hornet Posted Tuesday at 07:41 AM #1 Posted Tuesday at 07:41 AM Has anyone else had trouble with the MDF frame and bulkheads in Vanguard Models? I have found they are very brittle and easily broken. I wish they were ply like many of the others I have built. Hornet Current Build: - HMS Adder - Vanguard Models. Completed Ship Builds: OcCre - Shackleton’s Endurance (in gallery) Caldercraft - HM Bark Endeavour (in gallery) Caldercraft - HMAV Bounty (in Gallery) Caldercraft - HM Brig Supply (In Gallery) Aeropiccola - Golden Hind - Constitution Clipper Seawitch (Scientific) Corel - Victory Modeller's Shipyard - A Schooner of Port Jackson - In Gallery - Brig `Perseverance' - In Gallery - Cutter `Mermaid'- In Gallery - Sirius Longboat (bashed) - In Gallery - Sloop Norfolk - In Gallery Completed Cannon: - French 18th Century Naval Cannon - Napoleonic 12 pound field piece - English 18th Century Carronade Non Ship Builds - Sopwith Camel - Artesania Latina - Fokker DR1 - Artesania Latina
chris watton Posted Tuesday at 09:00 AM #2 Posted Tuesday at 09:00 AM I did already email you with my answer, so here is a portion of that emial I have already sent you you: I have used MDF for the past 18 years, starting at Amati - I am very surprised you did not know this! As I have explained countless time now, for some of the more complex designs, ply was no good, why? Because the tolorances on the thicknesses are comical, they can be anything between 2.7-3.4mm for a 3mm thick sheet. This is OK with very simple kits (just a simple keel and a few bulkheads), but not when so many parts need to slot and interlock well - using ply would be a disaster, as batches can vary a lot in thickness. Also to add, when sanding the bulkheads, it is much easier as the material is all the same. scrubbyj427, Ryland Craze, BenD and 4 others 7 Vanguard Models on Facebook
hornet Posted Tuesday at 09:46 AM Author #3 Posted Tuesday at 09:46 AM Hi Chris. Yes, I got your message. However, I was interested to know if other modellers were having the same problems or if it was just me being a klutz. Hornet Current Build: - HMS Adder - Vanguard Models. Completed Ship Builds: OcCre - Shackleton’s Endurance (in gallery) Caldercraft - HM Bark Endeavour (in gallery) Caldercraft - HMAV Bounty (in Gallery) Caldercraft - HM Brig Supply (In Gallery) Aeropiccola - Golden Hind - Constitution Clipper Seawitch (Scientific) Corel - Victory Modeller's Shipyard - A Schooner of Port Jackson - In Gallery - Brig `Perseverance' - In Gallery - Cutter `Mermaid'- In Gallery - Sirius Longboat (bashed) - In Gallery - Sloop Norfolk - In Gallery Completed Cannon: - French 18th Century Naval Cannon - Napoleonic 12 pound field piece - English 18th Century Carronade Non Ship Builds - Sopwith Camel - Artesania Latina - Fokker DR1 - Artesania Latina
Ronald-V Posted Tuesday at 10:28 AM #4 Posted Tuesday at 10:28 AM Personally don't have problems with it. Did have ply with my HMS Pickle build, and now MDF with the Sphinx i'm building. The MDF is very easy to work with regarding sanding. For the very fine pieces, use very fine tools with little pressure. I can not much more say about it. Richard44, AJohnson, hornet and 3 others 6 Currently working on the HMS Sphinx from Vanguard Models
James H Posted Tuesday at 11:37 AM #5 Posted Tuesday at 11:37 AM Nope. Not one single issue out of more than a dozen I’ve built. AJohnson, Richard44, JpR62 and 2 others 5 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: 'Oseberg' Viking Ship (V3) - Pavel Nikitin - 1:25 On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
glbarlow Posted Tuesday at 02:43 PM #6 Posted Tuesday at 02:43 PM Never had a problem. It’s much easier to work with than the old fashion easily splintered ply material. So I’m thinking you’re a klutz:-) There are many posts on this topicin years past, mostly it seemed to me people resisting change had a bigger problem than anything related to the material. Some cheaper models may use a lower grade quality of MDF, that’s certainly not the case with any Vanguard model. More significantly the is no way Chris could create his modern interlocking designs with ply, there would be shattering and splinters everywhere. Richard44, Bob53, James H and 6 others 9 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Medway Long Boat Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose, Royal Barge
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