Bill97
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Ok Kirill4 my friend. I think I have the bowsprit rigged a way that makes much more since. I think this is how you indicated in your diagram. 👍 Now to get an understanding of these knights. 😊 Thanks again Bill
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Yeah Kirill4 since you mentioned it I continue to look at 6 and 7 as well. I see no reason for them or what they may have thinking. I included a photo of my English man o war showing how that was done. Will also check out the correct rigging of the knights.
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Kirill4 I do have the Heller 1/100 HMS Victory in my stash of models to build in the future as I get more and more knowledgeable. I understand it is one of the most detailed plastic model ships on the market. I will definitely employ many of your techniques in that build someday in the distant future!
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Thank you again Kirill4 for the information and advice. The rigging in the photo is as shown in the assembly instructions that I followed. See the picture of the instructions below. I have to say I probably build my models with a combination of out of the box instructions (both building and rigging) using the supplied materials refined to correct for some authenticity where obviously needed. Case in point being fixing the dramatic angle of the bowsprit. I like the pleasure of building my ships to be inviting displays for me to enjoy looking at. I also enjoy for other people to admire and enjoying seeing them. People who don’t know a thing about rigging. People who don’t know a shroud from a lanyard, or a mainstay from a ratlines. People who just like seeing the detail work without knowing or caring if it is 100% accurate. I am more about the relaxing enjoyment of spending time lost in my little world of building a beautiful ship than I am in adding the stress and anxiety over wanting to make sure every line, block and piece or of the authentic size, color, and scale. I think the work you do is incredible and I so much appreciate your advice and guidance. Please keep it coming. I am learning a lot as I work through this build. I can fully understand how someone with your knowledge and skill level could be frustrated seeing a lack of authenticity in the work of others with less skill, like me. I want my hobby to stay an enjoyment and not become an obligation to authenticity that might rob me of the enjoyment. Please continue to provide your advice and information. I honestly appreciate it. Sometimes I will use it and make changes. Other times I will just leave it as the out of box instructions say. Thanks again Kirill4.
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After removing the incorrectly installed shrouds I decided to work on the standing rigging. I do have some very dark thread in a few different sizes so I was able to use it.
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Next Trumpeter issue. They only supply two sizes of thread for rigging. One thin and one thick. Both tan. No black. I know standing rigging was black and running rigging was tan. Should I purchase two sizes of black thread, dye some of the tan, or just go all tan?
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Loop around the top of mast like this, right? I suppose their should actually be no rigging around the base of the top mast like I had it? Never gave that any thought before.
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Kirill4 now I see what I did wrong. Thanks. Shroud loop should be around the top of the main part of mast. Where I am pointing with the pencil. That makes complete since.
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Ok gentlemen I am confused. What are you telling me? These are the assembly instructions I am following. Is this wrong?
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Completed a little more rigging and started installing the lower deadeyes for the shrouds. The Trumpeter model did not come with molded or otherwise supplied chains to attach the bottom deadeyes to the hull! I have some small link chain so I decided to use it. I attached a short length to each deadeye, ran the chain down through the support on the side of the ship and inserted it into a small hole I drilled in the hull below each deadeye. I antiqued the chain with a little black wash and rust color. I also added a little trail of weathered stain below each chain on the side of the ship. I then attached the pairs of lower shrouds to the mast. I will be using the piece of wood jig technique to establish the proper position for the upper deadeyes that I will tie the shrouds too.
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Got my new bowsprit painted and installed along with the sprit sail yard and a little rigging! Thanks guys for your help and advice. Not sure how new builders can do it without help from guys like you.
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Thanks gentlemen. That is helpful information. Will follow assembly instructions showing rigging lines tied to rails. kirill4 I have my new bowsprit made from wood. I measured the angle and length of the bowsprit on the Golden Hind to get the right measurements. After I paint it I think it will work much better.
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What is also interesting about this model is there is only one pin rail on the entire model and it is at the base of the foremast. No others along the inside of the hull walls. Also no other belaying pins anywhere else on the ship. Assembly instructions have all the rigging lines tied to rails on the ship.
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Kirill4 do not apologize for your translation. It is fine. I have been able to follow your advice without issue. I do have the Golden Hind rigging instructions. I have that model still unopened. Planned for the future. Will get the instructions out to view rigging.
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Kirill4 are the model pictures you are including in this discussion pictures from models you have completed? If so, your work is incredible! Even the precision in your rigging lines is fantastic. The more I work with this Trumpeter Mayflower the more I am thinking it does lack authenticity. I am going to make a longer bowsprit. After you mentioned it, I checked and it is to short. In looking ahead in the instructions I also see the rigging is pretty limited as compared to my other builds and photos of the Mayflower II replica. A definite benefit of building this ship has been my learning to fabricate corrections. Learning a lot from you and others. I plan to use the rigging instructions that I used to rig my English Man O War to rig the Mayflower. It may not be totally authentic but will definitely look better than the minimal rigging included in the instructions.
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Thanks Ian. That helps a lot. I have the model now and will start it in the next few months. Your case size will be the same size I make my case. It will fit perfectly in the space I have planned for it. Will fit in the bottom left to go along with my USS Constitution, Cutty Sark, and English Man O War.
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Thanks again kirill4. I did not check the length of the bowsprit. It is just what the out of the box length is. I think I am learning Trumpeter ship models may lack some authentic. This Mayflower is my first Trumpeter model. Over all I think the pieces are high quality but the overall model lacks accuracy. I now understand what you meant by your he position of the he bowsprit. Since I have not glued it in place or repaired the forward bulkhead yet, if you were me would you move it again to your positioning or just leave it alone now? Could you explain making the parrels for yard attachment?
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Now for my next issue going forward. Something new with Trumpeter. There are no designated places molded into the yards or masts for connecting them together. On other models there was a “C” shaped mold on the back of the yard that would go around the mast at the appropriate place. This model does not have that. How do you attach the yards to the mast in this case?
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Thanks kirill4. I have made corrections to the model which will align the bowsprit correctly. I cut a new hole in the forward bulkhead to accept the modified end of the bowsprit forward of the hatch door. I removed two sections of the grating and cut an elongated hole in the beakhead. These two steps will allow for proper placement of the gammoning rope. Now I will need to do repair sanding and repainting of the forward bulkhead to hopefully disguise where I made the changes. As far as the main hatch being off center I guess I will just live with that. That would be major work to try to change that. Thanks Kirill4 for the book information. I have access to a good number of books on the ship. Will let you know if I could use what you have.
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This is my English Man O War. Similar design and era. I think I can scratch build a change on the Mayflower to about this angle for the bowsprit. We will see.
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Found a number of pictures of the Mayflower II on line (replica of the original ship). Photos clearly show bowsprit coming straight forward as you guys say. Not sure what Trumpeter was thinking. Will have to do some changes.
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That was my exact curiosity. As you can see in the assembly instructions Trumpeter clearly shows the bowsprit angled across the front and the whole that the end of the bowsprit goes in is clearly off center. All of my previous builds had the bowsprit straight forward as you guys show. I agree with you but wondered if ships of Mayflower design had it angled? I completed painting the ship. Like the way it came out. Ready to start the masts. Got to figure out this bowsprit configuration first. Also, Trumpeter did not include glue points or other molded connection points for attaching the yards to the masts. Just a round yard and a round mast. Any advice on how to attach them together if you have experienced this same issue?
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Thanks guys. I have not painted or mounted it yet but this is how the pieces line up. Does this look correct?
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A little work on the front of the Mayflower today. I really like how she is coming along. Looking ahead in the assembly instructions I notice that the bowsprit is angled instead of straight and parallel with the ship. Does anyone know why this ship, and maybe others of that period, had the bowsprit this way?
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