drtrap Posted May 2, 2015 Author Share #721 Posted May 2, 2015 Dimitris71, jwvolz, mort stoll and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted May 2, 2015 Author Share #722 Posted May 2, 2015 My latest concern (still for the futtock stave placement): 1) the way to attach the futtock stave on the shrouds. I'd like to perform a kind of rigging (using clove hitch knots ??) for a better stabilization of the staves... 2) the right "height" of futtock staves placement. Following strictly the height/distance from the plans, in my case the runway of the futtock shrouds seems to be in a more perpendicular way, so I can't simulate the sharp angle "a" of the plans. Do you suggest to place the staves two ratline steps higher? Cheers. Stergios jwvolz, Dimitris71 and Timmo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted May 2, 2015 Share #723 Posted May 2, 2015 Stergios, I think you want to have the futtock stave at approximately the same height as the yard (one purpose was to help keep the shrouds from interfering with the yards together with the catharpins). I followed the diagrams in 'rigging period ship models' rather than the plans to get it to 'look right. You want to avoid having them too low. drtrap 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwvolz Posted May 2, 2015 Share #724 Posted May 2, 2015 Stergios, The futtock stave should be the same distance below the top as the mast cap is above the top. I normally tack the stave to the shrouds with dots of super glue, then properly hitch them. They don't move around that way. Looking good. Dimitris71 and drtrap 2 Quote Joe Volz Current build: Model Shipways "Benjamin W. Latham" Completed builds on MSW: Caldercraft HMS "Cruizer" Caldercraft HMBV "Granado" Model Shipways "Prince De Neufchatel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted May 3, 2015 Author Share #725 Posted May 3, 2015 Jason, Joe, thank you for your time and assistance. I'll try to "translate" your suggestions in practise, very soon. Stergios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latestarter Posted May 7, 2015 Share #726 Posted May 7, 2015 I struggle with the deadeyes of all things. What diameter are the deadeyes on Snake please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort stoll Posted May 8, 2015 Share #727 Posted May 8, 2015 I believe they are 3 and 5mm Mort latestarter 1 Quote Current Build - Caldercraft Victory Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William Waiting to be Launched - Bluejacket Constitution Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted May 9, 2015 Author Share #728 Posted May 9, 2015 I struggle with the deadeyes of all things. What diameter are the deadeyes on Snake please? The deadeyes are 3,5 and 5 mm. Thanks latestarter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share #729 Posted May 17, 2015 Stergios, The futtock stave should be the same distance below the top as the mast cap is above the top. I normally tack the stave to the shrouds with dots of super glue, then properly hitch them. They don't move around that way. Looking good. Hi Joe the way of "hitching" is the hot stuff, I think. Any drawing or pic to help? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share #730 Posted May 22, 2015 Lower masts ratlines finished. A minor touch up is needed. Thank you egkb, Dimitris71 and Beef Wellington 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted May 24, 2015 Author Share #731 Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) Hello everybody, this is my personal point of view and the consecutive steps for the futtock staves placement. Cheers Stergios Edited May 24, 2015 by Stergios egkb, Beef Wellington, realworkingsailor and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted May 24, 2015 Share #732 Posted May 24, 2015 Well, I think that looks great Stergios. Glad you got it sorted. Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted May 25, 2015 Author Share #733 Posted May 25, 2015 Well, I think that looks great Stergios. Glad you got it sorted. Thank you Jason. Futtock stave was a great challenge to me some time ago... I decided to follow Andy's excellent work on it and now everything it's fine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share #734 Posted June 7, 2015 Hi guys, a couple o pics just to say "hello" and show you my progress placing the catharpins of the lower main mast Thanks egkb and mort stoll 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share #735 Posted June 7, 2015 ... and now, let me present you my personal modification for the fore lower mast catharpins... in photo steps.... How you see, I've used the serving machine to prepare catharpins of equal length, I'm not so happy with the non-served eyes, but their fitting is'nt so visually detected especially after the placement of the futtock shrouds... mort stoll and egkb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share #736 Posted June 7, 2015 For the futtock staves of the mizzen mast I used 1mm brass wire non-served but chemiqually quick blackned Beef Wellington and egkb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted July 15, 2015 Share #737 Posted July 15, 2015 Hi Stergios, I'm sure you have a lot of distractions, hope you're doing OK and able to find time to continue building your Snake. Best wishes. mort stoll and drtrap 2 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted July 20, 2015 Author Share #738 Posted July 20, 2015 Hi Stergios, I'm sure you have a lot of distractions, hope you're doing OK and able to find time to continue building your Snake. Best wishes. Hi Jason and thank you. Everything seems better now but with a huge ammount of tax compansative measures. We'll see... Cheers Mort! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted July 20, 2015 Author Share #739 Posted July 20, 2015 A snapshot in brief from my recent activity... The inwards inclination angles of the futtock shrouds are'nt the same comparing the fore and main mast... Hope to avoid next steps complications.... mort stoll, Beef Wellington and egkb 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted July 20, 2015 Share #740 Posted July 20, 2015 Hard to tell from the photo, but the foremast futtock stave looks to be the one that is a little high based on where the cheeks are, although it should only be a visual thing. From pictures I've studies, the futtock stave is at a very similar level to the yard when in position, as the catharpins helped keep the shrouds from interfering with a yard braced round. If the yard does not interfere with the shroud then I think you should be OK... Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share #741 Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) Hard to tell from the photo, but the foremast futtock stave looks to be the one that is a little high based on where the cheeks are, although it should only be a visual thing. From pictures I've studies, the futtock stave is at a very similar level to the yard when in position, as the catharpins helped keep the shrouds from interfering with a yard braced round. If the yard does not interfere with the shroud then I think you should be OK... I'll try to apply a custom made solution.... I hope... Edited July 24, 2015 by Stergios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted July 24, 2015 Author Share #742 Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Hard to tell from the photo, but the foremast futtock stave looks to be the one that is a little high based on where the cheeks are, although it should only be a visual thing. From pictures I've studies, the futtock stave is at a very similar level to the yard when in position, as the catharpins helped keep the shrouds from interfering with a yard braced round. If the yard does not interfere with the shroud then I think you should be OK... You're right Jason, here are the relative futtock stave to cheeks heights... Do you consired that as a huge penalty or I can live with it? Should I stop and re-align the futtocks stave? Edited July 24, 2015 by Stergios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted July 24, 2015 Author Share #743 Posted July 24, 2015 I'm waiting to see your suggestions my friends. It's very hard (how you know) to dettach all those components for create the futtock stave at the very next [lower] rope-step.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted July 24, 2015 Share #744 Posted July 24, 2015 Do you consired that as a huge penalty or I can live with it? Should I stop and re-align the futtocks stave? I think only you can answer that Stergios Don't think you will encounter a specific issue other than visual appearance. Maybe try to put the yard in place to see what it looks like and whether you are comfortable. Last night I fixed a couple of ratlines which was very challenging given other rigging now in place, but it could be done, its just down to your own appetite. egkb 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted July 24, 2015 Author Share #745 Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) I think only you can answer that Stergios Don't think you will encounter a specific issue other than visual appearance. Maybe try to put the yard in place to see what it looks like and whether you are comfortable. Last night I fixed a couple of ratlines which was very challenging given other rigging now in place, but it could be done, its just down to your own appetite.Jason I think that you can answer that better cause you're so many steps ahead and - this way - you know better.As you know I can't follow only the plans and I'm not so sure about the way and the height the yard will be fixed, so your experience on her is my only compass to proceed.... I'm trying to see in the meantime Jim's "yard section"... Edited July 25, 2015 by Stergios egkb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted July 24, 2015 Share #746 Posted July 24, 2015 If you keep it as it is you shouldn't encounter any problems in future stages of rigging... ...but, personally, I would move the the futtock stave to keep everything looking consistent. I feel that I've spent so much time and effort on my model already that I know that I would be very unsatisfied at the end if I let something go that I know I could have fixed. But that's me... drtrap, mtaylor, mort stoll and 1 other 4 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share #747 Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) If you keep it as it is you shouldn't encounter any problems in future stages of rigging... ...but, personally, I would move the the futtock stave to keep everything looking consistent. I feel that I've spent so much time and effort on my model already that I know that I would be very unsatisfied at the end if I let something go that I know I could have fixed. But that's me... The revision has begun.... Edited August 23, 2015 by Stergios egkb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share #748 Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Well, how I told you, it was so difficult to resist.... That's the new position of the futtock stave Thank you. Edited July 27, 2015 by Stergios Beef Wellington, egkb and mort stoll 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share #749 Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Hi my friends, I'm still here... After a long lasting summer period and despite the fact that I dont feel so motivated to continue right now, I'm posting some pics from my latest work. Edited September 27, 2015 by Stergios GuntherMT, Dimitris71 and egkb 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share #750 Posted September 27, 2015 Now both futtock staves are at the indicated places and the difference is obvious, I think GuntherMT, egkb, Beef Wellington and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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