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Hi All, Small update: Fine adjustments, (Many) on Hull structure Placed Planking Strakes along Hull to gauge Bulkhead positioning Fixed structure with rubber bands an cable tied lengthwise "Beam" Aliphatic Resin bead on all joints False Decks are not glued as yet, there are a couple of fine adjustments required on the Main Mast Housing. (Photo) I will leave everything to cure for a good few hours. Cheers....HOF. Photos:

Hi Alan, Many thanks for that. Gives me some good ideas to ponder. Looks like a "Four Butt" Shift? Cheers and Regards, Harry.

Hi All, I have been through a number of my publications regarding Deck Planking, "Shift of Butts" for American built Clippers but have not found anything definitive. Would someone here have some idea of the above? Iam currently working on a Mamoli - 1/96 Flying Cloud Decking material - Tanganika - 0.5 X 3.0mm Many thanks in advance. Cheers and Regards, Harry.

Gentlemen, Thank your your "Likes" and comments, very much appreciated. I am very much looking forward to Planking.... Firstly, I need to glue Keel/Bulkhead/Etc. together but not the False Decks at this stage., I'll utilize these to hold everything in line. I have bisected all False Decks in preparation for the "King" Plank. Since the Decks are supposed to be Planked "Post" Hull/Bulwarks are completed. (Parity due to Bulkhead extensions.) Anyway, I really need to utilize a Steel Rule to get the "King Plank aligned correctly, esp. Main Deck. On the subject of Deck Planking for this ship, can someone, @rwiederrich (Rob?), please give me some ideas about a Deck Planking "Butt Shift? I was contemplating a four Butt Shift, 5/2/4/3/1 similar to Cutty Sark. (Deck Planking: 0.5mm X 3.0mm Tanganika) Yup, I hear your concerns with the positioning of the bulkhead/Keel relationship. I have those concerns also but I think things are not too bad here, I have placed "Strakes" along the Hull esp. at the turn of the Bilges, there do not appear to be any sags or bulges. Also, I think that the sheer of the Deck is good with respect to the Sheer Plan view. (I intend to "Triple" check things before splashing any glue around.... 🙂) Today, I turned my attention back to the Mast Housings/Steps. One problem that was evident that the "Dummy Masts" were very difficult to locate in the Housing holes that I drilled out yesterday, Esp. the Main as the Mast penetrates below the Deck by only 8.0mm, Fore Mast was a little easier to insert at a depth of 13.0mm and the Mizzen, no real problem at 24.0mm So, I adjusted things, I inserted a 9.0mm Brass sleeve to house the For and Main Mast Bases the 13.0mm and 8.0mm respectively, the Mizzen was given a small 7.0mm Sleeve, 4.0mm in thickness. The Masts now "Plug In" very nicely indeed!! (I can take a photo or two if anyone is interested.) (The "Sleeves" will not "Pop" out as they are pretty much kept in place when the False Deck is on.) (I am not going to glue the "Sleeves" in place as I need the tiny bit of play, Fore and Aft to set the rake of the Masts. (I have decided on a 5' rake on all Masts rather than the 5.95' given in the research material, maybe a bit of "Scale Effect" here? Anyway 5' is a nice consistent angle for setting the Tops/Cheeks/etc.🙂) That's pretty much me for today,... As mentioned earlier, thank you for looking in and please keep the comment coming, Cheers and Regards Harry.

Thank you Jpalmer, I contacted CHD as I purchased my 1/200 Bismarck Decals from them. After one "iteration" of thier render, I sent them a scan of what I wanted, inc. dimensions. There were a few back and forth email but got there in the end. The resulting render was really good. The render, printing, shipping was AUD $56.00 Cheers and Regards, Harry.

Hi All, Small update: Placed small strips at the outer edges of the Bulwarks to support Main Deck Edges (Sheer) Finally worked out and implemented housings/Steps for Mast Bases. Received Decals for the Stern and Trail Boards (Custom Hobby Decals Australia) Ok. My take on Mast Housings.... Milled 4.0nn thick Rimu Ply, 23mm wide to fit into center Bulwark "Beam" housing, retaining the existing Tanganika Beam "Jacked-up" the Rimu Beam to lie underneath the False Deck False Deck now became the template for Mast hole locations. Drilled holes in the Rimy Ply for Masts Re-assemble and test Note: The Rimu Ply Housing beam is cut into 3 sections, Fore, Main and Mizzen Masts. This is to facilitate setting Mast Rake; all Masts are supposed to be Raked at 5.95' Aft. The differences from 90" to the amount that the base of the Mast moves forward, (X Axis), to accommodate the rake/angle, is miniscule.... I have calculated at 4.0' (86')' as follows: "X" Horizontal Axis "Y" is vertical 90"(Beam to False Deck Fore: X - 0.9mm Y -13.0mm Angle -86.0' Main: X - 0.5mm Y - 8.0mm Angle 86.0' Mizzen X - 1.6mm Y - 24.0mm Angle 86.0"' (I will calculate at 85" also.) So, when I am ready to glue everything, I just need to "Slide" the Rimu housing a fraction forward or backwards to set the masts at the correct angle. I figured that it is much easier to "Shim" the housing beam from a known vertical reference point, Ie. Sterm Post/Bulkhead. I think that I have achieved my goal of "Plug In" Masts. Cheers....HOF. Photos:

Thanks Rob, Yup, right from the "Getgo" there were issues: Keel Frames differed in "Vertical" width by 2.0mm (I aligned the two pieces so that the slotted Bulkhead edge lined up and fixed the forward Keel frame post this with some strip wood.) Keys/dovetails? for all false Keel components required "Adjustment" for a reasonable fit Central beam required machining to fit comfortably into upper Bulkhead housings Bulkheads, (After a lot of testing/re-testing, checking/rechecking) proved to be "reasonable" but issues with the Ramin Center Beam, (As above) Main False Deck required strip wood fillers, Aft. The only reason I have some strip wood clamped to the edge of the Bulkheads is so that I can gauge the lengthwise Deck Sheer as the False deck is quite "Stiff" and after all the issues experienced, I wanted to see a clearly discernable line, (When "Eyeballed" with reference to the plans. 🙂 The kit, thus far, has proved a little difficult. (I am not sure if this was a "Monday morning" or a "late Friday afternoon," production.... 🙂) On the positive side of things, it's really good and forces me to think carefully about things before getting the glue out!! Cheers and Regards, Harry.

HI All, Small update: I have been continuing working on Bulkhead depth/alignment. The Centre Beam, Tanganika is extremely hard and inflexible, a good thing. The kit instructions say that the center of the Bulkheads must meet this "Beam," however while the majority do, there are 3 - 4 that do not and have spaces under the Beam ranging from 0.5mm - 1.0mm I have been agonizing about this discrepancy so decided to clip a couple of Planking Stakes on to the Hull. With the Bulkheads firmly pushed into thier respective slots and the Beam secured with Velcro Cable Ties, the gaps remain. The Planking Strakes lie well along the Hull with no bumps or hollows evident. I also decided to clip a plank along the line of Bulkheads to gauge Deck Sheer. If I move an offending Bulkheads up to meet the Beam, it throws out the afore mentioned Sheer. I think I am now good with where the Bulkheads lie. 🙂 Next step is to place small strips at the outer edges of the Bulwarks to support the outer edges False Deck. I am also working on calculating where on the central Beam, where the Masts will be stepped. Cheers....HOF. Photos:

Thanks Mike, The knowledge is invaluable, thank you. (I've only been doing this for 20 years or so.... 🙂) With this "Mamoli" kit I am really forced to look at things very closely, translation of components listed also made me look extra closely. I had another "Session" this morning sorting more Strip and Stick Wood and also came to the realization there was not going to be enough material to plank Deckhouses/Etc. I found my own stock that should "Foot the bill". I have been spoilt in the past with the likes of A/L, (Even Mantua), kits in the more clearly defined colors/sizes, not to mention quantity and uses of material provided, Anyway, enough of me today, Thank you to yourself, Jaager and Gergory for the advice and assistance. Cheers and Regards, Harry.

Thanks Rick, I have just started.... 🙂 As stated in an alternative post regarding wood, there seems "Just" enough wood for Hull second planking and not much else.... Mamoli is not like the generous A/L kits.... I had a look through my stock of spare wood and am reasonably confident that I now have enough material to complete satisfactorily. Therefore, no progress today apart from ensuring Bulkheads are where they are supposed to be with respect to the base of the Keel. (This was a bit of a concern, initially, as a couple of Bulkheads do not contact the longitudal "Beam" by approx. 1.0 - 1.5mm No worries, I'll "Shim" these.) I also placed a strake along the Hull in various places to ensure there are not going to be any issues with the Bulkhead positions/placement. I have some lengths of Dowel that I will play with to get the masts "Stepped" correctly. (I'm still considering my options. (Removable Masts, or "Plug In" Masts are a definite "Must have" for this chap. 🙂) Edit: Flying Cloud Parts List.xls updated on topic page of this thread for those that are interested. It is far from complete, I will update as I get more done. Cheers....HOF.

Thanks Mike, Lovely builds!! Yup, Maple is the very light wood, like the AL kit "Ramin" As my above reply to Jaager, I'll go with the kit supplied Tanginika for the Deck Planking and the Maple for the Inner Bulwark Planking. I have time on my side as I am at the early stages of the build, but it is important to have things lined up so to speak. 🙂 Cheers and Regards, Harry.

Thank you Jaager, I did a bit more digging; the wood "Tanganika" seems to now be known as "Aningré Blanc" according to Wikipedia. I guess I'll be using it for Deck Planking regardless.... Thank you also for your mention regarding "Maple" Obeche would appear to be what I have, which would explain the color. (Looks similar to A/L kit wood "Ramin," Inner Bulwark Planking. I found a representative picture.... Aningre blanc alias Abam, Akatio, Aningueri blanc oder Osam In the interim, I'll continue with my learnings. Cheers and Regards, Harry.

Hi All, Small update: Machined the longitudal Beam that stiffens the Hull, I had to shave 1.5mm off this. Another gap, this time on the rear Main deck and dealt with this issue also. The Hull structure is looking a little better at this stage and various components are fitting better after a few "Tweaks." No Bulwarks, etc. are affixed in place yet. The mast material gives me a few mm in length at the Base of each mast, the length differs from Mast to Mast depending on the relation of Deck to the afore mentioned "Beam." I scribed a line down the center of the Beam to give me a true centerline for Mast orientation. The trick will be to get each Mast raked aft at 5.95". I am thinking a Brass rod at the end of each mast, offset forward and hole drilled in the Beam to "Step" the Masts. (I don't want to "Glue the Masts in place, I'd rather have them set-up, removeable with the Standing Rigging to hold them in place.) Anyway, enough of me today.... 🙂 Cheers.... HOF. Photos:

Thanks Mike, I have not had a look at your ships yet, I have been preoccupied with resolving the Second Planking/Deck planking. I had a "Deep Dive" into the second planking.... (The kit provides "Just enough" material in my calculations.) In the first couple of photos the top three bundles are Walnut for the majority of the Hull. (Short the Rubbing Strakes which I am assuming is in the Strip Wood bundle, not shown.) The second to bottom bundle, is, the only thing I can think of, is planking for the Inner Bulwarks, definitely not Maple.... The third bundle is what I am assuming is Deck Planking, (The third photo is a closer view of this material.) Tanganika? (It doesn't even come close to the "Key" on the kit box.... 🙂) Cheers and Regards, Harry.

Thanks Gregory, I sort of realized that the larger bundle would be for the deck, only one issue, it's the lighter of the two. What I think is Tanganika is a Red/Orane brown, and conversely, Maple is the slightly darker.... Difficult to tell.... I'll take a photo later today. Cheers and Regards, Harry.

Hi All, Searching for something I thought was pretty straightforward, I am after a Color Comparison chat, (Palate?), for woods used in Model Ship building. I cannot for the life of me find anything in the Database and I don't want to spend hours searching through thousands of posts. Specifically, the two timbers that interest me the most at this stage are: , Tanganika Maple I have never worked with these woods and am in need for an accurate identification. This is for the Mamoli Flying Cloud (There is a color key on the box-top, but this is not clear enough.) The uses slated for these are: Tanganika - Deck Planking (0.5 X 3.0mm) Maple - Inner Bulwarks (0.5 X 3.0mm) I can take an educated guess that the larger bundle is for the Deck Planking, but I would like to be 100% sure. If anyone has this color Chart/information at thier fingertips and could perhaps direct me to an appropriate website or similar, I would be very grateful. Cheers and Regards, Harry.

Thanks Rick. It's all a bit of a mystery at the mo. but seems to be coming together slowly. Getting together my research material and considering/planning the next move. 🙂 Cheers and Regards, Harry.

Hi Chap, Just "Chiming in" here.... From experience, I'd go with #$ followed by #2 My effort with the Sergal/Mantua is on this site. (Search Cutty Sark by HOF00) I have #2 in storage. I think that the Sergal/Mantua version goes together very nicely, and the scale makes things a little easier. (Granted, the size is something to be considered.) Cheers....HOF.

Hi All, Small update: Fixed Keel discrepancy Keel Doublers affixed I decided that I'd put the Keel in the "Clamper" and teat fit the Bulkheads, to my surprise they slotted in place very well!! (Not all Bulkheads are dry fitted as yet as the Doubler clamps are in the way at the mo.) There is a "Beam" that secures the Bulkheads, this is about 1.5mm too wide, I think that this doubles as the Mast Step. I'll cut my own as a template and then machine the kit "Beam" once my template piece is the correct size. The dry fit allows me to visualize/plan a little better. A cursory look at the kit "Stock," it appears that the Ramin Dowels are cut to length, I haven't measured the components as yet. I am hoping that there will be extra length to allow me to machine these, if not, I'll have to find my own stock. I'd be happy if anyone wants to "Chime In" regarding the First Planking. The kit describes the first plank laid at the Very top Stern, (Creating the Stern Upper Bulwarks and terminating some point at the Bow.) I have had a look, (You Tube), at the way Mr. Priske did his, he appears to have started First Planking at the Main Deck level. (I guess it doesn't really matter all that much at the end of the day.) Steve Priske also laid his Deck Planking on the False Decking, Decks installed after the Hull first Planking and inner Bulwarks completed. (The issue i have with that is how do you secure the Decks properly "Post" Hull Planking? My experience with the Cutty Sark was the planking the False Deck "Prior" to Hull Planking was not an issue. (I am not going to "Treenail" the Decki8ng as at 1/96 I don't think you'd be able to see this detail. Cheers.... HOF. Photos:

Thanks Gentlemen, I have now made a start, albeit a slow start. Checked off all bulkheads for sizing against the plans. The 4 pieces that make up the Keel, (X2), Stem and Sternpost have been glued together and are under weights to ensure that they are nice and flat. (Hopefully.) The two Keel pieces are 2.0mm different in width which does not bode well for the Bulkhead fit.... (I plan to add a strip of Lime to the bottom of the Keel to fix this discrepancy. All joints for the above needed "Adjustment." Going through the plans to translate really forced me to get very thorough with the component and build sequence. I'll get some photos in the next day or two. Cheers.... HOF.

Hi All, I decided to put HMB Endeavor on-hold for now as I was not feeling "The Love" so much with this. I have long been keen to get into the Flying Cloud, it's been in the cupboard fort a few years and it's t6ime to get into something completely new. So, out with the box and reviewing plans/instructions. Pretty early on, it was evident that the Italian Parts List was in need of translation. I have been working on a Spread Sheet this for a couple of days now and am at the stage where I can, very soon, make a start. (I have a few hundred other items to add to this....) To get things in order immediately, I have employed the services of Custom Hobby Decals, Australia, to render decal for the Stern Decoration/Trail Board Name in place of the kit supplied white metal castings. (I am hoping that the final render for these will be ready in a day or two.) I have also located some excellent reference material as well as some other bits and pieces. sobco.com/ship_model/fc/Flying_Cloud_plans_bradner.html The kit is double POB, reasonably standard stuff. I'll be looking to Cooper the Hull rather than using the kit supplied "Greenish" wooden plates. This will be the first time that I will have attempted a Mamoli kit and I am looking forward to a Clipper to keep the Cutty Sark company. Cheers....HOF Photos and Spread Sheet if anyone has an interest: Flying Cloud Parts List.xlsx

Hi All, Almost the end of March.... Time certainly flies. Update to the Endeavour: Railings/Timberheads installed. I used 5.0mm wide Mahogany for the Railing material. Gangway Steps constructed. and installed, 12 per side. Skids were problematic, I should have constructed from thinner material in a couple of "Laminations", would have been much simpler. Some Deck furniture constructed; Pump castings required quite a lot of work. Stern Decoration installed, I decided on the "Lipstick on a pig" approach and it looks o.k. Before installing the Rudder, I need to have a think about the color of the Hull below the Wales, Whit Stuff or Stain, unsure. Been thinking on construction of a "Tool" to cut the outline of Loading Ports, I am not using the A/L castings for these. Anyway, slowly onward!! Cheers....HOF. Photos:

Hi Mr. MW, That's a pretty good starter for ten!! I am working on a similar vintage A/L Endeavour, same issues, B/W booklet, etc, etc. (The kit leaves a lot to be desired....) I am currently in the process of finishing the Hull, cutting outlines for loading Ports and have yet to decide what to do with finishing below the Wales, White Stuff or Stain. (I need to update my build and to that end, I'll take a few photos of my progress in a day or two.) Cheers....HOF.

Nice work!! Great result. 🙂 Cheers....HOF.

Hi Pat, As per my PM, thank you for your advice. I am sure that Mr. Marquardt's' book will get a bit of a "Thrashing." Cheers....HOF.