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Jaager got a reaction from Dave_E in Recommendations for new member
The NRG has just issued its first PDF only supplement to the NRJ. It is free if your have joined the Guild. If not, 1) give a thought to joining or 2) the cost for the supplement is low enough to be worth worth buying. If nothing else, it gives you a view of what the Journal offers and what the past issue CD's are like. Anyway, in the supplement is an impressive full page ad for the MS Model ShipWright beginner series of models. I have not built them myself, but the feedback from those who have and the overall quality of what MS produces portends that one are all of this series will get you up to speed at a reasonable investment level.
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Jaager got a reaction from JayBee750 in Recommendations for new member
The NRG has just issued its first PDF only supplement to the NRJ. It is free if your have joined the Guild. If not, 1) give a thought to joining or 2) the cost for the supplement is low enough to be worth worth buying. If nothing else, it gives you a view of what the Journal offers and what the past issue CD's are like. Anyway, in the supplement is an impressive full page ad for the MS Model ShipWright beginner series of models. I have not built them myself, but the feedback from those who have and the overall quality of what MS produces portends that one are all of this series will get you up to speed at a reasonable investment level.
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Jaager got a reaction from Ryland Craze in Recommendations for new member
The NRG has just issued its first PDF only supplement to the NRJ. It is free if your have joined the Guild. If not, 1) give a thought to joining or 2) the cost for the supplement is low enough to be worth worth buying. If nothing else, it gives you a view of what the Journal offers and what the past issue CD's are like. Anyway, in the supplement is an impressive full page ad for the MS Model ShipWright beginner series of models. I have not built them myself, but the feedback from those who have and the overall quality of what MS produces portends that one are all of this series will get you up to speed at a reasonable investment level.
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Jaager got a reaction from Canute in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill
To reiterate what is written above:
There is no Arban Book for ship modelling. It is much too broad a topic for that. There is no single source, or even just a few. The best that can be expected is to mimic the hermit crab and grab bits and pieces from as many as you can access.
All of the 3 journals sold here as CD are treasure troves of information and techniques.
Best practice is to find out as much as possible about the original vessels. Then go to school on which aspects you need to replicate at model scale and match your skills and tools to a way to do it. This stands ship modelling apart from other forms and subjects being modeled.
Here is a bib from my library database keyed to your stated interest - I stopped updating in the mid 1990s':
BOATBUILDING 1941
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1969
YACHT DESIGNING AND PLANNING 1936
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1971
AMERICAN SMALL SAILING CRAFT
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1951
AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONERS 1825-1935, THE
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1973
AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONER BENJAMIN W LATHAM, THE
RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR
AMERICAN AND CANADIAN FISHING SCHOONERS -PICTORIAL SUPPL VIII
PEABODY MUSEUM - AMERICAN NEPTUNE SALEM MA
CHESAPEAKE SAILING CRAFT PT.1
BURGESS,ROBERT H TIDEWATER PUBLISHING CAMBRIDGE, MD 1975
CHESAPEAKE BAY CRABBING SKIFFS
CHAPELLE,H I CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM
LAPSTRAKE BOATBUILDING
AMMONS,WALTER J INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUB CAMCEN, ME 1978
CLENCHED LAP OR CLINKER
MCKEE,ERIC NATIONAL MARITME MUSEUM GREENWICH, LONDON 1972
LITLE BOATS,THE INSHORE FISHING CRAFT OF ATLANTIC CANADA
MACKEAN,RAY PERCIVIL,ROBERT BRUNSWICK PRESS FREDERICTON, NEW BRUNSWIC 1979
GLOUCESTER CLIPPER FISHING SCHOONERS
RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR AERO PUBL FALLBROOK, CA 1976
TO BUILD A WHALEBOAT
RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR MODEL SHIPWAYS BOGOTA, NJ 1985
WHALEBOAT ,THE 1850-1970 2ND ED
ANSEL,WILLITS MYSTIC MARITINE MUSEUM MYSTIC, CONN 1983
TANCOOK WHALERS ,THE
POST,ROBERT C MAINE MARITIME MUSEUM BATH, ME 1985
WATERCRAFT MODELER'S HANDBOOK
LANKFORD,BENJAMIN JR NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD INC SILVER SPRING,MD 1988
BUILDING THE BLACKFISH
STORY,DANA TEN POUND ISLAND BOOK CO GLOUCESTER, MA 1988
CHESAPEAKE BAY SCHOONERS
SNEDIKER,QUENTIN JENSEN,ANN TIDEWATER PUBL 1992
CHESAPEAKE BAY LOG CANOES AND BUGEYES
BREWINGTON,M V CORNELL MARITIME PRESS CAMBRIDGE, MD 1963
WORKING WATERCRAFT
GILMER,THOMAS C INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO. CAMDEN, ME 1972
GAFF RIG
LEATHER,JOHN INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO CAMDEN,ME 1970
BUILDING CLASSIC SMALL CRAFT
GARDNER,JOHN INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL 1977
COMMON SENSE OF YACHT DESIGN, THE
HERRESHOFF,L FRANCIS CARAVAN MARITIME BOOKS JAMAICA, NY 1974
DORY BOOK, THE
GARDNER,JOHN INTERNATIONAL MARINE CAMDEN, ME 1978
OYSTERMEN OF THE CHESAPEAKE, THE
DE GAST,ROBERT INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL CAMDEN, ME 1970
BUILDING OF BOATS, THE
PHILLIPS-BIRT,DOUGLAS W W NORTON AND CO NEW YORK 1979
SPRITSAILS AND LUGSAILS
LEATHER,JOHN GRANADA PUBLISHING INC LONDON 1979
UFFA FOX'S SECOND BOOK 1935
FOX,UFFA INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL CAMDEN, ME 1980
SAIL AND OAR
LEATHER,JOHN CONWAY MARITIME PRESS LONDON 1982
CHESAPEAKE BAY SLOOPS
GILLMER,THOMAS C CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM ST MICHAELS, MD 1982
BOATBUILDING MANUAL 2ND EDT
STEWART,ROBERT M INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL CAMDEN, ME 1980
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Jaager got a reaction from AlleyCat in Mini lathe for mast making etc.
Rather than have the wood friction turn at the brass bars, the bars could hold a ball bearing race. They come in a wide range of ID and OD.
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Jaager got a reaction from AlleyCat in Mini lathe for mast making etc.
If you are only going to use it for spars and are not content to use the hand tool - square to octagon etc. method, all that is needed is a motor to turn the stock. If working the stock directly without a tool post or tool rest, a 1/2" drill will turn the stock.
Just build a jig to hold the drill on its back. Another jig to hold an upright stick with a ball bearing race can support the distant end.
Unlike the sort of small lathe that you are evaluating, which will have a way that is shorter than most masts, a drill jig can have any length of one piece way up to 8 feet. Ball bearing races come in a wide variety of ID and shims can make up the difference.
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Jaager got a reaction from thibaultron in Mini lathe for mast making etc.
Rather than have the wood friction turn at the brass bars, the bars could hold a ball bearing race. They come in a wide range of ID and OD.
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Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in Mini lathe for mast making etc.
Rather than have the wood friction turn at the brass bars, the bars could hold a ball bearing race. They come in a wide range of ID and OD.
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Jaager got a reaction from shipman in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans
Siggi,
Goodwin describes a canvas "boot" with a secure rope binding at the top and a on-off rope binding at the deck level. It was tar coated.
The bottom was removable for inspection - especially after a storm. These would likely be at every deck that is subject to flooding. I can't see how the bottom could be tied down unless some sort of wedge - even if loose - was in place.
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Jaager got a reaction from FriedClams in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans
This is a rather mundane topic and would take luck to find in the original literature. So I cut to the chase and went to our version of Grey's Anatomy = Boudriot's 74 gun Ship - The evidence there shows mast wedges for the foremast and mainmast on the main gundeck. The wedges for the mizzenmast are one deck higher. I probably should spring for the English editions now so that it is not pictures only for me.
I did not see anything in Winfield 50 Gun , Goodwin describes the corner chocks and wedges, but does not say how many decks had wedges.
In an actual ship, it would be an interesting exercise of Physics to imagine what are the effects of one pivot point versus two or three.
It is probably too esoteric to matter which you choose - every deck or just one for wedges. You have dug so deeply on other details, I was in effect asking if you had any data on this. The model masts are not going to be sprung in a storm.
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Jaager got a reaction from FriedClams in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans
Another reason for the absence of rails could be that if temporary or situational the addition on a model would not serve much purpose.
If the intended audience was fellow navy they would know already and rails would be fragile clutter on a model.
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Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans
Siggi,
Goodwin describes a canvas "boot" with a secure rope binding at the top and a on-off rope binding at the deck level. It was tar coated.
The bottom was removable for inspection - especially after a storm. These would likely be at every deck that is subject to flooding. I can't see how the bottom could be tied down unless some sort of wedge - even if loose - was in place.
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Jaager got a reaction from Brinkman in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans
This is a rather mundane topic and would take luck to find in the original literature. So I cut to the chase and went to our version of Grey's Anatomy = Boudriot's 74 gun Ship - The evidence there shows mast wedges for the foremast and mainmast on the main gundeck. The wedges for the mizzenmast are one deck higher. I probably should spring for the English editions now so that it is not pictures only for me.
I did not see anything in Winfield 50 Gun , Goodwin describes the corner chocks and wedges, but does not say how many decks had wedges.
In an actual ship, it would be an interesting exercise of Physics to imagine what are the effects of one pivot point versus two or three.
It is probably too esoteric to matter which you choose - every deck or just one for wedges. You have dug so deeply on other details, I was in effect asking if you had any data on this. The model masts are not going to be sprung in a storm.
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Jaager got a reaction from Mark P in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill
It helps to have some perspective about what the hull construction methods were before they published. They cracked open a new world, but both were grounded in vessels well after 1860. They are a very dim light into how vessels before 1860 were built. I consider them a general inspiration, but the specifics for vessels from the real age of sail are best obtained elsewhere.
Davis came from WWI emergency wooden hull construction that was an adaptation of steel engineering techniques back to wood background. It has only the most general similarities with the then lost evolution of traditional hull construction.
They are both best seen as an important but small part of a now very large buffet of information.
Both Petrejus and Longridge should be added to your canon.
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Jaager got a reaction from Keith Black in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans
This is a rather mundane topic and would take luck to find in the original literature. So I cut to the chase and went to our version of Grey's Anatomy = Boudriot's 74 gun Ship - The evidence there shows mast wedges for the foremast and mainmast on the main gundeck. The wedges for the mizzenmast are one deck higher. I probably should spring for the English editions now so that it is not pictures only for me.
I did not see anything in Winfield 50 Gun , Goodwin describes the corner chocks and wedges, but does not say how many decks had wedges.
In an actual ship, it would be an interesting exercise of Physics to imagine what are the effects of one pivot point versus two or three.
It is probably too esoteric to matter which you choose - every deck or just one for wedges. You have dug so deeply on other details, I was in effect asking if you had any data on this. The model masts are not going to be sprung in a storm.
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Jaager got a reaction from Siggi52 in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans
This is a rather mundane topic and would take luck to find in the original literature. So I cut to the chase and went to our version of Grey's Anatomy = Boudriot's 74 gun Ship - The evidence there shows mast wedges for the foremast and mainmast on the main gundeck. The wedges for the mizzenmast are one deck higher. I probably should spring for the English editions now so that it is not pictures only for me.
I did not see anything in Winfield 50 Gun , Goodwin describes the corner chocks and wedges, but does not say how many decks had wedges.
In an actual ship, it would be an interesting exercise of Physics to imagine what are the effects of one pivot point versus two or three.
It is probably too esoteric to matter which you choose - every deck or just one for wedges. You have dug so deeply on other details, I was in effect asking if you had any data on this. The model masts are not going to be sprung in a storm.
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Jaager got a reaction from SaltyNinja in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill
To reiterate what is written above:
There is no Arban Book for ship modelling. It is much too broad a topic for that. There is no single source, or even just a few. The best that can be expected is to mimic the hermit crab and grab bits and pieces from as many as you can access.
All of the 3 journals sold here as CD are treasure troves of information and techniques.
Best practice is to find out as much as possible about the original vessels. Then go to school on which aspects you need to replicate at model scale and match your skills and tools to a way to do it. This stands ship modelling apart from other forms and subjects being modeled.
Here is a bib from my library database keyed to your stated interest - I stopped updating in the mid 1990s':
BOATBUILDING 1941
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1969
YACHT DESIGNING AND PLANNING 1936
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1971
AMERICAN SMALL SAILING CRAFT
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1951
AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONERS 1825-1935, THE
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1973
AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONER BENJAMIN W LATHAM, THE
RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR
AMERICAN AND CANADIAN FISHING SCHOONERS -PICTORIAL SUPPL VIII
PEABODY MUSEUM - AMERICAN NEPTUNE SALEM MA
CHESAPEAKE SAILING CRAFT PT.1
BURGESS,ROBERT H TIDEWATER PUBLISHING CAMBRIDGE, MD 1975
CHESAPEAKE BAY CRABBING SKIFFS
CHAPELLE,H I CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM
LAPSTRAKE BOATBUILDING
AMMONS,WALTER J INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUB CAMCEN, ME 1978
CLENCHED LAP OR CLINKER
MCKEE,ERIC NATIONAL MARITME MUSEUM GREENWICH, LONDON 1972
LITLE BOATS,THE INSHORE FISHING CRAFT OF ATLANTIC CANADA
MACKEAN,RAY PERCIVIL,ROBERT BRUNSWICK PRESS FREDERICTON, NEW BRUNSWIC 1979
GLOUCESTER CLIPPER FISHING SCHOONERS
RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR AERO PUBL FALLBROOK, CA 1976
TO BUILD A WHALEBOAT
RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR MODEL SHIPWAYS BOGOTA, NJ 1985
WHALEBOAT ,THE 1850-1970 2ND ED
ANSEL,WILLITS MYSTIC MARITINE MUSEUM MYSTIC, CONN 1983
TANCOOK WHALERS ,THE
POST,ROBERT C MAINE MARITIME MUSEUM BATH, ME 1985
WATERCRAFT MODELER'S HANDBOOK
LANKFORD,BENJAMIN JR NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD INC SILVER SPRING,MD 1988
BUILDING THE BLACKFISH
STORY,DANA TEN POUND ISLAND BOOK CO GLOUCESTER, MA 1988
CHESAPEAKE BAY SCHOONERS
SNEDIKER,QUENTIN JENSEN,ANN TIDEWATER PUBL 1992
CHESAPEAKE BAY LOG CANOES AND BUGEYES
BREWINGTON,M V CORNELL MARITIME PRESS CAMBRIDGE, MD 1963
WORKING WATERCRAFT
GILMER,THOMAS C INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO. CAMDEN, ME 1972
GAFF RIG
LEATHER,JOHN INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO CAMDEN,ME 1970
BUILDING CLASSIC SMALL CRAFT
GARDNER,JOHN INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL 1977
COMMON SENSE OF YACHT DESIGN, THE
HERRESHOFF,L FRANCIS CARAVAN MARITIME BOOKS JAMAICA, NY 1974
DORY BOOK, THE
GARDNER,JOHN INTERNATIONAL MARINE CAMDEN, ME 1978
OYSTERMEN OF THE CHESAPEAKE, THE
DE GAST,ROBERT INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL CAMDEN, ME 1970
BUILDING OF BOATS, THE
PHILLIPS-BIRT,DOUGLAS W W NORTON AND CO NEW YORK 1979
SPRITSAILS AND LUGSAILS
LEATHER,JOHN GRANADA PUBLISHING INC LONDON 1979
UFFA FOX'S SECOND BOOK 1935
FOX,UFFA INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL CAMDEN, ME 1980
SAIL AND OAR
LEATHER,JOHN CONWAY MARITIME PRESS LONDON 1982
CHESAPEAKE BAY SLOOPS
GILLMER,THOMAS C CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM ST MICHAELS, MD 1982
BOATBUILDING MANUAL 2ND EDT
STEWART,ROBERT M INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL CAMDEN, ME 1980
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Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans
This is a rather mundane topic and would take luck to find in the original literature. So I cut to the chase and went to our version of Grey's Anatomy = Boudriot's 74 gun Ship - The evidence there shows mast wedges for the foremast and mainmast on the main gundeck. The wedges for the mizzenmast are one deck higher. I probably should spring for the English editions now so that it is not pictures only for me.
I did not see anything in Winfield 50 Gun , Goodwin describes the corner chocks and wedges, but does not say how many decks had wedges.
In an actual ship, it would be an interesting exercise of Physics to imagine what are the effects of one pivot point versus two or three.
It is probably too esoteric to matter which you choose - every deck or just one for wedges. You have dug so deeply on other details, I was in effect asking if you had any data on this. The model masts are not going to be sprung in a storm.
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Jaager got a reaction from thibaultron in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill
To reiterate what is written above:
There is no Arban Book for ship modelling. It is much too broad a topic for that. There is no single source, or even just a few. The best that can be expected is to mimic the hermit crab and grab bits and pieces from as many as you can access.
All of the 3 journals sold here as CD are treasure troves of information and techniques.
Best practice is to find out as much as possible about the original vessels. Then go to school on which aspects you need to replicate at model scale and match your skills and tools to a way to do it. This stands ship modelling apart from other forms and subjects being modeled.
Here is a bib from my library database keyed to your stated interest - I stopped updating in the mid 1990s':
BOATBUILDING 1941
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1969
YACHT DESIGNING AND PLANNING 1936
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1971
AMERICAN SMALL SAILING CRAFT
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1951
AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONERS 1825-1935, THE
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1973
AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONER BENJAMIN W LATHAM, THE
RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR
AMERICAN AND CANADIAN FISHING SCHOONERS -PICTORIAL SUPPL VIII
PEABODY MUSEUM - AMERICAN NEPTUNE SALEM MA
CHESAPEAKE SAILING CRAFT PT.1
BURGESS,ROBERT H TIDEWATER PUBLISHING CAMBRIDGE, MD 1975
CHESAPEAKE BAY CRABBING SKIFFS
CHAPELLE,H I CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM
LAPSTRAKE BOATBUILDING
AMMONS,WALTER J INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUB CAMCEN, ME 1978
CLENCHED LAP OR CLINKER
MCKEE,ERIC NATIONAL MARITME MUSEUM GREENWICH, LONDON 1972
LITLE BOATS,THE INSHORE FISHING CRAFT OF ATLANTIC CANADA
MACKEAN,RAY PERCIVIL,ROBERT BRUNSWICK PRESS FREDERICTON, NEW BRUNSWIC 1979
GLOUCESTER CLIPPER FISHING SCHOONERS
RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR AERO PUBL FALLBROOK, CA 1976
TO BUILD A WHALEBOAT
RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR MODEL SHIPWAYS BOGOTA, NJ 1985
WHALEBOAT ,THE 1850-1970 2ND ED
ANSEL,WILLITS MYSTIC MARITINE MUSEUM MYSTIC, CONN 1983
TANCOOK WHALERS ,THE
POST,ROBERT C MAINE MARITIME MUSEUM BATH, ME 1985
WATERCRAFT MODELER'S HANDBOOK
LANKFORD,BENJAMIN JR NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD INC SILVER SPRING,MD 1988
BUILDING THE BLACKFISH
STORY,DANA TEN POUND ISLAND BOOK CO GLOUCESTER, MA 1988
CHESAPEAKE BAY SCHOONERS
SNEDIKER,QUENTIN JENSEN,ANN TIDEWATER PUBL 1992
CHESAPEAKE BAY LOG CANOES AND BUGEYES
BREWINGTON,M V CORNELL MARITIME PRESS CAMBRIDGE, MD 1963
WORKING WATERCRAFT
GILMER,THOMAS C INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO. CAMDEN, ME 1972
GAFF RIG
LEATHER,JOHN INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO CAMDEN,ME 1970
BUILDING CLASSIC SMALL CRAFT
GARDNER,JOHN INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL 1977
COMMON SENSE OF YACHT DESIGN, THE
HERRESHOFF,L FRANCIS CARAVAN MARITIME BOOKS JAMAICA, NY 1974
DORY BOOK, THE
GARDNER,JOHN INTERNATIONAL MARINE CAMDEN, ME 1978
OYSTERMEN OF THE CHESAPEAKE, THE
DE GAST,ROBERT INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL CAMDEN, ME 1970
BUILDING OF BOATS, THE
PHILLIPS-BIRT,DOUGLAS W W NORTON AND CO NEW YORK 1979
SPRITSAILS AND LUGSAILS
LEATHER,JOHN GRANADA PUBLISHING INC LONDON 1979
UFFA FOX'S SECOND BOOK 1935
FOX,UFFA INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL CAMDEN, ME 1980
SAIL AND OAR
LEATHER,JOHN CONWAY MARITIME PRESS LONDON 1982
CHESAPEAKE BAY SLOOPS
GILLMER,THOMAS C CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM ST MICHAELS, MD 1982
BOATBUILDING MANUAL 2ND EDT
STEWART,ROBERT M INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL CAMDEN, ME 1980
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Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill
To reiterate what is written above:
There is no Arban Book for ship modelling. It is much too broad a topic for that. There is no single source, or even just a few. The best that can be expected is to mimic the hermit crab and grab bits and pieces from as many as you can access.
All of the 3 journals sold here as CD are treasure troves of information and techniques.
Best practice is to find out as much as possible about the original vessels. Then go to school on which aspects you need to replicate at model scale and match your skills and tools to a way to do it. This stands ship modelling apart from other forms and subjects being modeled.
Here is a bib from my library database keyed to your stated interest - I stopped updating in the mid 1990s':
BOATBUILDING 1941
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1969
YACHT DESIGNING AND PLANNING 1936
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1971
AMERICAN SMALL SAILING CRAFT
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1951
AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONERS 1825-1935, THE
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1973
AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONER BENJAMIN W LATHAM, THE
RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR
AMERICAN AND CANADIAN FISHING SCHOONERS -PICTORIAL SUPPL VIII
PEABODY MUSEUM - AMERICAN NEPTUNE SALEM MA
CHESAPEAKE SAILING CRAFT PT.1
BURGESS,ROBERT H TIDEWATER PUBLISHING CAMBRIDGE, MD 1975
CHESAPEAKE BAY CRABBING SKIFFS
CHAPELLE,H I CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM
LAPSTRAKE BOATBUILDING
AMMONS,WALTER J INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUB CAMCEN, ME 1978
CLENCHED LAP OR CLINKER
MCKEE,ERIC NATIONAL MARITME MUSEUM GREENWICH, LONDON 1972
LITLE BOATS,THE INSHORE FISHING CRAFT OF ATLANTIC CANADA
MACKEAN,RAY PERCIVIL,ROBERT BRUNSWICK PRESS FREDERICTON, NEW BRUNSWIC 1979
GLOUCESTER CLIPPER FISHING SCHOONERS
RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR AERO PUBL FALLBROOK, CA 1976
TO BUILD A WHALEBOAT
RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR MODEL SHIPWAYS BOGOTA, NJ 1985
WHALEBOAT ,THE 1850-1970 2ND ED
ANSEL,WILLITS MYSTIC MARITINE MUSEUM MYSTIC, CONN 1983
TANCOOK WHALERS ,THE
POST,ROBERT C MAINE MARITIME MUSEUM BATH, ME 1985
WATERCRAFT MODELER'S HANDBOOK
LANKFORD,BENJAMIN JR NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD INC SILVER SPRING,MD 1988
BUILDING THE BLACKFISH
STORY,DANA TEN POUND ISLAND BOOK CO GLOUCESTER, MA 1988
CHESAPEAKE BAY SCHOONERS
SNEDIKER,QUENTIN JENSEN,ANN TIDEWATER PUBL 1992
CHESAPEAKE BAY LOG CANOES AND BUGEYES
BREWINGTON,M V CORNELL MARITIME PRESS CAMBRIDGE, MD 1963
WORKING WATERCRAFT
GILMER,THOMAS C INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO. CAMDEN, ME 1972
GAFF RIG
LEATHER,JOHN INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO CAMDEN,ME 1970
BUILDING CLASSIC SMALL CRAFT
GARDNER,JOHN INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL 1977
COMMON SENSE OF YACHT DESIGN, THE
HERRESHOFF,L FRANCIS CARAVAN MARITIME BOOKS JAMAICA, NY 1974
DORY BOOK, THE
GARDNER,JOHN INTERNATIONAL MARINE CAMDEN, ME 1978
OYSTERMEN OF THE CHESAPEAKE, THE
DE GAST,ROBERT INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL CAMDEN, ME 1970
BUILDING OF BOATS, THE
PHILLIPS-BIRT,DOUGLAS W W NORTON AND CO NEW YORK 1979
SPRITSAILS AND LUGSAILS
LEATHER,JOHN GRANADA PUBLISHING INC LONDON 1979
UFFA FOX'S SECOND BOOK 1935
FOX,UFFA INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL CAMDEN, ME 1980
SAIL AND OAR
LEATHER,JOHN CONWAY MARITIME PRESS LONDON 1982
CHESAPEAKE BAY SLOOPS
GILLMER,THOMAS C CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM ST MICHAELS, MD 1982
BOATBUILDING MANUAL 2ND EDT
STEWART,ROBERT M INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL CAMDEN, ME 1980
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Jaager got a reaction from Harvey Golden in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill
To reiterate what is written above:
There is no Arban Book for ship modelling. It is much too broad a topic for that. There is no single source, or even just a few. The best that can be expected is to mimic the hermit crab and grab bits and pieces from as many as you can access.
All of the 3 journals sold here as CD are treasure troves of information and techniques.
Best practice is to find out as much as possible about the original vessels. Then go to school on which aspects you need to replicate at model scale and match your skills and tools to a way to do it. This stands ship modelling apart from other forms and subjects being modeled.
Here is a bib from my library database keyed to your stated interest - I stopped updating in the mid 1990s':
BOATBUILDING 1941
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1969
YACHT DESIGNING AND PLANNING 1936
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1971
AMERICAN SMALL SAILING CRAFT
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1951
AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONERS 1825-1935, THE
CHAPELLE,H I W W NORTON CO NEW YORK 1973
AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONER BENJAMIN W LATHAM, THE
RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR
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Jaager got a reaction from DaveBaxt in Sanding Sealer - when/how to use it
These terms are often used in a fast and loose manner with no anchor to what they really mean, so some posts can be confusing.
I think these are functionally precise definitions:
A sanding sealer, or sand-n-sealer - a clear and thick mixture with micro particles - the main use is as a base coat on furniture built using open pore wood species such as Oak, Walnut, Ash... It fills the open pores so that when viewed at an oblique angle, the final surface appears to be glass smooth.
Opinion: it is too thick for scale use. Open pore wood is best not used at all on scale models if the wood is to be clear finished. There are other ways to fill pores before painting.
A primer is generally a 50% diluted clear material intended to soak in deeply and limit any additional material layers to being surface only. The traditional primer is half strength shellac. It is easy to apply, easy to undo, quick to dry, low cost, and compatible with most any other materials applied over it.
If an clear oil finish is the goal, half strength Tung oil can be its primer coat or I am guessing half strength Linseed oil will serve as as its primer. Both would want additional time to polymerize before being covered over. 50% shellac is probably more cost effective as a primer for these.
Shellac is alcohol based and the oils are organic solvent based. They do not raise wood grain.
Paint can be its own primer, it just requires more coats to get a dense enough surface layer. If the paint is water based, the surface may need fine sanding to remove any raised grain.
A dye is a monomolecular solution of a pigment that soaks into wood and changes its color. It does not change the surface. It does not obscure wood grain. If anything, it increases the contrast, This is not necessarily a wonderful thing on a scale model, so having grain with lower contrast is a deciding factor for the choice of wood species if it is to be clear finished.
Dyes come water based and alcohol based. The water based dye soaks in more deeply, but the first application raises wood grain unless a dilute PVA/water solution is used first and then sanded when dry. The alcohol based dye does not raise grain and on a model, any effect that a deeper water dye penetration may provide is probably too slight to be noticed, so alcohol based is probably the better choice. No primer effect with either is there.
A stain is a suspension of pigment particles in a solution with a polymerizing binder. This is also the definition of paint. The pigments are wood colored and some commercial products may also contain a dye so that it can advertise that it penetrates.
Opinion: on a model, if it is wood that needs a stain before clear finish it would serve you better to replace this wood species with one that needs no pore filling or grain hiding with a semi-transparent paint - which is what a stain is. The purpose of a stain is to try to make a low quality wood appear to be a high quality wood ona piece of economy furniture.
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Jaager got a reaction from Canute in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill
It helps to have some perspective about what the hull construction methods were before they published. They cracked open a new world, but both were grounded in vessels well after 1860. They are a very dim light into how vessels before 1860 were built. I consider them a general inspiration, but the specifics for vessels from the real age of sail are best obtained elsewhere.
Davis came from WWI emergency wooden hull construction that was an adaptation of steel engineering techniques back to wood background. It has only the most general similarities with the then lost evolution of traditional hull construction.
They are both best seen as an important but small part of a now very large buffet of information.
Both Petrejus and Longridge should be added to your canon.
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Jaager got a reaction from thibaultron in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill
It helps to have some perspective about what the hull construction methods were before they published. They cracked open a new world, but both were grounded in vessels well after 1860. They are a very dim light into how vessels before 1860 were built. I consider them a general inspiration, but the specifics for vessels from the real age of sail are best obtained elsewhere.
Davis came from WWI emergency wooden hull construction that was an adaptation of steel engineering techniques back to wood background. It has only the most general similarities with the then lost evolution of traditional hull construction.
They are both best seen as an important but small part of a now very large buffet of information.
Both Petrejus and Longridge should be added to your canon.
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Jaager got a reaction from Bob Cleek in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill
It helps to have some perspective about what the hull construction methods were before they published. They cracked open a new world, but both were grounded in vessels well after 1860. They are a very dim light into how vessels before 1860 were built. I consider them a general inspiration, but the specifics for vessels from the real age of sail are best obtained elsewhere.
Davis came from WWI emergency wooden hull construction that was an adaptation of steel engineering techniques back to wood background. It has only the most general similarities with the then lost evolution of traditional hull construction.
They are both best seen as an important but small part of a now very large buffet of information.
Both Petrejus and Longridge should be added to your canon.