garyshipwright

Your very welcome Ron and thank you Joe. Here are some photo's of her keel, stem, stern post and deadwood along with her apron and building board. A couple of the photo's show the templates that were used to construct the parts and pieces.

Once the spirketting and water way was done I installed the 12 standand's per side according the the research I had. She really had 12 per side, and one at the stem and another one at the stern. They were used to strengthening the sides, and for resisting an violent or sudden shock. One thing is for sure, they will sure make installing the upper deck hanging knees a very interesting item to install.

Once the spirketting and water way was done I installed the 12 standand's per side according the the research I had. She really had 12 per side, and one at the stem and another one at the stern. They were used to strengthening the sides, and for resisting an violent or sudden shock. One thing is for sure, they will sure make installing the upper deck hanging knees a very interesting item to install.

Hi Guys and thank you very much.
Hi Ed. As far as the deck planking, I am planning on leaving off as much as possible accept for some that the cannon's will sit on.
 
As far as the next item, I wanted to show the main mast partner which was a heavy bulk of timber. Most of how this part is laid out came from David's A book the The Fully Framed Model, The Swan. Any way it was one of those items that not only was interesting but a lot of fun to make.Montagu is made up of 8 pieces of wood and the photo also include parts of the chain pumps, which is part of fitting it. Hard to do one with out the other.

Once the spirketting and water way was done I installed the 12 standand's per side according the the research I had. She really had 12 per side, and one at the stem and another one at the stern. They were used to strengthening the sides, and for resisting an violent or sudden shock. One thing is for sure, they will sure make installing the upper deck hanging knees a very interesting item to install.

Thanks every one. After doing the wale on the outside, I turned my attention back to the gun deck and started to install the water way and the spirketting. As far as the shape of the stakes, their shape came from the Elizebeth plan. Does seem that I am sort of stuck on the gun deck and hopfully once the cannons are done things will starte to move along.

Hi Folks.
As Wayne has said seems that am classic bibliophile, with no hope in sight. Figure I would post my small library and it may help others on what books may be worth adding to their own library. Hope it does help. Not as big as Wayne's but it fits my need's. The name of the book is first followed by the author. If you want to know a little bit about the book and if it fits your needs just let me know.
Gary
 
English Maritime Books Printed before 1801- Adams/Waters
Art of Building of Ships 1719 -Allard
The Rigging of Ships in the Days of the Sprit sail Topmast- Anderson,R.C.
Seventeenth Century Rigging.- Anderson,R.C.
The Sailing Ship- Anderson,R.C.
Encylopedie Methodiqiue, 1783-1787, 3 vols plus plates.- Ancre
Dictionary fo Sea Terms- Ansted
Album of Colbert 1670- Anonymous
The Fully Framed model . H.M.S. Swan Class Sloop, vol 1, 2, 4- Antscherl,D
The Fully framed Model. HMS Swan Class Sloop vol 3 -Herbert, Greg
Shipbuilding Repository-1788 -Anonymous
Album DeCobert-1670- Anonymous
The Wooden Fighting Ship in the -Royal Navy Archibald
The Ashley Book of Knots Ashley,-Clifford W.
Building Britain's Wooden Walls, 1697-1851 -Barnard,John E
Ships and Seamanship -Baugean,J.J.
The Art of Gunfounding- Beer,Carel De
A.O.S Royal Yacht Caroline -Bellaburla/Osculoti
Sailing Rigs, An Illustrated Guide -Bennett,Jenny
Mariner Mirror 5 CD set -Bethell,John P
Cross Sections of Man Of War -Biesty
Steering to Glory,A Day in the Life of a ship of the line -Blake,Nicholas
Naval Expositer -Blankley,Thomas
Album Del marques De La Victoria -Borbon, Carlos de
The Sea. Its History and Romance. 4 Vols -Bowen,F
Scale Model Sailing ships -Bowen,John
Model Shipwright, Vol 1-131- Bowen,John
An Anthology,1972-1997, Model shipwright -Bowen,John
2010 Shipwright -Bowen John
2011 Shipwright -Bowen John
2012 Shipwright- Bowen John
2013 Shipwright -Bowen John
Artillerie De La Marine 1758 -Boudriot
History of the French Frigetes,1650-1850- Boudriot
74 to 120 gun ships in the French Navy, 1650/1850 -Boudriot
The Frigates in the French Navy,1650-1850- Boudriot
Naval Gunnery in France, 1650-1850 -Boudriot
La Belle Poule, 12 pdr Frigate,1765 -Boudriot
La Venus, 18 pdr Frigate, 1782- Boudriot
The 74 gun ship, 4 vols- Boudriot
Compagnie Des Indes-2 vols- Boudriot
John Paul Jones and the Bonhomme Richard- Boudriot
La Salamander 1752- Boudriot
Le Fleuron 1729, 64 gun ship- Boudriot
Le Navire Marchand Ancien Regime L Mercure 1730 2vols- Boudriot
La Jacinthe, 1823, Schooner- Boudriot
50 to 64 gun ships in the French Navy. 1650-1850 -Boudriot
Le Trois Ponts Dw Chevalies De Tourville 1680,2 vols- Boudriot
L Aurore 1766, Pleasure Sloop of War, 1766- Boudriot
L Aurore 1784, Slaver- Boudriot
Le Cygne 1806, Brig 24 guns -Boudriot
la Belle Expendition Vessel, 1684, 2 vols- Boudriot
La Diligente, The King's Tartan,138-1761- Boudriot
La Renomme, 8 pdr Frigate, 1744 -Boudriot
Le Requin Xebec, 1750- Boudriot
La Salamandre, Bomb Ketch,1752 -Boudriot
Le Coureur, Lugger 1776 -Boudriot
Bonhomme Richard, 1779- Boudriot
Le Cerf, Cutter 1779 Le Batearc De Lanveoc, Brest's single mast righ boat, 1780 -Boudriot
La Creole Corvette 1827 -Boudriot
La Chaloupe Armee En Guerre, 42 ft Longboat armed for War,1834 -Boudriot
Le Francous 1683- Boudriot/Lemineur
Le Bateau De Lanveoc -Boudriot/Berti
Le Gros Ventre -Boudriot/Delacroix
Encyclopedie Methodique/Marine Vol 1,2,3 and plates -Boudriot reprint
Uniforms of the Royal Naval, 17th 18th century-Boudriot/Petard
Lost Ships Bound, -Mensun
The Model Ship, Her role In History -Boyd,Norman Napier
Anatomy of an Admiralty Model (CD) -Bruckshaw,Robert
H.M.S Victory, Building ,Restoration and Repair, 2 vols -Bugler,A
Sovereign of the Seas -Busmann,H
How to Carve Wood, A book of projects and techniques -Butz,Richard
Nelson in the Caribbean, The Hero Emerges,1784-1787 -Callo,Joseph F
Van De Velde Drawings in the National maritime Museum, 2 vols -Cambridge
Neophty shipmodeler's jackstay -Campbell,G
Old ships Figureheads and Sterns -Carrton
The History of English Sea Ordnance, Vol 1- Caruana
The History of English Sea Ordnance, Vol 2 -Caruana
Vase 1, The Archaeology of a Swedish Warship of 1628- Cederhind/Hocker
Search for speed under Sail -Chapelle
History of American sailing Ships- Chapelle
The Baltimore Clipper, Its origin and Development -Chapelle
The History of the American Sailing Navy -Chapelle
Architecture Navalis Mercatoria -Chapman
Sailing Ships, Their History and Development,part 1 -Clowes,G.S. Laird
Sailing Ships, Their History and Development,part 2 -Clowes,G.S. Laird
The Royal Naval, 7 vols -Clowes,W.M
Historic Architecture of the Royal Navy -Coad,J
Early Sea Painters,1660-1730 -Cockett,F.B.
Peter Monamy-1681-1749- Cockett,F.B
The Age of Sail, vol1 -Conway maritime Press
The Age of Sail, vol2 -Conway maritime Press
The Decorative Arts of the Mariner- Cook,Gervis Frere
Drawing of Nicholas Pocock, 1740-1821- Cordingly
Figureheads, Carving on ships from ancient times to the twentieth century Costa,- Giancarlo
Ship Models -Crabtree
Royal Yachts of Europ -Crabtree, R
The American Built Clipper Ship -Crothers
Pilots,, The World of Pilotage under Sail and Oar, Vol 1 and 2 -Cunlifle,T
Anchors, An Illustrated History -Curryer,Betty Nelson
Naval Architecture 1695 -Dassie
Pepys's Navy, Ships, Men and Warfare, 1649-1689 -Davies, JD
Ship models and How to build them- Daviess,C
The built up ship Model- Daviess,C
Ship Model Builders Assitant -Daviess,C
Art of Knotting and Splicing -Day,C.L
Nelson's Favourite;HMS Agamemnon,1781-1809- Deane,A.N.
Sailing ships(Dutch Prints) 16th to 19th century- DeGroat/Vorstman
L'Amarante Corvette 1747- Delacroix, Gerard
List of French Ships,1661-1715- Demerliac
Memoirs of the Royal Navy -Derrick
Building the Wooden Fighting ship.- Dodds/Moore
Splintering the Wooden Wall -Dudley,Wade G
Dictionay of Ship Types -Dudsyuis
Element D' Architecture Navale, 1758 -Duhamel Du, Monceau
Manufacture of Anchors Reaumur 1723-1764 -Duhamel
Ship Modeler's Shop Notes -Edson
The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain -Edwards, Betty
The Restoration Warship -Endsor, Richard
Grinling Gibbons and the Art of Carving- Esterly, D
Falconer's marine Dictionary 1815 -Falconer,W
Progressive Scratch-Building in Ship Modeling (CD)-Feldman,Clayton
H.M.S Victory -Fenwick, K
L'Artesien, Vaisseau de 64 canons 1764-1785- Fichant,Jacques
Introductory Outline on Practice of Shipbuilding -Fincham,J
A history of Naval Architecture- Fincham,J
A treatise on Masting Ships and Masting making -Fincham,J
Outline of Ship Building,1852 -Fincham,J
Laying Ships off on the Mould Loft Floor.- Fincham,J
USS Constellation, From Frigate to Sloop of War -Footner, Geoffrey M.
Ship Models,1951- Fox
A Distant Storm, the Four day Battle, Battle of 1666- Fox,F
Great Ships; The Battle fleet of King Charles 2 -Fox,Frank
Sailing Ships of War,1400-1860 -Fox,Frank
The Great Ordnance Survey of 1698- Fox Frank/Richard Endsor
Sailing, Seamanship and Yacht Construction- Fox,Uffa
Navy Board Ship Models, 1650-1750 -Franklin,John
Les Genles De La Mer -French Museum
L' Art De Modelisme -Frolich,B
To Build a Ship, the voc replica ship- Garvery,R
Royal Yachts -Gavin
Naval War of 1812 -Gardines,R
Navies and the American Revolution,1775-1783 -Gardines,R
Nelson against Napoleon -Gardines, R
Fleet Battle and Blockade; The French Revolutionary War, 1793-1797 -Gardines,R
Warships of the Napoleonic Era -Gardines,R
Frigates of the Napoleonic Wars -Gardines,R
Heavy Frigate, 18 pounder Frigates,1778-1800 -Gardines,R
The Sailing Frigate, A History in Ship Models -Gardiner, R
Nelson's Ships, a Trafalgar Tribute -Gardner,D
The Floating Prison -Garneray,Louis
The Ships of Trafalgar, The British, French and Spanish Fleets, Oct 1805 -Goodwin,P
The Naval Cutter Alert -Goodwin,P
Pandora, Bomb Vessel -Goodwin,P
Nelson's Victory -Goodwin,P
The Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War -Goodwin,P
Nelson's Ships, A History of the Vessels In Which He Served. 1771-1805 -Goodwin,P
The 20 gun Ship Blanford. -Goodwin,P
Ships of the American Revolution and their models -Hahn.H
The colonial Schooner -Hahn,H
Marine Carving Handbook -Hanna,Jay S
Trafalgar and the Spanish Navy -Harbron,John D
Catchers and Corvettes, The Steam Whalecatcher in Peace and War,1860-1960 -Harland,John H
Capstans and Windlasses -Harland,John H
Seamanship in the Age of Sail, 1600-1860 -Harland, John
F.H.Chapman, The First Naval Architect and his Work -Harris,Daniel G
Manual of Traditional Wood Carving -Hasluck,Paul N
Log of the Union -Hayes,Edmund
The Ships of Abel Tasman -Hoving,A/Emke,C
Nicolaes Witsen and Shipbuilding in the Dutch Golden Age -Hoving,A.J.
The Staten Jacht Utrecht 1746, Sea Watch Books -Hoving,Ab
Marine Art Of Geoff Hunt -Hunt,G
Tall ship in Art -Hunt/Myers
A Treatise on Naval Architecture -Hutchinson, W
The Model shipbuilders manual of Fittings and Guns -Isard
History of Art -Janson,H.W.
Bound for Blue Water- Jineshsan
Charles Brooking,1723-1759 -Joel,D
The Great Age of Sail -Jobe,J
The Period Ship Handbook, 2 -Julier, Keith
Modelling Late Victorian Battleships -King,Brian
The Kriegstein Collection, 17th and 18th century ship Models- Kriegstein Brothers
The Lore of the Ship- Kelalbery,B
Gunfounding and Gunfounders -Kennard,A.N.
Portsmouth Dockyard Papers,1774-1783, The American War -Knight,R
American Heavy Frigates, 1794-1826 -Lardas,Mark
Trincomalee -Lambert,A
Life in Nelson's Navy -Lavery, B
Marine architecture, Directions for Carrying on a ship,1739, Edmund Bushnell -Lavery,Brian
Jack Aubrey Commands -Lavery,Brian
The Royal Navy's First Invincible, 1744-1758 -Lavery,Brian
Nelson's Fleet at Trafalgar- Lavery,Brian
Nelson Navy, 1739-1815 -Lavery,B
The Arming And Fitting of the English Ships of War, 1600-1860 -Lavery,B
Ship of the Line, 2 vols -Lavery,B
74 gun ship Bellona -Lavery,B
Building the wooden walls -Lavery,B
Dean's Doctrine of Naval Architecture, 1670 -Lavery,B
Ship models, Their purpose and development. From 1650 to present -Lavery,B
Line of Battle- Sailing Warship, 1650-1840 -Lavery,B
Nelson and the Nile, The Naval War against Bonaparte -Lavery,B
Ship Board Life and Organisation 1731-1815 -Lavery,B
Ship Modeling From Scratch -Leaf, Edwin B.
Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War, 1625-1860 -Lee,J
Endeavour,a pictorial record of the building of the replica of H.M. Bark Endeavour- Lefroy,Mike
Young Sea Officer Sheet Anchor -Lever,D
Anatomy of Nelson's ship- Longridge,C
Modeling the Cutty Sark -Longridge,C
The Blackwall Frigates -Lubbock, Basil
Modelos De Arsenal, Del Museo Naval -Lunwerg
Album Del Marques De La Victoria -Lunwerg
Sea Battles in Close up. The age of Nelson- Lyon,D
Sailing Navy List- Lyon,D
The Sail and Steam Naval List- Lyon/Winfield
Ships in Minature -Macaffery,L
Building plank on Frame Ship Models- MaCarthy,R
Sails Through the Centuries- Macfie,G
The schooner, Its Design and Development from 1600 to the Present -MacGregor,David R
Merchant Sailing ships. 1775-1815- MacGregor,David R.
The boats of Men of War- May,W.E.
Frigate Constitution and other Historic ships -Maqorew
Artillery of the Navy (Ed. canvas) 1758 -Maritz
The Global Schooner, Origins, Development,Design and Construction,1695-1845- Marquardt, Karl Heinz
18th century Rigs and Rigging- Marquardt,K
AOS, HMS Beagle -Marquardt,K
A Most Fortunate Ship Martin,- Tyrone G
H.M.S. Sussex, 1693 McArdle, Gilbert
Ships, from the archives of Harland and wolff, the builders of the titanic -McCluskie,T
H.M.S. Victory, Her Construction, Career and Restoration- McGowan
The Ship, the Century before Steam -McGowan,A
The Ship, Tiller and whipstaff -McGowan,A
Granado, 24 gun Frigate -McKay/Coleman
The Hudson's Bay Company's 1835 steamship, Beaver -McKay, John
The 100 gun ship Victory- McKay,J
The Practical ship-Builder, 1839, Facsimile reprint, 1940 -McKay,L
Granado, 24gun Frigate -McKay/Coleman
Shipbuilding in Miniature- McNarry,D
Naval Guns, 500 years of Ships and Coastal Artilley- Mehl,H
William Frederick's1874, Scale Journey- Mendez,Antonio
American Ships of the Colonial and Rev Periods- Millar
Building Early american Warships- Millar
The Elements of Naval Architecture, Or A Practical Treatise on Shipbuilding 1764- Monceau, Duhamel/Murray,Mungo
Naval Architectuure Elements 1758 -Monceau, Duhamel
Historic ship Models -Mondfelt
Spars and Rigging, from Nautical Routine,1849- Murphy,J.M/Jeffers,W.N.
A Treatise on Shipbuilding and navigation in Three Parts -Murray, M
Sailing Ship Models -Nance
Legacy of a Ship Model, Examining HMS Princess Royal 1773 -Napier,Rob
Queen Anne's Navy -Navy Records Society
The Sergison Papers -Navy Records society
Schooner Sultana, Building A Chesapeake Legacy -Niemeyer,L/McMullen,D
Ships' Plans -NMM
The Portrait of Peter Pett and the Sovereign of the Seas -NMM
Plymouth's ships of War, Maritime Monographs and Reports, no 4-1972 -NMM
18th Century Shipbuilding, Remarks on the Navies of the English and Dutch, 1737- Ollivier,Blaise
Traite De Construction, 1736 -Ollivier,B
Naval Veneziane, Venetian ships- Penzo,Gilberto
Rigging Period Ship Models- Petersson, Lennarth
Modeling the Brig of war Irene -Petryes,C.W.
Warships of the King. Ann Wyatt(1658-1757)Her life and Her Ships -Philbin,Tobias/Endsor, Richard
Navy Board contracts,1660-1832- Pool,Bernard
Danish Figure heads -Poulsen,H
The Warship Figureheads of Portsmouth- Pulvertaft, David
Figureheads of the Royal Navy -Pulvertaft, David
Building A Miniature Navy Board Model -Reed, Philip
Modelling Sailing Men Of War -Reed, Philip
Period Ship Modelmaking, An Illustrated Masterclass.- Reed, Philip
Rees's Naval Architicture, 1819-1820- Rees's
Ship Models from Kits- Riches, Colin
A Marine Vocabulary -Roberts, David
The painting of the Willem Van De Veldes -Robinson
Allgemeines Worterbuch Der Marine, 4 vols -Roding,J.H.
The Wooden World, An anatomy of the Georgian Navy -Rodger, M.A.M.
HMS Warrior 74 gun Ship, 4 vols -Romero,W
Royal Yacht Fubbs -Romero,W
Conferedacy -Romero,W
L, Art De La Mature, 1777- Romme
L, Art De La Voilure, 1781- Romme
Ship Modeling from Stem to Stern- Roth,M
Dominic Serres, 1719-1793 -Russatt,A
High Relief Wood carving -Schnute, William J
Carving Ornamentatio for Ship Models, -Short,Bill
Naval Achievements, 1793-1817, -by James Jenkins Sim Comfort
American Naval Broadsides, Maritime Prints -Smith,E
Ship Models -Smith,C.Fox
The Warship Vasa-Sculptures. -Soop,H
A goodly Ship , the Building of the Susan Constant -Spectre, P.H./Larkin, D
Naval Architecture,1787 2 vols -Stalkartt,M
Vada Mecuem -Steel,D
Mast Making, Sailmaking and Rigging -Steel,D
Steel's Naval Architicture, 1805, 2 vols -Steel,D
The Elements and Practice of Rigging and Seamenship,1794 -Steel,D
An account of the construction and Embellishment of Old Time ships -Stevens,J
The world of Sail and Steam -Stobart
Shipbuilding Asstant, 1711 -Sutherland,W
Britain's Glory or ship Building Unvail's1717 -Sutherland,W
Lords of the East -Sutton,J
Ship Modeling Techniques -Takakjian,P
AOS Essex -Takakjian,P
Complete Guide to Wood Carving -Tangerman,E.J.
The Naiad Frigate (38) 1797 Vol1- Tosti, Edward J
British Figurhead and ship Carvers -Thomas,P
The Age of Sail, Vol 1 -Tracy,Nicholas
The Age of Sail, Vol 2 -Tracy,Nicholas/Martin Robson
The Frigates Seafarers,-Time Life
The Clipper ships Seafarers,-Time Life
The Great Liners Seafarers,-Time Life
Fighting Sail Seafarers,-Time Life
The pirates Seafarers,-Time Life
The Explorers Seafarers,-Time Life
The Armada Seafarers,-Time Life
The Men of War Seafarers,-Time Life
The Original Ships in Scale (CD) Vol 1 1983-1987, Vol2 1988-1991 -Seaways Publishing
Seaways Ships in Scale (CD) Vol 1 1990-1994, Vol2 1995-1999 -Seaways Publishing
Model Ship Builder (CD) Vol 1 1979-1984, Vol 1 1985-1989 -Seaways Publishing
Model Ship Builder (CD) Vol 2 1990-1994, Vol 2 1995-1999 -Seaways Publishing
Plank on Frame models, Vol 1- Underhill
Plank on frame models, Vol 2 -Underhill
Sailing ship Rigs and Rigging -Underhill, H
Souvenirs De Marine Conserves, 2 vols -Vice Amiral Paris
Naval Architecture, A Manual on Laying off, 1898 -Watson, Thomas H.
Old Ironsides-Americans Build a fighting ship- Weitzman,D
The Shipwrights Trade,1948- Westcolt,A
Fighting Ships,1750 to 1850 -Willis, Sam
The British Navy and the State in the 18th Century- Wilkinson,Clive
First Rate, The Greatest Warships of the Age of Sail -Winfield, R
British War Ships in the age of sail. 1603-1714- Winfield,R
British War Ships, 1714-1792 -Winfield,R
British War Ships, 1793-1817- Winfield,R
The 50 Gun ship -Winfield,R
The Techniques of Ship Modelling -Wingrove, Gerald A
Coronelli, Ships and other craft -Witt,M.M.
Architicture Navalis, 1671, -Witsen,N
HMS Euryalus(36) 1803. A Plank on Frame Model -Allan Yedlinsky/Wayne Kempson
His Majesty's Royal Ship -Young, Alan R

Once the spirketting and water way was done I installed the 12 standand's per side according the the research I had. She really had 12 per side, and one at the stem and another one at the stern. They were used to strengthening the sides, and for resisting an violent or sudden shock. One thing is for sure, they will sure make installing the upper deck hanging knees a very interesting item to install.

Well guys, after finally getting all the gun deck ports cut in and the framing of the gun deck done I went to work on the out side of the hull installing the main wale. Montagu main wale was four strakes of 8 1/2 inch thick planks, with the upper two being locked together and the bottom two being locked together. When I mean locked together am talking about a hook anchor type of plank. Peter Goodwin shows this in his book but I also found to primary plans of it one being the Elizebeth and ,Montagues. I like Elizebeth wale and also her other planking that Montaguplanking is taken after her. Being that I don't have any ideally of which type was applied, felt safe following her's. Now when it came to the thickness of this planking I decided to do it in two layers both being applied hook anchor type planking. Doing the first layer like this gave me a chance to practice before I layed the outside layer and once it was done,it was dyed black and given a coat or two of wax. I wanted a black wale but didn't want to mess with ebony and one can not tell the difference when you look at it with ebony laying next to it. Another one of those interesting items that was fun to do.






 





 



 

Thanks every one. After doing the wale on the outside, I turned my attention back to the gun deck and started to install the water way and the spirketting. As far as the shape of the stakes, their shape came from the Elizebeth plan. Does seem that I am sort of stuck on the gun deck and hopfully once the cannons are done things will starte to move along.

Once the spirketting and water way was done I installed the 12 standand's per side according the the research I had. She really had 12 per side, and one at the stem and another one at the stern. They were used to strengthening the sides, and for resisting an violent or sudden shock. One thing is for sure, they will sure make installing the upper deck hanging knees a very interesting item to install.

Well guys, after finally getting all the gun deck ports cut in and the framing of the gun deck done I went to work on the out side of the hull installing the main wale. Montagu main wale was four strakes of 8 1/2 inch thick planks, with the upper two being locked together and the bottom two being locked together. When I mean locked together am talking about a hook anchor type of plank. Peter Goodwin shows this in his book but I also found to primary plans of it one being the Elizebeth and ,Montagues. I like Elizebeth wale and also her other planking that Montaguplanking is taken after her. Being that I don't have any ideally of which type was applied, felt safe following her's. Now when it came to the thickness of this planking I decided to do it in two layers both being applied hook anchor type planking. Doing the first layer like this gave me a chance to practice before I layed the outside layer and once it was done,it was dyed black and given a coat or two of wax. I wanted a black wale but didn't want to mess with ebony and one can not tell the difference when you look at it with ebony laying next to it. Another one of those interesting items that was fun to do.






 





 



 

To add to what Mark as said, this comes from David Lyon's book the The Sailing Navy List, All Ships of the Royal Navy, Built purchase and captured.
 
A Note on Rebuilding and on Establishments.
 
At this stage in the story of the development of the sailing warship it is as well to clarify the way in which the two word rebuilding and Establishment are used here. The full story of the change of sense in which the former was used has been clarified by Brian Lavery, and the present author's researches have certainly confirmed the picture he has drawn. In outline form this is as follows. Up to the beginning of the War of Spanish Suyccession (1702) ships that were getting old, worn out, rotten or old fashioned would be rebuilt by being put in dry dock, taken to pieces to a greater or lesser extent, and then the good timbers reused in the rebuilt vessel. Rotten timbers would be stripped out and replace, and the pooortunity might well be taken to modify the lines, insert more frames(and therefore lengthen the ship)or to make other alterations to the shape, size or structure of the ship. The resemblance of the result to what had been there before was variable quality, but basically the term rebuild was and accurate description of what had been done. It is therefore fair to presume a degree of continuity between the ship before and after its rebuild.
 
From 1702 this is no longer the case. Because of the need to use the comparatively small numbers of docks available for wartime repairs and refits it was undesirable for them to be occupied by a vessel undergoing rebuild-a necessarily long drawn out process. Instead, the operation was reallocated to slipways in place of docks. Increasingly, the ship might be taken to pieces on one slip and the rebuild on another, not always even in the same dockyard. Some timbers from the old vessel might be used in the rebuilt one, but in effect the operation became an administrative fiction for building a new ship. Ships continued to be described as being rebuilt into the 1740's when the pressures of a new war caused the term to be abandoned. It should be made clear the that contemporary documents then(and later) make a clear distinction between rebuilds on the one hand and Great, Middling and Small repairs on the other. Normally, the repair did not involve a major change in the ship, through there are a few exceptional cases in which dimension and/or appearance might change, and a very few when some sources use the word repair when the others use rebuild. In this work, when there is doubt the operation has been treated as a rebuild, and rebuilds are treated as new ships by being given separate entries, though it should be borne in mind that pre-1702(and therefore for all the ships in Chapter 1 and the majority noted in Chapter 2)there is a strong through variable element of continuity which diminishes rapidly after that date.
 
Brain Lavery does give a good explantion of this in his book, The ship of the line Vol 1 page 64.
 
Gary

Thanks guys your words mean a lot and does help one to keep going. As far as the next update it is the ledges and carlings of the gun deck. As with every thing else it does take awhile to get all the parts and pieces installed.







 
 
 
 

Thanks every one. I have not given up on my log and thought it was time for another update, this time moving up to the gun deck. As am trying to do the gun ports first before adding the outside planking, which sort of slow's down things some what. I have also uploaded a photo showing a close up of one port showing how the English would have fitted the upper and lower cills to the frames. Once these were done then the beams were laid followed by ledges, knees, carlings and other items that was built on this deck.

Hello Alexandru. I know this has been brought up before but just some food for thought on the beakhead bulkhead raised platform. For me I don't think that Victory or other 90 to 100 gun ships had this platform. My reason are that plans of the Victory as well as others such as the Princess Royal of 1773,Ville de Paris of 1788, don't show this raised platform. My thinking is that the raised platform didn't come about on Victory till after they redid the bow turning it in to a round bow minius the whole beakhead itself. The upper deck went all the way fwd and was even with the main rail of the head work making ever thing on a even keel. There really was't any need for this small raised platform. Once the Victory bow was redone, as she looks today, it show's the beakhead buckhead, along with the  raised platform. Do believe that some of the authors that has been posted,do not show the small platform because plans and other primary reseach doesn't show this. Here are some photo's of the plans I have of Victory going back to her first drawing which came from the Danish NMM. Also one from the English NMM and one out of Bugler book. One thing you will noticed is the primary plan doesn't show the small platform. You will also notice the plan of Victory with all of her carvings also doesn't show this small deck. It's not till you see the plan by Buglar that shows this. This might also explain why the round houses and collums go down two feet more. I have also added a photo of Alfred that does show the raised platform which was a common item on ships of 74 guns. It seems that if they had this raised platform it seems that primary plans would show this. If you look in Rob Napier book Legacy of a Ship model, on page 89, 90,91 and 92 how it shows the upper deck going all the way fwd and no small raised platform. Do hope that this is some food for thought on this small raised deck that raises a lot of question about did she or didn't she. Some food for thought sir.
 
Gary

Well guys, after finally getting all the gun deck ports cut in and the framing of the gun deck done I went to work on the out side of the hull installing the main wale. Montagu main wale was four strakes of 8 1/2 inch thick planks, with the upper two being locked together and the bottom two being locked together. When I mean locked together am talking about a hook anchor type of plank. Peter Goodwin shows this in his book but I also found to primary plans of it one being the Elizebeth and ,Montagues. I like Elizebeth wale and also her other planking that Montaguplanking is taken after her. Being that I don't have any ideally of which type was applied, felt safe following her's. Now when it came to the thickness of this planking I decided to do it in two layers both being applied hook anchor type planking. Doing the first layer like this gave me a chance to practice before I layed the outside layer and once it was done,it was dyed black and given a coat or two of wax. I wanted a black wale but didn't want to mess with ebony and one can not tell the difference when you look at it with ebony laying next to it. Another one of those interesting items that was fun to do.






 





 



 

Well guys, after finally getting all the gun deck ports cut in and the framing of the gun deck done I went to work on the out side of the hull installing the main wale. Montagu main wale was four strakes of 8 1/2 inch thick planks, with the upper two being locked together and the bottom two being locked together. When I mean locked together am talking about a hook anchor type of plank. Peter Goodwin shows this in his book but I also found to primary plans of it one being the Elizebeth and ,Montagues. I like Elizebeth wale and also her other planking that Montaguplanking is taken after her. Being that I don't have any ideally of which type was applied, felt safe following her's. Now when it came to the thickness of this planking I decided to do it in two layers both being applied hook anchor type planking. Doing the first layer like this gave me a chance to practice before I layed the outside layer and once it was done,it was dyed black and given a coat or two of wax. I wanted a black wale but didn't want to mess with ebony and one can not tell the difference when you look at it with ebony laying next to it. Another one of those interesting items that was fun to do.






 





 



 

Well guys, after finally getting all the gun deck ports cut in and the framing of the gun deck done I went to work on the out side of the hull installing the main wale. Montagu main wale was four strakes of 8 1/2 inch thick planks, with the upper two being locked together and the bottom two being locked together. When I mean locked together am talking about a hook anchor type of plank. Peter Goodwin shows this in his book but I also found to primary plans of it one being the Elizebeth and ,Montagues. I like Elizebeth wale and also her other planking that Montaguplanking is taken after her. Being that I don't have any ideally of which type was applied, felt safe following her's. Now when it came to the thickness of this planking I decided to do it in two layers both being applied hook anchor type planking. Doing the first layer like this gave me a chance to practice before I layed the outside layer and once it was done,it was dyed black and given a coat or two of wax. I wanted a black wale but didn't want to mess with ebony and one can not tell the difference when you look at it with ebony laying next to it. Another one of those interesting items that was fun to do.






 





 



 

Hello Alexandru. I know this has been brought up before but just some food for thought on the beakhead bulkhead raised platform. For me I don't think that Victory or other 90 to 100 gun ships had this platform. My reason are that plans of the Victory as well as others such as the Princess Royal of 1773,Ville de Paris of 1788, don't show this raised platform. My thinking is that the raised platform didn't come about on Victory till after they redid the bow turning it in to a round bow minius the whole beakhead itself. The upper deck went all the way fwd and was even with the main rail of the head work making ever thing on a even keel. There really was't any need for this small raised platform. Once the Victory bow was redone, as she looks today, it show's the beakhead buckhead, along with the  raised platform. Do believe that some of the authors that has been posted,do not show the small platform because plans and other primary reseach doesn't show this. Here are some photo's of the plans I have of Victory going back to her first drawing which came from the Danish NMM. Also one from the English NMM and one out of Bugler book. One thing you will noticed is the primary plan doesn't show the small platform. You will also notice the plan of Victory with all of her carvings also doesn't show this small deck. It's not till you see the plan by Buglar that shows this. This might also explain why the round houses and collums go down two feet more. I have also added a photo of Alfred that does show the raised platform which was a common item on ships of 74 guns. It seems that if they had this raised platform it seems that primary plans would show this. If you look in Rob Napier book Legacy of a Ship model, on page 89, 90,91 and 92 how it shows the upper deck going all the way fwd and no small raised platform. Do hope that this is some food for thought on this small raised deck that raises a lot of question about did she or didn't she. Some food for thought sir.
 
Gary

Well guys, after finally getting all the gun deck ports cut in and the framing of the gun deck done I went to work on the out side of the hull installing the main wale. Montagu main wale was four strakes of 8 1/2 inch thick planks, with the upper two being locked together and the bottom two being locked together. When I mean locked together am talking about a hook anchor type of plank. Peter Goodwin shows this in his book but I also found to primary plans of it one being the Elizebeth and ,Montagues. I like Elizebeth wale and also her other planking that Montaguplanking is taken after her. Being that I don't have any ideally of which type was applied, felt safe following her's. Now when it came to the thickness of this planking I decided to do it in two layers both being applied hook anchor type planking. Doing the first layer like this gave me a chance to practice before I layed the outside layer and once it was done,it was dyed black and given a coat or two of wax. I wanted a black wale but didn't want to mess with ebony and one can not tell the difference when you look at it with ebony laying next to it. Another one of those interesting items that was fun to do.






 





 



 

Thanks guys your words mean a lot and does help one to keep going. As far as the next update it is the ledges and carlings of the gun deck. As with every thing else it does take awhile to get all the parts and pieces installed.







 
 
 
 

Well guys, after finally getting all the gun deck ports cut in and the framing of the gun deck done I went to work on the out side of the hull installing the main wale. Montagu main wale was four strakes of 8 1/2 inch thick planks, with the upper two being locked together and the bottom two being locked together. When I mean locked together am talking about a hook anchor type of plank. Peter Goodwin shows this in his book but I also found to primary plans of it one being the Elizebeth and ,Montagues. I like Elizebeth wale and also her other planking that Montaguplanking is taken after her. Being that I don't have any ideally of which type was applied, felt safe following her's. Now when it came to the thickness of this planking I decided to do it in two layers both being applied hook anchor type planking. Doing the first layer like this gave me a chance to practice before I layed the outside layer and once it was done,it was dyed black and given a coat or two of wax. I wanted a black wale but didn't want to mess with ebony and one can not tell the difference when you look at it with ebony laying next to it. Another one of those interesting items that was fun to do.






 





 



 

Well guys, after finally getting all the gun deck ports cut in and the framing of the gun deck done I went to work on the out side of the hull installing the main wale. Montagu main wale was four strakes of 8 1/2 inch thick planks, with the upper two being locked together and the bottom two being locked together. When I mean locked together am talking about a hook anchor type of plank. Peter Goodwin shows this in his book but I also found to primary plans of it one being the Elizebeth and ,Montagues. I like Elizebeth wale and also her other planking that Montaguplanking is taken after her. Being that I don't have any ideally of which type was applied, felt safe following her's. Now when it came to the thickness of this planking I decided to do it in two layers both being applied hook anchor type planking. Doing the first layer like this gave me a chance to practice before I layed the outside layer and once it was done,it was dyed black and given a coat or two of wax. I wanted a black wale but didn't want to mess with ebony and one can not tell the difference when you look at it with ebony laying next to it. Another one of those interesting items that was fun to do.






 





 



 

Well guys, after finally getting all the gun deck ports cut in and the framing of the gun deck done I went to work on the out side of the hull installing the main wale. Montagu main wale was four strakes of 8 1/2 inch thick planks, with the upper two being locked together and the bottom two being locked together. When I mean locked together am talking about a hook anchor type of plank. Peter Goodwin shows this in his book but I also found to primary plans of it one being the Elizebeth and ,Montagues. I like Elizebeth wale and also her other planking that Montaguplanking is taken after her. Being that I don't have any ideally of which type was applied, felt safe following her's. Now when it came to the thickness of this planking I decided to do it in two layers both being applied hook anchor type planking. Doing the first layer like this gave me a chance to practice before I layed the outside layer and once it was done,it was dyed black and given a coat or two of wax. I wanted a black wale but didn't want to mess with ebony and one can not tell the difference when you look at it with ebony laying next to it. Another one of those interesting items that was fun to do.