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The process for painting and mounting the oars was simple. They only needed to be cleaned up and straightened in some cases, and painted.
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Okay, after a few months away from this build I have had the opportunity to make some decisions. Decision #1: The scale of the model will be anything that produces a model between 2 and 4 feet in length. The scale is going to be subservient to overall size, not the other way around. This is going to be important later, as I have ideas for a solution to the hull design problem. Decision #2: The hull will have to be bought, and there are several reasons why. Firstly, I have come to the realization after seeing some of Vaddoc's builds that you really need some kind of CAD software to accurately reproduce a smack-type hull, which I do not have. Basing the model off of a pre-built (or pre-formed) hull will greatly increase the accuracy of the model, over my own mickey-moused calculations. Sarik Hobbies in the UK has some great pre-formed hulls that I could transform. I have significant amounts of experience, both on and off the forum, with modifying kit hulls to accommodate scratch-builds, so this should be the best option. Decision #3: I will be using primarily pilot cutters as sources for this model, instead of fishing and oyster smacks or other types of coastal vessels. This way, accuracy to a given type of vessel can be ensured. I might also be using significant amounts of plastic card instead of just wood for the deck fittings. Here's a picture of a glass-reinforced plastic hull that might work: Do we think it's close enough?
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Kind of. I am rethinking what I will do for the hull, I am thinking glass reinforced plastic. I'll pick the build log back up at some point to explain.
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Albeit, there are over a hundred blocks and more that forty lines on this model. One of the most complex lateeners there is.
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Ferrus Manus replied to Clan McKay's topic in New member Introductions
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Yesterday and today, I made the main yard's braces and vangs, and finished the ship's rope coils. Thus ends the rigging phase of the Reale's construction. Both lee vangs are slack, which can't be seen in the photos. The next thing to do is make and mount the "decorative fabrics" of the Reale (the waistcloth, awning, flags, etc) probably starting with the awning.
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The final display spot for the Reale, when it is eventually finished, will be right above my work area. I finished both sets of crows feet for the mainsail. I also figured out that if you align paper in a printer just right, and put the images in the center of a Google doc, you can print two-sided flags on one sheet of paper. This only works for flags that are bilaterally symmetrical on the left-right axis. I also tried printing flags on multiple types of silkspan, and this worked better. The first flag is the royal standard of the King of France, and the other three are the Royal Galley Corps standard. Other than that, digital galley-specific flags are ridiculously hard to find. I couldn't find a pennant version of the galley standard, nor could I find the actual flag of the Reale herself. I think the Heller-supplied flags are pretty much worthless and would detract from an otherwise not terrible model.
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My last bits of progress on this model were the main tack lines and the main parrels.
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I figured I would start my research here, on MSW. I am currently a college student studying history, and I plan to focus those studies into nautical archaeology. Does anyone here know of any good nautical archaeology internship programs in the United States? If so, what are the best ones? Any information would be helpful. @ccoyle I might have put this topic in the wrong section.
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The fore parrels and associated tackles: How I set up the fore and main halyards and associated gear: many modelers forget to add a realistic amount of line in their rope coils. In reality, these ships would have been a mess of rigging on deck.
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Another issue I would like to address right now instead of later is the oars. Multicolored oars are relatively rare in Reale models (and galley models in general). I could either paint them blue, white, red or any kind of wood color in their entirety. I will likely end up going with what's shown in the painting, which is dark blue oars in their entirety.
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I also found a display spot right above the work area on a shelf. That means the ship will be looked at from the bottom up, which will expose some of the exquisite detail work to the eye, and hide some of the uglier deck details and the railings assuming I put waistcloth on. This also means I might be able to put an awning on the back of the ship without obscuring the gold supports and frame timbers.
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Hello boys, I'M BAAAAACKK!!! I apologize for taking almost 2 months off of this project. I decided to work on two off-forum small projects during that time, a small tugboat and a tiny oyster lugger. Anyways, yesterday I managed to get the mainsail penciled in, cut out and riddled with the holes it will need for rigging, and bent to the main yard. I glued the yard to the mast and temporarily rigged part of the main lift. I temporarily put the ship's smaller boat onto the boat gallows so I could see how the boat and the sail interact. The boat ever so slightly fouls the sail, but I wanted the main yard to sit lower on the mast because otherwise it looked too high up off the deck. I probably won't rig the halyard until the reef points, blocks, and some other stuff is put in.
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Naval History On This Day, Any Nation
Ferrus Manus replied to Kevin's topic in Nautical/Naval History
I know I'm a day late to post this, but... On November 10th, 1975, the ore freighter Edmund Fitzgerald was lost with all hands in a freak storm on Lake Superior. The sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald was forever memorialized in Gordon Lightfoot's famous ballad. -
I can't believe there's another person on this forum who LOVES modifying ships' boats from kits! If you want tips and techniques, I'm your guy.
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Good research, Steven! If I may ask, can I see your sources? I assume all of them are meditterranean carracks.
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Representations are just that- representations. The representations of the Lomellina ship I have seen have all been wildly inaccurate. I was not claiming swivel guns were found. Neither article I read mentioned swivel guns. I was coming at it from a perspective of assuming the carrack was used as a warship (see the gunports) and might have had the gunwale built to accommodate anti-personnel pieces. I am aware that a Tumblr post (as well as any news report) is likely to be wrong in many significant ways. It is likely that both are true- the ship likely had her own armament, and was carrying large-wheeled land guns for use in the latter stages of the Italian Wars.
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Remains of 500 year-old shipwreck: Dated 2019
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I say she needs a bonaventure. This article mentions a total length of 46.12 meters, or 151.31 feet. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10572414.2023.2186748#d1e587 The Santa Catarina do Monte Sinai was 38 meters, or 124.67 feet. The Mary Rose (or what we know of her length) as per World History Encyclopedia, was 38 meters or 105 feet. These are two vessels smaller than Lomellina, both with bonaventures.
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I think the gunwale should be made as if it was actually of intended use, as the Lomellina was discovered with guns. I am not aware as to the details of where those guns would have been situated, or if swivel guns were found. I based the Elisabetta's two guns on those found with the Lomellina wreck. That would mean a gunwale (with no clinker planking extending inwards, as is seen on some other carracks) that reaches about upper chest height, assuming the swivel pieces are positioned directly on the gunwale. The Beat to Quarters Tumblr article mentions 15 wrought iron composite guns found on board the ship as cargo. The article does not mention Lomellina being armed herself, but she had gunports. I don't know if you should trust this article though, because it mentions the Lomellina being a cross between a galley and a carrack. https://ltwilliammowett.tumblr.com/post/665321756962308096/the-lomellina-wreck This article, which is more reputable, mentions ten iron guns and two bronze, but no swivel pieces. https://shiplib.org/index.php/shipwrecks/mediterranean-shipwrecks-2/western-mediterranean/lomelina-1615/
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Fair warning, the forecastle of the museum model looks pretty inaccurate to me. I sure hope yours ends up looking like a carrack instead of mostly a galleon. Reconstructions of the Mary Rose also fall into the same pit.
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Yep! I modeled it after the first image of the original Lomellina, at least partially. The font on the stand is Bembo, a typeface developed for Aldus Manutius in 1495.
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I am very much looking forward to seeing you do this build as well. Perhaps the Lomellina could use the Elisabetta as a companion.
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