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Hello, and many thanks for your comments and likes. now the upper ship is planked. It was't always an easy job, but it's done. For that event, Leo was invited to take his seat. The underwater ship would be easier, because there are no port holes, but may be other hardships..thumb.jpg.a0b1ee3cc4c4f754e927fdf8b617acf4.jpg)
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Hello and many thanks for your comments and likes, the rest of the week I was't very busy at the yard, but I finished the waist rail. The greatest problem here was the design that should work together with the channels, who must be integrated into the waist rail. At the first picture you could see the slots for them. For that I made the rail in two parts, leaving out the lower part for the for and main channels. Only for the mizzen channels I had to cut down the lower part. The upper part is also at the waist the drift rail, therefor here not installed.
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Good morning Mark, these ties I have already, but not always installed. They are alway in the way if you would clamp down a plank. One other problem is, that you could sometimes press a planks into the wood with your clamps. Also sanding is't easy, because the wood bents a little between the plywood and later you have there a bump. The wood would wait, until you are ready with your rulers, before coming out again Also scribing is a problem. But problems are there, to be solved
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Hello, a smal update. Now I have planked the hull up to the waist rail. What I have learned about this technic till now is, take better plywood and not balsa wood. For the under water ship it is may be ok, but now above the upper wales it's beginning to be too flexible because the walls here are too thin.
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Hello Michael, thank you for your efforts. I would prefer the method they used with the Bellona. But I think also, that there was at those times no hard and fast rule for the rails. The 1745 list of establishment was the start to build ships at all shipyards after the same dimensions. But the rails are not mentioned there. There dimensions are from the 1719 list of establishment, and there could have changed a lot since then.
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Hello, as I have always to say, but sometimes forget, thank you for your likes and comments. I really appreciate them. Mark, I think also that this drawing is the best source for me. There changed so much in the later years, just to get the ships cheaper. That with the waterway I did't noticed till you mentioned it. But I did't know if it's right or wrong. May be that is also such a change. Then when it's work, it's ok. The last days I was not really busy. I just build the under construction for the waist rail and started with planking the room from the channel wales to the top.
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ok, Druxey, but that is in 1805. I think that 50 years before every variation was possible. About the fight of the Yards and the Admiralty about the costs you could read a lot in Carr Laughton's book, Old Ship Figure-Heads and Sterns. Here a small extract from page 87.
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Hello Druxey, with that I do not agree. If they feared that there ships could be damaged, they would't build them so beautiful. No carvings and so on. Just as modern war ships. But they want beautiful ships, especially the shipyards. That was there pride I think. Merchant ships have had there battles too, with pirates and warships of other nations. And all what did not bring the ship from one harbour to the next, was money that did't pay. That where merchants. In the case that the rail is directly at the frames, they could have build easily a plank under the rail and you would see the frames too. I think so interesting are the frames in this section not. You see many models, where the rails are very flat. Almost even with the other surface. So there it could, be that they build that rail directly on the frames. As I see it now, it's all speculation, this or the other way. But why give they dimension for rails, who work only if the rails where build on the frames? Here I found a picture in William Falconer's Dictionary of the Marine. That is what I think I will build. The waist rail sits on a thick plank and the sheer rail on the planking.
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Hello and thank you Druxey and Jason. Druxsey, you don't know why it is so as you wrote? I looked in the meantime through my books and pictures, but could't find any thing that confirmed my favourite version, because of the thickness of the rails. If I set these thick rails ( according to the list of establishment) upon the planking, they are out of proportion to the ship. But then I remembered, what I have seen at the model of the Superb. There lie the moulded waist rail upon a thicker plank then the planks around. May be that this is the thick plank they asked in the list of establishment for. And also the plank on which the sheer rail sits, look thicker (but may be not) Here pictures, Mark will know, from the Bellona. There the waist rail lie on a plank and the channels sits also on this plank. But the sheer rails lie directly on the frames! At the next picture we could see the waist rail on a normal plank, but the sheer rail on the frames. So I think anything is possible and nothing is hard and fast. Here the coppered Bellona. The waist rail sits on a thicker plank but the sheer rail sits directly on the planking. And here is a section from my plan. So, it looks if these rails shown in the plan, represent the thicker planks. The dimension are correct. I have decided, to build the rails with ticker planks under them, as seen at the Superb. May be not so thick as set in the list of establishment. Somewhere in L.G.Carr Laughton's book about Old Ship Figure-Heads and Sterns, he quoted that the rails should also strengthen the upper works and that could't do the moulded rails. If anybody has other solution, please tell me.
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Hello, and many thanks for your likes and comments. Mark, that are the remains from the ships of the 17 century. I think she is also at the stern a little higher than later ships. Today I finished also the starboard side of the ship and now I will begin to plank the upper part of the ship. But there arose a question. How did they build in the rails? I made a sketch of that what I mean. For the Dragon I used the version 2, but now I'm not really sure if that was right. At most models, where you could see it, they are set above the planking. That may be a short cut. But from the dimensions in the list of establishment they could also build it like in version 1. The sheer rail should be 8in broad and 3in thick, the waist rail 6,5in broad and 3,75in thick. The planking here is 2in thick, so they would stay 1 or 1,75in (0,5 or 0,9 mm) out of the planking. If I set them above the planking they would stay 3 or 3,75in (1,6 or 2 mm) above the planking. And for that the rails are too low at the models. Many thanks in advance
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Hello, today I finished the planking of the port side, between the wales. These gun ports slow your really down and I have a lot more of them above the upper wales
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Hello Druxey, don't worry, I see that not as a critic and for that I'm here in the forum. I have at the moment so much to oversee, there is a fault easy done. It looks a bit step and I measured it immediately after reading your post, but it is ok so. You may see a shadow under the wale at the first bulwark to the right, that is the original measure point there. But the points at the stem post and the second bulwark are exact as at the plan. So the step would be more step from the first bulwark to the stem post, if I had't adjusted it. That is may be a problem with these plans, there it looks even, but in reality is there than a kink. If you look at the last picture, seen from the side it is not so step. But the ship is really round at the bow. So, thank you for asking
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Hello, first, many thanks for your likes and comments. today I finished the so called black strakes. That was quite a task, but now it's done. I like the view of the fore ship, it looks like a bursted ball The next thing is to plank the rest to the upper wales.
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Mark, your pace is ok. But I have the most simple version of wales and that is faster to make. What you have scribe on your ship is the waist rail, the sheer rail is one step deeper. At my ship the next line above the upper wales and then comes the waist rail. I scribed only the top edge.
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Hello Mark, it is always good to see your model. I had the same thoughts about the counter then Druxey and Edt. But at the other hand, I have to plank the hull under the wales too and there I think it is easier to clamp the planks to the wing transom without having the counter planked. What is really better? I don't know. In your case this version seems to be the better way.
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Good morning, thank you all for your likes and comments. Mark, I'm wetting the planks lightly with water and heat them up with my hot air gun, during putting it in my jig. If you did't have a hot air gun, give your hair dryer a chance. For thinner planks you did't need a jig. Just warm the wet planks up until they are dry and install them. Steve, I use mostly Black Alder for planking. For decks I use Pear and for carvings Castello. Mateusz, I do my very best to hold the quality
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Hello, and many thanks for your likes. Today I finished the wales. That was harder as first thought and the next days I need to get the notches out of my thumbs, from pressing down these stubborn strakes
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Hello, Paul, if you have strong glasses and sharp knifes, I think you can do it too Leo II is sitting here at my computer desk and would't leave it. Today I'm started with planking. At first the wales. I made the lower strake and half the thick stuff at both sides. I made first the butt and hook joints and glued them together. But if the joints are sanded and painted black, you would hardly see them So far for today. The rest will follow tomorrow.
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Hello, Mark, I give all, that it will get a good ship. Paul, the lines of the hull are not my work, but I carved the figure head. It takes me 3 weeks to carve this one and 2 month to carve all three versions.
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Hello, first I have to say many thanks for your likes, comments and help. Second I have to announce, that the raw hull is mostly ready. Only the inside is not really ready. But that will come after the outside is planked, for a better stability. So the next work is to make the wales and then plank the upper part of the hull.
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Hi Gary, thank you for taking the time to search through your books for my problem. What you say, is what is in the 1719 establishment written. Even that the middle strake has the same thickness as the two outer strakes. I know from most of the models I have seen, that the middle strake is thinner. But I found now, when I looked for that, two models where the middle strake has the same thickness as the two wales and all three strakes are painted black. http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66385.html Kent 1725 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66395.html Ipswich 1730 That brings me to the question, should I build it the same way? If they build the wales with all three strakes of the same thickness, then they painted all strakes black. If they build the middle strake thinner, they paint only the two wales black. Not the middle strake. Interesting in this case is also, that they build the upper wales, in the models Kent and Ipswich, with a thinner middle strake. In the list of establishment is nothing mentioned as for the "lower" wales. Only the breadth from the upper to the lower edge, 2ft 4in (for all three strakes), wrought all of a thickness to 4in. I would say that means, that they have also an even thickness. That showed us, that every shipyard has it's own way of building and they did't follow the list of establishment strictly.
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