Beef Wellington Posted October 13, 2014 Share #541 Posted October 13, 2014 Thats exactly how I'm planning to handle it Stergios drtrap 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort stoll Posted October 14, 2014 Share #542 Posted October 14, 2014 Yes I did. Mort Quote Current Build - Caldercraft Victory Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William Waiting to be Launched - Bluejacket Constitution Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 18, 2014 Author Share #543 Posted October 18, 2014 Jason, Mort thank you again for your assistance... That is really what I wanted to do.... Aussie048 and mort stoll 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 19, 2014 Author Share #544 Posted October 19, 2014 Jigs for the 5mm and 3,5mm deadeyes laynards are ready GuntherMT, mort stoll, Aussie048 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 19, 2014 Author Share #545 Posted October 19, 2014 I try to finish all the peripheral fittings before the final rigging-battle of the masts and their components GuntherMT, Aussie048, egkb and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 25, 2014 Author Share #546 Posted October 25, 2014 A lot of questions...about the shrouds and the mizzen mast... Should I start making loops in the middle of each line and creating that way a double line running towards a respective pair of deadeyes? At what distance from the mast should I make the seizing of each pair of line? Thank you all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share #547 Posted October 26, 2014 Trying to fit the burton pendants... I used black line 1mm from the kit and passed it three times on natural wax.... The wax's debris are inevitable (?) especially on the black rope... Last pic after the debridement and a light black paint... jim_smits, egkb and Aussie048 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share #548 Posted October 26, 2014 Some times I think to buy a serving tool but every time I change my thoughts.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted October 26, 2014 Share #549 Posted October 26, 2014 Hi Stergios, regards the residue of wax, some people run the waxed line quickly through a candle flame to melt the wax into it.. you may want to experiment a little first though Also have you thought about building your own Serving Machine (I did just that, you'll find some photos early in my Ballahoo log ) it cost me around € 10 at most if I remember correctly . Cracking good build you have here by the way, Snake is a beauty. All The Best Eamonn drtrap 1 Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share #550 Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) Hi Stergios, regards the residue of wax, some people run the waxed line quickly through a candle flame to melt the wax into it.. you may want to experiment a little first though Also have you thought about building your own Serving Machine (I did just that, you'll find some photos early in my Ballahoo log ) it cost me around € 10 at most if I remember correctly . Cracking good build you have here by the way, Snake is a beauty. All The Best Eamonn Cheers Eamonn I'll try to melt the debris the way you mentioned, thank you! About the serving tool.... is not a matter of money, is a matter of time! I believe that thte remaining time to finish "Snake" will be seriously increased with serving, that's why I continue to resist and try to do my best to accomplish the rigging section without any serving machine... Thanks again... Stergios Edited October 26, 2014 by Stergios egkb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted October 26, 2014 Share #551 Posted October 26, 2014 Yea, serving all your lines would be a serious Time Increaser !! E drtrap 1 Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_smits Posted October 26, 2014 Share #552 Posted October 26, 2014 The build is really coming together Stergios. I would recommend serving as it looks excellent and is well worth the time. I wish I had served all my shrouds on my Snake. egkb 1 Quote Jim-----Current builds:HMS SnakeHMS HoodMechanical Solar SystemCompleted builds:HMS Ballahoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share #553 Posted October 26, 2014 The build is really coming together Stergios. I would recommend serving as it looks excellent and is well worth the time. I wish I had served all my shrouds on my Snake. Jim, I have no experience with serving.... Is there any help or manual about the basic steps? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share #554 Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) The build is really coming together Stergios. I would recommend serving as it looks excellent and is well worth the time. I wish I had served all my shrouds on my Snake. Another question: are any instructional tutorial/videos on what a serving machine can "perform"? Thanks again Edited October 26, 2014 by Stergios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted October 26, 2014 Share #555 Posted October 26, 2014 Stergios - I'd add my voice to the 'support for serving' club. In my view, it makes a big difference in the look of the rigging. The principle of serving is very simple, theres no manual, but I've seen people sharing individual ideas and I've tried to do that as I goalong, a lot of it comes down to what you find works for you. It does take more time, but I decided to commit as I would not have been happy with the non-served rigging and am glad I did. I use Alexey Domanoff's excellent machine as seen here on MSW and have been happy along with many others, he does provide a guide on his website to the basic techniques. Let us know what you decide! drtrap, jim_smits, mort stoll and 1 other 4 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share #556 Posted October 26, 2014 Thank you all of you guys, I really do appreciate your comments and encouragement.... Still in debate, but I'll see what I can do! egkb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share #557 Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) I've sent a querying application to Alexey..... Edited October 26, 2014 by Stergios Beef Wellington 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share #558 Posted October 27, 2014 Hello again mates. About that additional power option of the serving machine.... Do you consider it as an important feature except the basic 2.0 edition of the serving machine? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted October 27, 2014 Share #559 Posted October 27, 2014 It would allow you to use both hands.. my home made version has to be manually turned so I can only use one hand to do the serving etc.. but this allows me considerable control as I can very easily go backwards slightly ! it just takes a little more time for long servings (admittedly that's why mine is 'geared' the way it is with 2 different sized cogs per side) If it isn't overly expensive why not get it.. I'm sure it (the Motor) can be removed to revert to manual turning for more intricate work. Eamonn drtrap and Beef Wellington 2 Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share #560 Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) It would allow you to use both hands.. my home made version has to be manually turned so I can only use one hand to do the serving etc.. but this allows me considerable control as I can very easily go backwards slightly ! it just takes a little more time for long servings (admittedly that's why mine is 'geared' the way it is with 2 different sized cogs per side) If it isn't overly expensive why not get it.. I'm sure it (the Motor) can be removed to revert to manual turning for more intricate work. Eamonn I agree Eamonn, I'll send a query to be sure that I can remove the motor to turn the procedure to a manual function.... Cheers Edited October 27, 2014 by Stergios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share #561 Posted October 27, 2014 Ok folks, that it was, I've placed my order. Next days I'll be waiting to receive the serving device. With your experienced skills and help I'm sure that I'll do my better, best. Stergios egkb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share #562 Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) In the meantime, I just wonder: do I need any special rope material for the serving except those of the kit? Especially for the line that is encircling each mainrope, what kind of material and size is needed? Thank you all, one more time. Stergios Edited October 27, 2014 by Stergios Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted October 27, 2014 Share #563 Posted October 27, 2014 Regular sewing thread can work just fine. I went to a local store a just bought a bunch of different types (its very cheap), but I ended up using a 65% polyester 'glace finish' which seemed nice and smooth without any fuzz. I'd also recommend you buy some GS-Hypo glue, it works really well with rigging. Dries clear and slightly flexible, works well on false splices. drtrap 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_smits Posted October 27, 2014 Share #564 Posted October 27, 2014 I've purchased Gutermann thread from eBay. You can get all you'll ever need for a few euros. I've purchased Black and Tan for various requirements. In addition to use on serving machine I use it for splices, and simulating seizing as described in the carronades section oft Ballahoo build. drtrap 1 Quote Jim-----Current builds:HMS SnakeHMS HoodMechanical Solar SystemCompleted builds:HMS Ballahoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share #565 Posted October 27, 2014 Regular sewing thread can work just fine. I went to a local store a just bought a bunch of different types (its very cheap), but I ended up using a 65% polyester 'glace finish' which seemed nice and smooth without any fuzz. I'd also recommend you buy some GS-Hypo glue, it works really well with rigging. Dries clear and slightly flexible, works well on false splices. Jason do you mean hypo gs cement? I can;t locate something like hypo gs glue, even I use my net browser... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtrap Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share #566 Posted October 27, 2014 And what about the size, I mean the diameter of the encircling line? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted October 27, 2014 Share #567 Posted October 27, 2014 Look here... http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=gs+hypo+cement&tag=mh0b-20&index=aps&hvadid=3527183049&ref=pd_sl_4rs1uh0435_e drtrap 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksei Domanov Posted October 27, 2014 Share #568 Posted October 27, 2014 I use gutermann scala360, scala 240, scala200 – two-threaded. I wind two threads in one rope. And resulting rope is used to serve. 2-threaded serve is textured and looks excellent. drtrap, Aussie048, GuntherMT and 6 others 9 Quote Current: HMS Vanguard, Axel Thorsen (frozen) Completed: HMS Bounty, San Juan Nepomuceno ShipWorkshop.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksei Domanov Posted October 27, 2014 Share #569 Posted October 27, 2014 Look here... http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=gs+hypo+cement&tag=mh0b-20&index=aps&hvadid=3527183049&ref=pd_sl_4rs1uh0435_e I used it on San Juan - outstanding results.... top marks Quote Current: HMS Vanguard, Axel Thorsen (frozen) Completed: HMS Bounty, San Juan Nepomuceno ShipWorkshop.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort stoll Posted October 28, 2014 Share #570 Posted October 28, 2014 I used basically the same thread as Jason and I used Elmer's School Glue. Worked out very well. Mort drtrap 1 Quote Current Build - Caldercraft Victory Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William Waiting to be Launched - Bluejacket Constitution Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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