drtrap Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share #571 Posted October 28, 2014 Started to spend my week-end time to other sections... Using 0,5 copper wire have shaped the strops for the top deadeyes as the kit ones are quite shorter than the width of the top.... The day after I plan to chemically black-oxidize them and close the gaps with cyano glue or solder iron technique. Good night... egkb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share #572 Posted October 28, 2014 The stropped deadeys and the basic instrumentation... mort stoll, Aussie048, Beef Wellington and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted October 28, 2014 Share #573 Posted October 28, 2014 Hey There Stergios.. I never thought of using regular copper for that job !! just check that your soldering material will actually 'blacken' when you chemically treat it, some does and some doesn't if I remember correctly. I'll be doing something similar shortly myself, even ordered a more robust (hopefully) gas fueled soldering iron today as my 'cheap' electrical one broke during silver soldering some HiFi connections . Eamonn Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share #574 Posted October 28, 2014 ...... I'll be doing something similar shortly myself, even ordered a more robust (hopefully) gas fueled soldering iron today ....... Eamonn Hi Eamonn I'm very interested to hear your feed back for that device, asap. Cheers. egkb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted October 28, 2014 Share #575 Posted October 28, 2014 Should have it tomorrow as it is next day delivery ! fingers crossed E drtrap 1 Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share #576 Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) Hey There Stergios.. I never thought of using regular copper for that job !! just check that your soldering material will actually 'blacken' when you chemically treat it, some does and some doesn't if I remember correctly. ....... Eamonn Well, chemical blackening material works fine on copper stropped deadeyes. I don't know why, but i can't treat re-inserting to the chemical a couple of them after the soldering procedure. Perhaps that procedure somehow decreases the blackening purposes of the material? Edited October 31, 2014 by Stergios egkb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksei Domanov Posted October 31, 2014 Share #577 Posted October 31, 2014 Well chemical blackening material works fine on copper stropped deadeyes. I don't know why, but i can't treat re-inserting to the chemical a couple of them after the soldering procedure. Perhaps that procedure somehow decreases the blackening purposes of the material? solder is different material so needs different chemicals for blackening egkb 1 Quote Current: HMS Vanguard, Axel Thorsen (frozen) Completed: HMS Bounty, San Juan Nepomuceno ShipWorkshop.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share #578 Posted October 31, 2014 Second team of deadeyes for the other top are ready... To close or not close the mini gaps (using cyano or epoxy glue) as I'm not sure about the upper shroud tensions...?? egkb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share #579 Posted October 31, 2014 solder is different material so needs different chemicals for blackening Hi, I posted my comment for the same (copper wire) material of the stropped deadeys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksei Domanov Posted October 31, 2014 Share #580 Posted October 31, 2014 sorry, misunderstood you :-) what the chemical do you use for copper? Quote Current: HMS Vanguard, Axel Thorsen (frozen) Completed: HMS Bounty, San Juan Nepomuceno ShipWorkshop.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share #581 Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) sorry, misunderstood you :-) what the chemical do you use for copper? No problem. It's a type of blackening material for guns. It works most of the time but trying to re-plug the deadeyes for a final blackening touch up after the soldering, the result was negative Edited October 31, 2014 by Stergios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksei Domanov Posted October 31, 2014 Share #582 Posted October 31, 2014 may be you need to degrease it again? Quote Current: HMS Vanguard, Axel Thorsen (frozen) Completed: HMS Bounty, San Juan Nepomuceno ShipWorkshop.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share #583 Posted October 31, 2014 Mmmm for the mo I'm thinking to use a black water-proof roller for the coverage of some coppered spots. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share #584 Posted October 31, 2014 I have tried to chemically turn black the second part of the coppered deadeyes (for the other top) the same way, using the same materials, but with no result like the 1st time/part !!! Is it something changed regarding the terms and rules in physics and chemistry between hours? Anyway, I made another part of stropped 3,5 mm deadeyes using regular type of wire, closed the gaps using iron soldering and turned them black (with success this time). Pics to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share #585 Posted October 31, 2014 At this time I'd like to ask for your estimation or experience regarding the tension of the upper shrouds... Do you believe that is needed any alternative bonding material stronger than the cyano glue for the closure of the loop of the stropped deadeyes (except the iron soldering I've applied in advance)? A small quantity of cyano glues covers the proximal part of the wire loop.... Thanks Aussie048 and egkb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share #586 Posted October 31, 2014 Jason posted a comment about hypo gs cement a couple days before... The bonding strength of that glue is between the carpenter's and cyano glue or stronger? Thanks. Stergios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share #587 Posted November 6, 2014 Serving machine arrived at home. I plan to see the "attached" cd/dvd before I place my 1st question: what's the most simple thing to serve just for initial experience.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksei Domanov Posted November 6, 2014 Share #588 Posted November 6, 2014 Serving machine arrived at home. I plan to see the "attached" cd/dvd before I place my 1st question: what's the most simple thing to serve just for initial experience.....? any thick by any thin :-) Quote Current: HMS Vanguard, Axel Thorsen (frozen) Completed: HMS Bounty, San Juan Nepomuceno ShipWorkshop.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costas Posted November 6, 2014 Share #589 Posted November 6, 2014 gia sou Stergie. Molis tora ida to log sou. Teliose telika to montello i akoma to doulevis? Constantinos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share #590 Posted November 6, 2014 gia sou Stergie. Molis tora ida to log sou. Teliose telika to montello i akoma to doulevis? Constantinos Akomi Constantine... Ta leme! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share #591 Posted November 6, 2014 any thick by any thin :-) Could you please provide any additional info on "how to secure the serving line (through the rope ??) in the beggining and the end of the serving? Thanks. Stergios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksei Domanov Posted November 6, 2014 Share #592 Posted November 6, 2014 several ways, for example, put it through using needle. Quote Current: HMS Vanguard, Axel Thorsen (frozen) Completed: HMS Bounty, San Juan Nepomuceno ShipWorkshop.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share #593 Posted November 6, 2014 several ways, for example, put it through using needle. ...and following that, do you use any kind of glue for additional security? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksei Domanov Posted November 6, 2014 Share #594 Posted November 6, 2014 no , I do not use glue. 1. make a knot 2. start to serve over this end let me know if you need pic, photo or vid of this. drtrap and mort stoll 2 Quote Current: HMS Vanguard, Axel Thorsen (frozen) Completed: HMS Bounty, San Juan Nepomuceno ShipWorkshop.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share #595 Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) ...... let me know if you need pic, photo or vid of this. Yes please, as a rookie about serving etc, I would be grateful.... Edited November 6, 2014 by Stergios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted November 6, 2014 Share #596 Posted November 6, 2014 Stergios, my only advice would be (and you know I'm not an expert) to expect to make mistakes, but know you'll get a great result in the end. It does require more thought/planning to make sure that you are serving the right length and its a good idea to mock up a piece to get the right dimensions. Serving takes a little getting used to, but like riding a bike, the technique is easy once you figure it out. You can only learn by doing (and if you're me, messing up a few times and learning from mistakes)! Best of luck, look forward to seeing how it works out. mort stoll and egkb 2 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share #597 Posted November 6, 2014 Stergios, my only advice would be (and you know I'm not an expert) to expect to make mistakes, but know you'll get a great result in the end. It does require more thought/planning to make sure that you are serving the right length and its a good idea to mock up a piece to get the right dimensions. Serving takes a little getting used to, but like riding a bike, the technique is easy once you figure it out. You can only learn by doing (and if you're me, messing up a few times and learning from mistakes)! Best of luck, look forward to seeing how it works out. Thanks for the support and the kind words Jason. I surely know that it takes time and many efforts to improve myshelf. All I want is to know in advance the very basic before start, as for example to know how to secure both ends of the serving line to the main rope... Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted November 6, 2014 Share #598 Posted November 6, 2014 Stergios I am newish to serving but have found doing the foremost shrouds on Diana fairly easy to do, I start with just an overhand knot and a dab of super glue and after a few turns say 5mm in length roll it in my fingers, and finish the same way, if you need to stop hang a clip/clamp on the thread and try to keep the thread being served fairly taught, this might not be textbook but it works for me. Good luck drtrap 1 Quote Ray Current build A set of HMS Diana`s boats @ 1/48 HMS Royal Marine a Military class Trawler Completed HMS Diana Completed build The Lady Nelson Completed Build HMS Pegasus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share #599 Posted November 6, 2014 Stergios I am newish to serving but have found doing the foremost shrouds on Diana fairly easy to do, I start with just an overhand knot and a dab of super glue and after a few turns say 5mm in length roll it in my fingers, and finish the same way, if you need to stop hang a clip/clamp on the thread and try to keep the thread being served fairly taught, this might not be textbook but it works for me. Good luck Hey Ray that's a very helpfull info-point for starting!! Keep in touch! Thank you. Stergios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksei Domanov Posted November 7, 2014 Share #600 Posted November 7, 2014 Yes please, as a rookie about serving etc, I would be grateful.... Put through and make knot Put through and serve over. To fix last bight- make overlapping like knot. GuntherMT and Aussie048 2 Quote Current: HMS Vanguard, Axel Thorsen (frozen) Completed: HMS Bounty, San Juan Nepomuceno ShipWorkshop.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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