Best way To install gudgeons and pintles and the rudder?

[jdiven]

I am at the stage of installing the rudder.  Ship is the Lively from the Lumberyard.  The fittings are very flexible and I am not sure what is the best way to proceed.  Do you install gudgeon first, then mach up the rudder or do you glue both together and attach?  Also, what is the best adhesive? Epoxy, CA, etc.

The fittings are blackened and the hull is painted and poly varnished.

[JPett]

Ahoy JD 

 

Jack Tar has a great trick here 

 

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/1579-bluenose-by-jack-tar-model-shipways-scale-1100/?p=66207

Edited August 29, 2014 by JPett

[allanyed]

J

If you want the rudder to be able to move, you will need to make working "hinges"  The rudder can be completed first then the hull straps with the gudgeons temporarily  tacked to the pintles on the rudder and then held to the hull to mark hull strap locations.   I would not use glue as you will be gluing to the varnish, not the wood.  Or, scrape off the paint and varnish to expose the wood.   I  prefer to "bolt" the straps with tiny brads.

 

Allan

[NenadM]

Hmmm ...  I am on that stage too, and banging my head a bit ... I also prefer "bolting" but hinges have to be 1,5-2mm wide only in scale ... working under magnifier ... soldering under magnifier ... wish me luck as I am something like beginner  

[allanyed]

Nenad,

 I have the magnifier on more than off these days.    Silver soldering and drilling and  bolting 2 mm is not bad so bad.  1mm, now that is getting more difficult!  You can make bolts with 0.010 brass wire which is 1/2" at 1:48.  Even with 1mm, there is plenty of room for this size "bolt".

 

Allan

[NenadM]

Just today I make tests with 2mm wide piece and hole of 1mm.

 

 

My "mentor" ( R.Vlahovic World champ in modeling 2014 in Bulgaria) poke me on my ribs and  forced me to make them as on drawings (1,5 mm wide with holes of 0,5 mm) ...

[jdiven]

Thanks all for the solid advice.  I am going to do the brads/brass nails with some adhesive.  I was going to just put them in shallow holes for effect, but now will use them in their structural intentions.  The wire idea is good also, but will try this way first

 

JD

[jdiven]

Just a quick update to the original question for those weighing the different option.  I drilled "bolt" hole on the straps and tacked the gudgeons first to the roughened hull with the gel CA.  I then drilled shallow holes and inserted cut down brass spikes also with CA..  I fit the middle set first, both gudgeon and pintel, then the rest.  The only thing I would do on my next build would be to drill and fit them before blackening the metal.  I had many smudges which forced repainting, but not too bad.  Hope this helps.

[mij]

This the way I made my hinges on my Xebec.

 

I cut a piece of tube to length.

 

 

I used soft solder to solder the tube to the strap.

 

 

One hinge ready for the fixing holes