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Hello, thank you all for your comments and likes. druxey, I searched all models and paintings of the NMM and Science museum of that time and today also the models till 1850 and did't find any model with a rabbet around the port lid like the Bellona had. And that model is also from around 1780. I had a closer look into Boudriot's 74 gunner(1780), Vol II page 164. At a first look there is no step at the lid, but at a closer view there are steps to the sides. Above is nothing and below they cut the rabbet of the gun port back in the thickness of the inner planking of the lid. So, steps there are only to the left and right of the lid. When I started with the port lids, I had the Bellona in mind and what I have seen till that on other models, and thought that that is true. But then I realize that all the other contemporary models did’t have that future. I'm long enough re-enactor to understand, that that what all do must not be right. May be it's a short cut of the modeller, or it was really so. May be the outer and inner planking of the lids have together the thickness of the outer planking. For what must they be thicker then necessary, they must not be bulletproof. In combat they are open! And if you have seen more then one Western, you know that even kitchen doors are bulletproof 😮 So I really don't know what to do. At least I leave them as they are, without a rabbet. Carl, yes with that colour it's tricky. But I think I have found the right one. For the models the modellers used often vermillion red. But you could't paint a whole ship with that paint. They used cheaper paint for that based on iron oxide or other cheap pigments. Like the red houses in Scandinavia or the barn red in America. If you see Prince Fredericks bark, in the sun the red is really red, but in the shade it's brown. The same problem I have with this paint now, so I had to make a dozens pictures before I got half-ways the right colour to show you. Doris, my ship is nothing against your beautifully models. You build in a higher class. -
Hello Druxey, so far I thought it would be right too. But I could't find any source that prove that. Goodwin and also Boudriot describe wat you say, but without that step. Thats from Goodwin English man o War and below his booklet about the Victory Here you could also see clearly the inner planking of the lids. But the outer planking of the lids should be of the thickness of the planking of the ship, and that seems to be here a little too thin. May be together they have that thickness. I had seen one picture of a Hahn ship that has these steps and on two models here in Hamburg. But not on the huge model of the Wappen von Hamburg III, 1720. This model is ca 3.50 m long and high! An eastindia man ca 1720. As you could see, rose was also in those days first choice A merchant ship ca. 1750
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Hello, I'm still there! This year was't one of my best. Since 20 years I have Lyme disease and the doctors always give me Antibiotics and say: you have always antibodies afterwards. Yes, if there are Borreliens left! So when this year my knees begin to make troubles, I went to a doctor in Hamburg. The short version, since June I'm eating Antibiotics of different sorts and I hope that this will work. The Borreliens now are mostly gone 😀 But back to my ship. Because the red paint inside the ship dose not really satisfied me, I started searching for a new one. For this ship I changed the paint, from Humbrol to acrylic's from Vallejo. But also there I had to mix the red colour and the red was always dominating. So I looked for the acrylic artist paint. I had the red colour of Prince Fredericks bark in my mind and the most fitting colours are these two Here is my test with these paints. In the upper part of the test, the paint is in two layers. To the left the Lukas, then the Schminke Paint. Both colours did't satisfied me really. Lukas was too light red and Schminke to brown. Following is the mixing of both. Here a test at the ship, to the front the Lukas and then the Schminke paint. It's a great difference. I decided tho use 2 parts of Lukas with one part of Schminke. The result you can see below. The pictures did't show the colour really true, because of lamps, sunlight shade and so on. But I tried to show you the best result. The next problem did't wait. The port lids. The Bellona model ist the only model I know, where the lids have a step that fits into the steps of the port holes. But Goodwin and also Boudriot for his 74 gunner show there a step on the lids. And also not the Victory. That would mean, I have to cut the mortice for the lids deeper 🙁 Ore are the lids cut back to the inside, so that they fit into the port holes with the step? Seen from above. Many thank in advance for your help. I wish you a merry Christmas and a happy new year, Siegfried
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Good morning, these pictures of cannons I made 2013 in Chatham. Most of the muzzles are like the one in Marks second drawing, not so step. So what is right? The No 9 is the big mortar far back to the right, No 18 is the mortar where the explanations are lying on.
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Hello Mark, first of all, I'm happy to see you back at the shipyard. I think that I will return in the near future. Like you, I have the problem, which cannon design should I use for a 1747 launched ship. I found this side in the internet, about britisch cannons. https://www.arc.id.au/Cannon.html But the more you know, the more complicated it seams. I decided for me, to use the Armstrong pattern of 1760. Scaled down to 1:48 I hope there will be no real difference to the 1722/24 or 1742 design. Because I could't find any description of these designs. If anybody has an description about these designs, it would be great to know more about it.
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Hello, just that you see that I'm still working, now and then 😉 I finished the inner planking of the gun deck with deck clamps for the upper gun deck and started to build the gun port lids.
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Thank you Marc, I'm not very busy these days, because we have here a super summer. The drawback is, it is much too dry. It burns everywhere. But after the last years summer, or was it winter the whole year, I'm not so often in the basement at the shipyard. But now and then I'm at work, planking the gun deck walls.
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ancre Chebece 1750 by Jeronimo - FINISHED
Siggi52 replied to Jeronimo's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1501 - 1750
Good morning Karl, it a great model, bravo -
Seahawk and Carl, many thanks and also thanks to all who made there likes for my work.
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Hello, today I finished the small dragons, who keep Leo's feet warm I glued them to a piece of scrap wood, with a piece of paper between, so that I could hold them better At the last pictures they are not already dry, so that I will tomorrow make the rest ready.
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Many thanks Amalio and Grandpa
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Hello Doris, the horse looks great, but I would shorten the head a little and make the transition between neck and head a little thicker.
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Thank you Druxey, and also all others for your likes. The main problem I have when painting such small things, is my nervousness. When I see that it works, my hands get more and more calm. But again, thank you all for your tips.
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Hello and thank you all for your comments and likes, I was not very busy the last week, but I made the hawse hols with the linings and bolsters. The next things are the trail boards between the cheeks. I have a trail board, all in ocker but only the little dragon in green, in my mind. I saw it somewhere, but I did't find that picture again. If anyone has that picture, or know where I could find it, tell it.
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ancre Chebece 1750 by Jeronimo - FINISHED
Siggi52 replied to Jeronimo's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1501 - 1750
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Hello Carl, for these small cheeks you need no stick to support your hands. I painted them not installed and they are still not fast installed. As I wrote, to the end of the job my hands get more calm. That are just the nerves.
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Hello Hubac, no, I'm not unhappy with the result. That is fine. I just do not like this kind of job. It's all soooooo small, the paint sticks to the brush and would't flow, the hands tremble and so on.
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Hello, and thank you all for your likes. Today I finished the long feared paint job I do not like it very much, but to the end my hands get more calm and I think the result is not sooo bad At one of the pictures with the cheeks not painted, you may have seen that the left one was a little higher than the right one. That came because the treenail was in a wrong hole. I saw it first at the picture and went immediately down into the basement to see what had happens, but all is ok. And here you see why I do not like the job very much, it's all so small.
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Hello, it is done, the cheeks are mostly ready. First some pictures before I have painted them. Here I started painting them. That was from the feeling more work then building them. But this is only the basis paint The real hard work begins tomorrow, all these small acanthuses.
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Hello, thank you Nils and all others for your likes. Today only a small update. The men installed the waterway and thereby the planking of the deck is ready. Now the paint and varnish can dry. Next I think I must made the cheeks. The head has the tendency to bent to the left. It's now only a little, but nobody knows what will come in the future. There went something wrong when installing the head and I hope I will stop that with the cheeks installed.
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Hello and thank you all for your likes, today I finished the planking of the gun deck and I made also the spirketting. I think that I need the next week for relaxing my fingertips and let here and there some new skin growing These riding pices are very hard and stable. I build the deck without the margin plank, you would't see it later. The waterway I will install in the slit between the deck and the spirketting.
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