palmerit Posted May 6 #1 Posted May 6 I've been following some of Olha Batchvarov's videos ()https://www.youtube.com/c/OlhaBatchvarov/videos. She's been doing a group build on the Midwest Models Lobster Smack for a while that should wrap up in a week or two - I had just completed the Model Shipways Lobster Smack and was not interested in building another one of those to follow along. Next weekend (Sat May 10), she is starting a new group build on the Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways. I wasn't sure if I wanted to follow along on this build since I had so many other models in my stash and that I was trying to work on, but I was able to get a copy of the Philadelphia for over 50% off the usual price and decided to jump on this group build. It's a different style of model from anything else I've built or have in my stash. And the instructions are also quite different from any model I've worked on so far. The instruction book is text heavy with almost no illustrations. Instead, there are lots of large paper plans that include build instructions as well as the usual kinds of things that are on plans. I'm going to try to follow along fairly closely to what Olha does and at the pace of her group build. She said she expects this group build to take at least 6-8 months. I'm sure I'll fall behind a few weeks from time to time because of travel, vacation, and work, but I don't plan to go ahead of her in the instructions. Ships in Scale apparently had a multi-part series on the Model Shipways Philadelphia back around 2014. I've been thinking about buying the back issues from the NRG web site: https://thenrgstore.org/collections/ships-in-scale Canute, Mr Whippy, JacquesCousteau and 1 other 4 Current Builds: Sherbourne 1763 (Vanguard Models), Ranger 1864 (Vanguard Models), San Francisco Bay Scow Schooner (Midwest Products), Gunboat Philadelphia (Model Shipways) In the Queue: Oseberg (Ships of Pavel Nikiten), Zulu 1900 (Vanguard Models), Endurance (Occre), Syren US Brig 1803 (Model Shipways), Duchess of Kingston (Vanguard Models) Completed Builds: Lowell Grand Banks Dory (Model Shipways), 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull Planking Kit (NRG), Norwegian Pram (Model Shipways), Endurance (Lego), Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack (Model Shipways), Grand Banks Dory (Midwest Products)
palmerit Posted May 10 Author #2 Posted May 10 I’m following along with Olha’s build. I’ll probably fall behind at some point but will try to catch up when I can. First step is locating and labeling the parts for the bulkheads and the keel. As I mentioned, this kit has large plan sheets, including one with a full map of the sheets. Will copy the part numbers to the sheets. I won’t write the numbers on the parts because this model will be stained. bdgiantman2, Canute and tmj 3 Current Builds: Sherbourne 1763 (Vanguard Models), Ranger 1864 (Vanguard Models), San Francisco Bay Scow Schooner (Midwest Products), Gunboat Philadelphia (Model Shipways) In the Queue: Oseberg (Ships of Pavel Nikiten), Zulu 1900 (Vanguard Models), Endurance (Occre), Syren US Brig 1803 (Model Shipways), Duchess of Kingston (Vanguard Models) Completed Builds: Lowell Grand Banks Dory (Model Shipways), 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull Planking Kit (NRG), Norwegian Pram (Model Shipways), Endurance (Lego), Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack (Model Shipways), Grand Banks Dory (Midwest Products)
palmerit Posted May 11 Author #3 Posted May 11 The instructions have you add the stem and stern post to the keel. All these pieces are thick and sturdy. The instructions then have you add additional pieces to the stem, but Olha pushed those steps to next week so I will to. The next step is to construct the bottom from three pieces (this boat is flat-bottomed), add the keel to the bottom, then add the bulkhead pieces to the keel. Knocklouder and Canute 2 Current Builds: Sherbourne 1763 (Vanguard Models), Ranger 1864 (Vanguard Models), San Francisco Bay Scow Schooner (Midwest Products), Gunboat Philadelphia (Model Shipways) In the Queue: Oseberg (Ships of Pavel Nikiten), Zulu 1900 (Vanguard Models), Endurance (Occre), Syren US Brig 1803 (Model Shipways), Duchess of Kingston (Vanguard Models) Completed Builds: Lowell Grand Banks Dory (Model Shipways), 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull Planking Kit (NRG), Norwegian Pram (Model Shipways), Endurance (Lego), Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack (Model Shipways), Grand Banks Dory (Midwest Products)
palmerit Posted May 11 Author #4 Posted May 11 Like Olha’s kit, my bottom pieces are cut wrong. One of the pieces is too short. Frustrating given that this kit has been out for quite a long time that this mistake hasn’t been fixed. I don’t understand what business model would keep Model Shipways from fixing (and avoiding) these kinds of mistakes, especially on what’s a fairly beginner model. Every model I’ve gotten from them has quality control problems. Thankfully they do have a great replacement policy, but I wish they tried a little harder to avoid problems in the first place. I’m going to build with the error (and not request a new part) so I can follow how Olha fixes her model. Canute 1 Current Builds: Sherbourne 1763 (Vanguard Models), Ranger 1864 (Vanguard Models), San Francisco Bay Scow Schooner (Midwest Products), Gunboat Philadelphia (Model Shipways) In the Queue: Oseberg (Ships of Pavel Nikiten), Zulu 1900 (Vanguard Models), Endurance (Occre), Syren US Brig 1803 (Model Shipways), Duchess of Kingston (Vanguard Models) Completed Builds: Lowell Grand Banks Dory (Model Shipways), 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull Planking Kit (NRG), Norwegian Pram (Model Shipways), Endurance (Lego), Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack (Model Shipways), Grand Banks Dory (Midwest Products)
tmj Posted May 11 #5 Posted May 11 It looks as though you are going to lose your centerline at the stern which is going to force you to reshape the bottom back there making it 'lopsided'. Have you taken measurements back there? I think I'd order a new bottom and save a lot of grief. palmerit, Canute and Mr Whippy 3 "The journey of a thousand miles is only the beginning of a thousand journeys!"
palmerit Posted May 11 Author #6 Posted May 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, tmj said: I think I'd order a new bottom and save a lot of grief. Good eye. If I was just building this on my own I’d have ordered a new piece. I’m treating this as a learning experience to learn from and replicate how Olha deals with this same grief. Edited May 11 by palmerit Canute and tmj 2 Current Builds: Sherbourne 1763 (Vanguard Models), Ranger 1864 (Vanguard Models), San Francisco Bay Scow Schooner (Midwest Products), Gunboat Philadelphia (Model Shipways) In the Queue: Oseberg (Ships of Pavel Nikiten), Zulu 1900 (Vanguard Models), Endurance (Occre), Syren US Brig 1803 (Model Shipways), Duchess of Kingston (Vanguard Models) Completed Builds: Lowell Grand Banks Dory (Model Shipways), 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull Planking Kit (NRG), Norwegian Pram (Model Shipways), Endurance (Lego), Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack (Model Shipways), Grand Banks Dory (Midwest Products)
palmerit Posted May 11 Author #7 Posted May 11 Adding the bulkhead pieces. I’m now caught up to where Olha is. Only took me 2x as long 😉 tmj, Paul Le Wol and Canute 3 Current Builds: Sherbourne 1763 (Vanguard Models), Ranger 1864 (Vanguard Models), San Francisco Bay Scow Schooner (Midwest Products), Gunboat Philadelphia (Model Shipways) In the Queue: Oseberg (Ships of Pavel Nikiten), Zulu 1900 (Vanguard Models), Endurance (Occre), Syren US Brig 1803 (Model Shipways), Duchess of Kingston (Vanguard Models) Completed Builds: Lowell Grand Banks Dory (Model Shipways), 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull Planking Kit (NRG), Norwegian Pram (Model Shipways), Endurance (Lego), Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack (Model Shipways), Grand Banks Dory (Midwest Products)
palmerit Posted May 11 Author #8 Posted May 11 If you haven’t done a model that requires faring the bulkheads, I recommend having the “printed” sides of the bulkheads pointed towards their respective ends of the ship (they can be put in either direction). These markings then show approximately (don’t take them as exact) how much of the bulkheads (at an angle) will need to be sanded off; a lot near the front and back, none at all (except to remove the char) in the middle. eatcrow2 and Canute 2 Current Builds: Sherbourne 1763 (Vanguard Models), Ranger 1864 (Vanguard Models), San Francisco Bay Scow Schooner (Midwest Products), Gunboat Philadelphia (Model Shipways) In the Queue: Oseberg (Ships of Pavel Nikiten), Zulu 1900 (Vanguard Models), Endurance (Occre), Syren US Brig 1803 (Model Shipways), Duchess of Kingston (Vanguard Models) Completed Builds: Lowell Grand Banks Dory (Model Shipways), 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull Planking Kit (NRG), Norwegian Pram (Model Shipways), Endurance (Lego), Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack (Model Shipways), Grand Banks Dory (Midwest Products)
palmerit Posted May 13 Author #9 Posted May 13 The Philadelphia is apparently undergoing preservation (it's closed to public since January): https://americanhistory.si.edu/explore/projects/gunboat-philadelphia Canute 1 Current Builds: Sherbourne 1763 (Vanguard Models), Ranger 1864 (Vanguard Models), San Francisco Bay Scow Schooner (Midwest Products), Gunboat Philadelphia (Model Shipways) In the Queue: Oseberg (Ships of Pavel Nikiten), Zulu 1900 (Vanguard Models), Endurance (Occre), Syren US Brig 1803 (Model Shipways), Duchess of Kingston (Vanguard Models) Completed Builds: Lowell Grand Banks Dory (Model Shipways), 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull Planking Kit (NRG), Norwegian Pram (Model Shipways), Endurance (Lego), Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack (Model Shipways), Grand Banks Dory (Midwest Products)
palmerit Posted June 7 Author #10 Posted June 7 (edited) I’m planning to use Olha’s approach to fixing the fact that one of the pieces of the bottom was misprinted at the wrong scale, leaving gaps. I realized that even though I can fix this problem, the other parts on that sheet are also going to be the wrong scale. So I ordered a free replacement from Model Expo / Model Shipways. While their QA isn’t the best, they do have a reasonable replacement policy. https://modelexpo-online.com/parts Edited June 7 by palmerit Canute and Scott Crouse 2 Current Builds: Sherbourne 1763 (Vanguard Models), Ranger 1864 (Vanguard Models), San Francisco Bay Scow Schooner (Midwest Products), Gunboat Philadelphia (Model Shipways) In the Queue: Oseberg (Ships of Pavel Nikiten), Zulu 1900 (Vanguard Models), Endurance (Occre), Syren US Brig 1803 (Model Shipways), Duchess of Kingston (Vanguard Models) Completed Builds: Lowell Grand Banks Dory (Model Shipways), 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull Planking Kit (NRG), Norwegian Pram (Model Shipways), Endurance (Lego), Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack (Model Shipways), Grand Banks Dory (Midwest Products)
palmerit Posted June 7 Author #11 Posted June 7 I cut out pieces by tracing out how much the part was too small compared to the correctly-sized piece on the other side (following what Olha did). I don’t think I would have thought to do it this way on my own. JacquesCousteau and Canute 2 Current Builds: Sherbourne 1763 (Vanguard Models), Ranger 1864 (Vanguard Models), San Francisco Bay Scow Schooner (Midwest Products), Gunboat Philadelphia (Model Shipways) In the Queue: Oseberg (Ships of Pavel Nikiten), Zulu 1900 (Vanguard Models), Endurance (Occre), Syren US Brig 1803 (Model Shipways), Duchess of Kingston (Vanguard Models) Completed Builds: Lowell Grand Banks Dory (Model Shipways), 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull Planking Kit (NRG), Norwegian Pram (Model Shipways), Endurance (Lego), Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack (Model Shipways), Grand Banks Dory (Midwest Products)
palmerit Posted 11 hours ago Author #12 Posted 11 hours ago I'm still traveling, in Scotland for another week, so no modeling for a while. I was reviewing some of Olha's videos I had missed and saw that she had gotten in touch with Chuck (https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com) and he agreed to make some large scale (9mm) blocks that are needed for the large scale Philadelphia. I ended up ordering the full set of supplemental blocks and such that Olha recommended from Syren, as well as other things from the parts list for the model (other blocks and rope, at least the closest size I could get): Black Rigging Hooks - 90 per package - assorted sizes 3mm, 4mm and 5mm: https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php#!/Black-Rigging-Hooks-90-per-package-assorted-sizes-3mm-4mm-and-5mm/p/558191743/category=5764789 9/16" long Belaying Pins (14.2 mm) 3/8 scale (25 per package) https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php#!/9-16-long-Belaying-Pins-14-2-mm-3-8-scale-25-per-package/p/749011820/category=5764703 3.5 mm Thimbles - Black (25 per package) https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php#!/3-5-mm-Thimbles-Black-25-per-package/p/759078783/category=5764703 11/32" (9 mm) Single Sheave Rigging Blocks - Color : Swiss Pear (15 per pack) https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php#!/11-32-9-mm-Single-Sheave-Rigging-Blocks-Color-Swiss-Pear-15-per-pack/p/759103780/category=5764703 11/32" (9 mm) Double Sheave Rigging Blocks - Color : Swiss Pear (12 per pack) https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php#!/11-32-9-mm-Double-Sheave-Rigging-Blocks-Color-Swiss-Pear-12-per-pack/p/759223890/category=5764703 3/16" (5 mm) Single Sheave Rigging Blocks - Color : Swiss Pear (25 per pack) https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php#!/3-16-5-mm-Single-Sheave-Rigging-Blocks-Color-Swiss-Pear-25-per-pack/p/692074694/category=5764703 9/32" (7 mm) Single Sheave Rigging Blocks - Color : Swiss Pear (15 per pack) https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php#!/9-32-7-mm-Single-Sheave-Rigging-Blocks-Color-Swiss-Pear-15-per-pack/p/763358585/category=5764703 .008 (.20mm) ULTRA TAN Scale Rope - 29' per package - Poly/Cotton Blend (I don't know if I might need this, but if not I can use it for another model) https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php#!/008-20mm-ULTRA-TAN-Scale-Rope-29-per-package-Poly-Cotton-Blend/p/44934212/category=0 .018 (.45mm) ULTRA TAN Scale Rope - 29' per package - Poly/Cotton blend https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php#!/018-45mm-ULTRA-TAN-Scale-Rope-29-per-package-Poly-Cotton-blend/p/44934215/category=0 .030 (.76mm) ULTRA TAN Scale Rope - 29' per package - Poly/Cotton blend https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php#!/030-76mm-ULTRA-TAN-Scale-Rope-29-per-package-Poly-Cotton-blend/p/419481238/category=0 .035 (.88mm) ULTRA TAN Scale Rope - 29' per package - Poly/Cotton blend https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php#!/035-88mm-ULTRA-TAN-Scale-Rope-29-per-package-Poly-Cotton-blend/p/44934218/category=0 .045 (1.14mm) ULTRA TAN Scale Rope - 29' per package -Poly/Cotton blend (the model calls for .040, so I bought both .035 and .045 to see which works) https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php#!/045-1-14mm-ULTRA-TAN-Scale-Rope-29-per-package-Poly-Cotton-blend/p/44934219/category=0 .055 (1.4mm) ULTRA TAN Scale Rope - 29' per package - Poly/cotton blend https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php#!/055-1-4mm-ULTRA-TAN-Scale-Rope-29-per-package-Poly-cotton-blend/p/45278535/category=0 .080 (2 mm) ULTRA TAN Scale Rope -14' per package - Poly/Cotton Blend https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php#!/080-2-mm-ULTRA-TAN-Scale-Rope-14-per-package-Poly-Cotton-Blend/p/84164586/category=0 7 mm Deadeyes - 3D Printed - Color: SWISS PEAR - 25 per package https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php#!/7-mm-Deadeyes-3D-Printed-Color-SWISS-PEAR-25-per-package/p/696810865/category=9242145 The total was a bit over $100 (shipping within the US). And I'll certainly have extras left over (both blocks and rope). Current Builds: Sherbourne 1763 (Vanguard Models), Ranger 1864 (Vanguard Models), San Francisco Bay Scow Schooner (Midwest Products), Gunboat Philadelphia (Model Shipways) In the Queue: Oseberg (Ships of Pavel Nikiten), Zulu 1900 (Vanguard Models), Endurance (Occre), Syren US Brig 1803 (Model Shipways), Duchess of Kingston (Vanguard Models) Completed Builds: Lowell Grand Banks Dory (Model Shipways), 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull Planking Kit (NRG), Norwegian Pram (Model Shipways), Endurance (Lego), Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack (Model Shipways), Grand Banks Dory (Midwest Products)
palmerit Posted 11 hours ago Author #13 Posted 11 hours ago (edited) I also decided that I'm going to plank the bottom of the boat. I had seen some other Philadelphia builds (both scratch and kit) that added planks on the bottom. The kit bottom was kind of unsightly to begin with - it had a jig saw puzzle look - and it was even worse with the mistake in the laser printing. I also ended up ordering a replacement sheet from Model Expo. While their QA isn't the greatest, at least they have a great parts replacement policy - I've probably ordered a replacement for 3/4 of the kits I've built from them. While I'm not going to take off the part I added (and glued) that was miscut, that misprinted sheet had other parts on it. What was sent - that should be to my house by now - should hopefully be printed to the right scale. Edited 11 hours ago by palmerit JacquesCousteau 1 Current Builds: Sherbourne 1763 (Vanguard Models), Ranger 1864 (Vanguard Models), San Francisco Bay Scow Schooner (Midwest Products), Gunboat Philadelphia (Model Shipways) In the Queue: Oseberg (Ships of Pavel Nikiten), Zulu 1900 (Vanguard Models), Endurance (Occre), Syren US Brig 1803 (Model Shipways), Duchess of Kingston (Vanguard Models) Completed Builds: Lowell Grand Banks Dory (Model Shipways), 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull Planking Kit (NRG), Norwegian Pram (Model Shipways), Endurance (Lego), Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack (Model Shipways), Grand Banks Dory (Midwest Products)
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