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Rob, I don't yet do Apple Pay but I have an established PayPal account.
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Rob, Just as soon as Mike sends them, I'll share them here. Thanks for understanding about the print expenses. Rest assured, costs are not being "padded." This is truly a "non-profit" endeavor. The article is 100% done now. I'm just waiting to see if Mike has those wooden mooring bit pics and to see if he has any further input on the interesting double Decker Wheelhouse ventilator. Either way, this Thursday is submission day.
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Rob, Vladimir, Druxey, et all: Based on Druxey's sensible advice, I went to Oddo Printing here in Torrington and got a much clearer result, which you can see here. I also revised the description of the overhead view of Glory's bow and f'o'csle to "plan view." Mike told me that the mooring bits on her f'o'csle were actually wooden rectangular with metal trim at the corners. He has photos and said he'll share them with us. I have until this Thursday to meet the July 1st deadline to wait. Now I have a bit of a quandry. Better prints run $15.00 each. I already have plenty of the $3.00 Staples prints ready to share and can absorb expenses for those which are pretty decent. Sending out a bunch of prints at $15.00 a piece gets to be quite expensive. So guys, let me who would appreciate getting a print with the finer details.
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Rob, Vladimir, Druxey, Banyan et all, Here are two Glory of the Seas hull images I recently shared with Michael Mjelde. Interestingly, his only comment was that both bits on her forecastle were constructed of wood and rectangular, with metal corners. He intends to send me a photo. At this point I hadn't planned on including the ventral bow forecastle view but I've reconsidered and now will do so. Meanwhile I've also included my conceptual sketch of the most likely appearance of her rear wheelhouse split-level slanting ventilator. Now that I've heard back from Mike about a small detail like her forecastle bits, I'm also going to send my interpretation of this fascinating structure too and ask if he has any images that either confirm or refute this interpretation.
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Jared, Nice way to "bury the lead". Congratulations on your somewhat recent wedding! I hope you are as happy and fulfilled with your lovely bride as I have been with Peggy my wife and best friend. Just remember "happy wife, happy life." It's true! I'm looking forward to eventually seeing progress on your own project.
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Rob, Glorious, glorious! Your stern truly reflects the stunning beauty of Glory of the Seas. Very nicely done. So lovely.
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Rob, Thanks for the generous compliment. I think the work of this group will revolutionize the understanding of the authentic beauty of McKay's Clipper Glory of the Seas. In addition, I honestly believe that the models that you and Vladimir are constructing are finally, for the first time ever, reproducing faithful replicas of a McKay Clipper.
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Rob, Vladimir, Druxey, et all: Staples came through for me and properly realigned the print scanned yesterday. Attentive people will notice it's a little narrower now since it would have had white spaces at the top of each mast due to reorientation to level. At this point, I'll probably do 10 prints, so I'll have a few extra. This will be on decent ordinary paper. It's a premium of $20.00 to get the stiffer poster type paper. To me it's not worth that much more, since even this scan still blurs some of the finer details.
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Rob, Vlad, Druxey, Banyan et all, In final preperation for the very soon to be submitted Nautical Research Journal article, I've corrected all minor mistakes and darkened the outline of my 11" x 43" 1:96th scale Clipper Glory of the Seas sketch. The first effort of Staples to scan the original came out crooked, so I will probably need to get it scanned again. Meanwhile I took a picture of it and did my best to correct the mistake as well as convert it to a jpg image to share. Once I get this to the point where it's exactly right, I can make as many prints as I want for $3.00 each. I plan on sending 3 to Mike (one for him, another for Arina and a third for Ron Haug) then one each for Ron and Vlad. Druxey, I'm planning on sending you one, so I'll need your address, unless you prefer not. That leaves the current count at 7 (including 1 for myself) Pat or if anyone else wants one, just send me a message. The first image shared here still isn't level but shows the entire sketch. I did finally get it level but just slightly cut off the very tip of the jibboom. Rest assured, the one going into the magazine article most definitely will be level and complete.
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Rob, A factor of your construction process that I find a bit confusing has to do with the structural reinforcement of the foremast tied into the bow and bowsprit. I would think that you would have normally chosen to install this significant spar for the added strength provided to the support of both the main and mizzen mast. I can understand not mounting the yardarms on the foremast but to not step the foremast itself and tying this powerful structural component to the bow as well as the bowsprit too, with the additional tension provided by that installation is what I wonder about. I would be concerned about possibly over tensioning the rigging your doing now once the foremast with its yards is eventually installed and rigged. Just curious as to your rigging process choice. Either way, as you proceed, your Glory of the Seas is shaping up to be the most spectacular, museum quality, faithfully precise replica ever produced. I am in awe of your meticulous rigging process.
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George, Thanks for sharing your topmast build process in such specific detail. Addition of brass reinforcement which will be well disguised is a brilliant solution for such delicate trestle tree work. Great artisan quality work!
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Rob, As I view the ever growing gossamer labyrinth of rigging on your spectacular Clipper Glory of the Seas, it occured to me that so far you have yet to run any of the fore and aft block & tackle lines that would normally turn these massive yards into the wind. This must be part of your deliberate plan to address all of the other lines you have already rigged, basically supporting the vertical movement of the yards. It also means she will be an even more impressive vessel with these seemingly endless, potentially bewildering lines. From what you so masterfully described of your process so far, it sounds like you're working from the top down, with the highest lines belaying further out and lower lines belaying closer in. I also repeat my sincere hope that you're maintaining some sort of organizing chart of this amazing rigging process. I'm sure Vlad would echo this sentiment. Continue working your magic!
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Rob, Just magnificent work! I remember thinking when I saw the stunning height of her mizzen mast, how tall that structure looked. Now, compared to her fore and main mast, the mizzen looks positively diminutive! All I can think of, is how this must have been such a mind bending experience to actually view McKay's Clipper Glory of the Seas in person! Simply amazing...
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Rob, Thanks. Of all reconstructions I've done so far, this has been the most challenging. I do know though that, since I've seen such intricate, antique woodwork on large pieces of furniture, this approaches those works. It will be interesting to see how this actually looks on your model.
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Rob, Vladimir, Druxey, Pat It made my eyes blurry at times but I finally finished the Stern scrollwork arch over Glory of the Seas. Usually such work is done by tracing one side reversing and repeating it on the other side. I just freehand drew the right Starboard side to visually match the left Port one. Since I drew the Port side first, my suggestion would be to use it as your source and then reverse it to make the opposite side match exactly.
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Vladimir, You're welcome. I'm going to finish Glory's Stern scrollwork, Mike's upper forecastle view and darkening the large 1:96 scale hull drawing, which is now as accurate as it can be made. Then it all goes to NRJ for publication.
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Pat, thanks! I appreciate the compliments.
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Rob, as non other than genius Albert Einstein himself wryly pointed out: "If a cluttered desk is a sign of a cluttered mind, of what, then is an empty desk a sign?" FYI: congratulations for being recognized, even if it's a back-hand slap!
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Druxey, It will be interesting to see how many images get through. To me a large part of the article is the beautiful pictures which tie it all together coherently. Time will tell.
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Rob, Thanks for the compliment. The next project I'm concentrating on is to finish the scrollwork. It's challenging to do. Once the port side is satisfactorily done, it has to be reversed for the Starboard side. It will be done! 😊
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Rob, Vladimir, Druxey, et all, in final preperation for submitting my 30+ page Nautical Research Journal article, with a hard deadline of June 30th (July 1st per their guidelines). That gives me 2 weeks to finish. Here are 3 finished pieces: Glory of the Seas rear coach house ornate front fascia. Skylights with the correct 6 panes Wheelhouse split-level ventilator Stern letters & carving, in process
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MikeR, I'm constantly impressed with the high level of vision, craftsmanship and artisan abilities of modeling I'm privileged to observe on these pages. For a couple years now, Rob, Vladimir and I have been in the most exhaustive reconstruction of McKay's final Medium Clipper Glory of the Seas. Why should that concern you in your Flying Fish build? There's been major structural components of the McKay bow which I know for a fact, have been largely ignored by the modeling community. Why this is, I don't know but since there exists enough documentary and visual evidence to correct the issue, I've been endeavoring to share this. In his evaluation of the rugged construction of the prow of Donald McKay's second Extreme Clipper Flying Cloud in his April 25, 1851 Boston Daily Atlas article Duncan MacLean described his impression of this unique maritime invention: "She has neither head nor trail boards, but forming the extreme, where the line of the planksheer and the carved work on the naval hoods terminate, she has the full figure of an angel on the wing, with a trumpet raised to her mouth." further on he describes his evaluation of this construct: "Her hood ends are bolted alternately from either side, through each other and the stem, so that the loss of her cutwater would not affect her safety or cause a leak." I've added the italics to emphasize a point. If you look at any model of Flying Cloud you won't find either naval hoods or cutwater. Rob and I are now convinced that's due to these clever devices being intentionally hidden by the inventor himself. Any doubt can be cleared up by looking at the lines of his 1854 Extreme Clipper Lightning. Where her bow stem should be completed, there's literally nothing, just open space. In conclusion, since his Extreme Clipper Flying Fish was his fourth such large vessel after the Clipper Packet Staffordshire it's doubtful McKay would have abandoned such a successful construction. Since it carried all the way to his final sailing ship, it's logical to believe that Flying Fish also incorporated both nautical devices. Attached is the original sheer and body lines plan of Flying Fish from the Bergen, Sjorfortsmuseum, Norway of all places. It's an original tracing of Flying Fish. Excluded are the 16" fancy rail above the main rail molding, as well as the cutwater and naval hoods. I've shared my conjectural sketch overlaying this original tracing, drawn to scale with her 18" inner bowsprit, naval hoods, cutwater and figurehead. A more lifelike image of a possible flying fish figurehead is also included. It's my belief that this makes much more sense than tacking on the flying fish figurehead onto a bare stem, which is how most completed models have done.
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Rob, Having been on several tall ships, I've been able to see these rope coils first hand. Believe me, the realism you're portraying is first rate. Your replica would look odd and unfinished without them. And it's a tribute to your meticulous attention to all the little details.
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Rob, just a dumb process question. Can't you put in rope coils after you secure lines, at least some of them? That way, wouldn't it relieve you of some of that challenging, I've got to imagine tricky 1 ft tweezer work? Or, does doing it that way slow down your process even more than they way your doing it now?
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Rob, Unless someone has stood on the deck of a tall ship and stared straight up at the apparently bewildering latticework of complex blocks, tackles and practically limitless lines, they cannot fully comprehend how incredibly faithful to an actual sailing ship your work is. Looking intently at these images brings me back several years to when I was standing on the deck of the venerable Frigate USS Constitution "Old Ironsides." I remember craning my neck backwards as I stood behind the main mast. There's something just so relaxing to view those lofty masts and powerful yardarms. I get that exact same feeling now as I review your pictures. Well done indeed. Qq
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