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    Jaager got a reaction from Dave_E in Recommendations for new member   
    The NRG has just issued its first PDF only supplement to the NRJ.  It is free if your have joined the Guild.  If not, 1) give a thought to joining or 2) the cost for the supplement is low enough to be worth worth buying.  If nothing else, it gives you a view of what the Journal offers and what the past issue CD's are like.  Anyway, in the supplement is an impressive full page ad for the MS  Model ShipWright beginner series of models.  I have not built them myself, but the feedback from those who have and the overall quality of what MS produces portends that one are all of this series will get you up to speed at a reasonable investment level. 
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    Jaager got a reaction from JayBee750 in Recommendations for new member   
    The NRG has just issued its first PDF only supplement to the NRJ.  It is free if your have joined the Guild.  If not, 1) give a thought to joining or 2) the cost for the supplement is low enough to be worth worth buying.  If nothing else, it gives you a view of what the Journal offers and what the past issue CD's are like.  Anyway, in the supplement is an impressive full page ad for the MS  Model ShipWright beginner series of models.  I have not built them myself, but the feedback from those who have and the overall quality of what MS produces portends that one are all of this series will get you up to speed at a reasonable investment level. 
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    Jaager got a reaction from Ryland Craze in Recommendations for new member   
    The NRG has just issued its first PDF only supplement to the NRJ.  It is free if your have joined the Guild.  If not, 1) give a thought to joining or 2) the cost for the supplement is low enough to be worth worth buying.  If nothing else, it gives you a view of what the Journal offers and what the past issue CD's are like.  Anyway, in the supplement is an impressive full page ad for the MS  Model ShipWright beginner series of models.  I have not built them myself, but the feedback from those who have and the overall quality of what MS produces portends that one are all of this series will get you up to speed at a reasonable investment level. 
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    Jaager got a reaction from Canute in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill   
    To reiterate what is written above:
    There is no Arban Book for ship modelling.  It is much too broad a topic for that. There is no single source, or even just a few.   The best that can be expected is to mimic the hermit crab and grab bits and pieces from as many as you can access.  
    All of the 3 journals sold here as CD are treasure troves of information and techniques.
    Best practice is to find out as much as possible about the original vessels.  Then go to school on which aspects you need to replicate at model scale and match your skills and tools to a way to do it.  This stands ship modelling apart from other forms and subjects being modeled. 
     
    Here is a bib from my library database keyed to your stated interest - I stopped updating in the mid 1990s':
     
    BOATBUILDING  1941                                               
    CHAPELLE,H I    W W NORTON CO  NEW YORK 1969
     
    YACHT DESIGNING AND PLANNING  1936                               
    CHAPELLE,H I     W W NORTON CO    NEW YORK    1971
       
    AMERICAN SMALL SAILING CRAFT                                     
    CHAPELLE,H I     W W NORTON CO  NEW YORK 1951
        
    AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONERS 1825-1935, THE                        
    CHAPELLE,H I    W W NORTON CO    NEW YORK  1973
     
    AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONER BENJAMIN W LATHAM, THE                 
    RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR  
     
    AMERICAN AND CANADIAN FISHING SCHOONERS -PICTORIAL SUPPL VIII                                                                     
    PEABODY MUSEUM  - AMERICAN NEPTUNE   SALEM MA   
     
    CHESAPEAKE SAILING CRAFT  PT.1                                  
    BURGESS,ROBERT H    TIDEWATER PUBLISHING  CAMBRIDGE, MD  1975
     
    CHESAPEAKE BAY CRABBING SKIFFS                                   
    CHAPELLE,H I    CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM     
     
    LAPSTRAKE BOATBUILDING                                           
    AMMONS,WALTER J    INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUB   CAMCEN, ME   1978
     
    CLENCHED LAP OR CLINKER                                          
    MCKEE,ERIC     NATIONAL MARITME MUSEUM   GREENWICH, LONDON   1972
     
    LITLE BOATS,THE INSHORE FISHING CRAFT OF ATLANTIC CANADA         
    MACKEAN,RAY  PERCIVIL,ROBERT   BRUNSWICK PRESS   FREDERICTON, NEW BRUNSWIC  1979
     
    GLOUCESTER CLIPPER FISHING SCHOONERS                             
    RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR   AERO PUBL  FALLBROOK, CA  1976
     
    TO BUILD A WHALEBOAT                                            
    RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR    MODEL SHIPWAYS  BOGOTA, NJ  1985
     
    WHALEBOAT ,THE 1850-1970  2ND ED                                 
    ANSEL,WILLITS     MYSTIC MARITINE MUSEUM   MYSTIC, CONN  1983
     
    TANCOOK WHALERS ,THE                                             
    POST,ROBERT C   MAINE MARITIME MUSEUM  BATH, ME  1985
     
    WATERCRAFT MODELER'S HANDBOOK                                    
    LANKFORD,BENJAMIN JR    NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD INC     SILVER SPRING,MD      1988
     
    BUILDING THE BLACKFISH                                           
    STORY,DANA     TEN POUND ISLAND BOOK CO  GLOUCESTER, MA  1988
     
    CHESAPEAKE BAY SCHOONERS                                         
    SNEDIKER,QUENTIN  JENSEN,ANN   TIDEWATER PUBL  1992
     
    CHESAPEAKE BAY LOG CANOES AND BUGEYES                            
    BREWINGTON,M V   CORNELL MARITIME PRESS   CAMBRIDGE, MD   1963
     
    WORKING WATERCRAFT                                               
    GILMER,THOMAS C    INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO.   CAMDEN, ME 1972
     
    GAFF RIG                                                         
    LEATHER,JOHN      INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO  CAMDEN,ME   1970
     
    BUILDING CLASSIC SMALL CRAFT                                     
    GARDNER,JOHN    INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL   1977
     
    COMMON SENSE OF YACHT DESIGN, THE                                
    HERRESHOFF,L FRANCIS   CARAVAN MARITIME BOOKS  JAMAICA, NY  1974
     
    DORY BOOK, THE                                                   
    GARDNER,JOHN    INTERNATIONAL MARINE     CAMDEN, ME  1978
     
    OYSTERMEN OF THE CHESAPEAKE, THE                                 
    DE GAST,ROBERT  INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL  CAMDEN, ME 1970
     
    BUILDING OF BOATS, THE                                           
    PHILLIPS-BIRT,DOUGLAS   W W NORTON AND CO   NEW YORK   1979
     
    SPRITSAILS AND LUGSAILS                                          
    LEATHER,JOHN    GRANADA PUBLISHING INC   LONDON 1979
     
    UFFA FOX'S SECOND BOOK  1935                                     
    FOX,UFFA     INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL  CAMDEN, ME 1980
     
    SAIL AND OAR                                                     
    LEATHER,JOHN      CONWAY MARITIME PRESS   LONDON   1982
        
    CHESAPEAKE BAY SLOOPS                                            
    GILLMER,THOMAS C    CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM    ST MICHAELS, MD  1982
     
    BOATBUILDING MANUAL  2ND EDT                                     
    STEWART,ROBERT M  INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL  CAMDEN, ME  1980
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from AlleyCat in Mini lathe for mast making etc.   
    Rather than have the wood friction turn at the brass bars, the bars could hold a ball bearing race. They come in a wide range of ID and OD.

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    Jaager got a reaction from AlleyCat in Mini lathe for mast making etc.   
    If you are only going to use it for spars and are not content to use the hand tool - square to octagon etc. method,  all that is needed is a motor to turn the stock.  If working the stock directly without a tool post or tool rest, a 1/2" drill will turn the stock.
    Just build a jig to hold the drill on its back.  Another jig to hold an upright stick with a ball bearing race can support the distant end.
    Unlike the sort of small lathe that you are evaluating, which will have a way that is shorter than most masts, a drill jig can have any length of one piece way up to 8 feet.  Ball bearing races come in a wide variety of ID  and shims can make up the difference.
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    Jaager got a reaction from thibaultron in Mini lathe for mast making etc.   
    Rather than have the wood friction turn at the brass bars, the bars could hold a ball bearing race. They come in a wide range of ID and OD.

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    Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in Mini lathe for mast making etc.   
    Rather than have the wood friction turn at the brass bars, the bars could hold a ball bearing race. They come in a wide range of ID and OD.

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    Jaager got a reaction from shipman in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans   
    Siggi,
    Goodwin describes a canvas "boot"  with a secure rope binding at the top and a on-off rope binding at the deck level. It was tar coated. 
    The bottom was removable for inspection - especially after a storm.  These would likely be at every deck that is subject to flooding.  I can't see how the bottom could be tied down unless some sort of wedge - even if loose - was in place.
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from FriedClams in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans   
    This is a rather mundane topic and would take luck to find in the original literature. So I cut to the chase and went to our version of Grey's Anatomy = Boudriot's 74 gun Ship -  The evidence there shows mast wedges for the foremast and mainmast on the main gundeck.  The wedges for the mizzenmast are one deck higher.  I probably should spring for the English editions now so that it is not pictures only for me.
    I did not see anything in Winfield 50 Gun ,  Goodwin describes the corner chocks and wedges, but does not say how many decks had wedges.
    In an actual ship, it would be an interesting exercise of Physics to imagine what are the effects of one pivot point versus two or three.
     
    It is probably too esoteric to matter which you choose - every deck or just one for wedges.   You have dug so deeply on other details, I was in effect asking if you had any data on this.  The model masts are not going to be sprung in a storm.
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from FriedClams in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans   
    Another reason for the absence of rails could be that if temporary or situational the addition on a model would not serve much purpose. 
    If the intended audience was fellow navy they would know already and rails would be fragile clutter on a model.
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    Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans   
    Siggi,
    Goodwin describes a canvas "boot"  with a secure rope binding at the top and a on-off rope binding at the deck level. It was tar coated. 
    The bottom was removable for inspection - especially after a storm.  These would likely be at every deck that is subject to flooding.  I can't see how the bottom could be tied down unless some sort of wedge - even if loose - was in place.
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from Brinkman in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans   
    This is a rather mundane topic and would take luck to find in the original literature. So I cut to the chase and went to our version of Grey's Anatomy = Boudriot's 74 gun Ship -  The evidence there shows mast wedges for the foremast and mainmast on the main gundeck.  The wedges for the mizzenmast are one deck higher.  I probably should spring for the English editions now so that it is not pictures only for me.
    I did not see anything in Winfield 50 Gun ,  Goodwin describes the corner chocks and wedges, but does not say how many decks had wedges.
    In an actual ship, it would be an interesting exercise of Physics to imagine what are the effects of one pivot point versus two or three.
     
    It is probably too esoteric to matter which you choose - every deck or just one for wedges.   You have dug so deeply on other details, I was in effect asking if you had any data on this.  The model masts are not going to be sprung in a storm.
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from Mark P in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill   
    It helps to have some perspective about what the hull construction methods were before they published.  They cracked open a new world, but both were grounded in vessels well after 1860.  They are a very dim light into how vessels before 1860 were built.  I consider them a general inspiration, but the specifics for vessels from the real age of sail are best obtained elsewhere.
    Davis came from WWI emergency wooden hull construction that was an adaptation of steel engineering techniques back to wood background.  It has only the most general similarities with the then lost evolution of traditional hull construction.
    They are both best seen as an important but small part of a now very large buffet of information. 
    Both Petrejus and Longridge should be added to your canon.
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    Jaager got a reaction from Keith Black in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans   
    This is a rather mundane topic and would take luck to find in the original literature. So I cut to the chase and went to our version of Grey's Anatomy = Boudriot's 74 gun Ship -  The evidence there shows mast wedges for the foremast and mainmast on the main gundeck.  The wedges for the mizzenmast are one deck higher.  I probably should spring for the English editions now so that it is not pictures only for me.
    I did not see anything in Winfield 50 Gun ,  Goodwin describes the corner chocks and wedges, but does not say how many decks had wedges.
    In an actual ship, it would be an interesting exercise of Physics to imagine what are the effects of one pivot point versus two or three.
     
    It is probably too esoteric to matter which you choose - every deck or just one for wedges.   You have dug so deeply on other details, I was in effect asking if you had any data on this.  The model masts are not going to be sprung in a storm.
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from Siggi52 in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans   
    This is a rather mundane topic and would take luck to find in the original literature. So I cut to the chase and went to our version of Grey's Anatomy = Boudriot's 74 gun Ship -  The evidence there shows mast wedges for the foremast and mainmast on the main gundeck.  The wedges for the mizzenmast are one deck higher.  I probably should spring for the English editions now so that it is not pictures only for me.
    I did not see anything in Winfield 50 Gun ,  Goodwin describes the corner chocks and wedges, but does not say how many decks had wedges.
    In an actual ship, it would be an interesting exercise of Physics to imagine what are the effects of one pivot point versus two or three.
     
    It is probably too esoteric to matter which you choose - every deck or just one for wedges.   You have dug so deeply on other details, I was in effect asking if you had any data on this.  The model masts are not going to be sprung in a storm.
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from SaltyNinja in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill   
    To reiterate what is written above:
    There is no Arban Book for ship modelling.  It is much too broad a topic for that. There is no single source, or even just a few.   The best that can be expected is to mimic the hermit crab and grab bits and pieces from as many as you can access.  
    All of the 3 journals sold here as CD are treasure troves of information and techniques.
    Best practice is to find out as much as possible about the original vessels.  Then go to school on which aspects you need to replicate at model scale and match your skills and tools to a way to do it.  This stands ship modelling apart from other forms and subjects being modeled. 
     
    Here is a bib from my library database keyed to your stated interest - I stopped updating in the mid 1990s':
     
    BOATBUILDING  1941                                               
    CHAPELLE,H I    W W NORTON CO  NEW YORK 1969
     
    YACHT DESIGNING AND PLANNING  1936                               
    CHAPELLE,H I     W W NORTON CO    NEW YORK    1971
       
    AMERICAN SMALL SAILING CRAFT                                     
    CHAPELLE,H I     W W NORTON CO  NEW YORK 1951
        
    AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONERS 1825-1935, THE                        
    CHAPELLE,H I    W W NORTON CO    NEW YORK  1973
     
    AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONER BENJAMIN W LATHAM, THE                 
    RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR  
     
    AMERICAN AND CANADIAN FISHING SCHOONERS -PICTORIAL SUPPL VIII                                                                     
    PEABODY MUSEUM  - AMERICAN NEPTUNE   SALEM MA   
     
    CHESAPEAKE SAILING CRAFT  PT.1                                  
    BURGESS,ROBERT H    TIDEWATER PUBLISHING  CAMBRIDGE, MD  1975
     
    CHESAPEAKE BAY CRABBING SKIFFS                                   
    CHAPELLE,H I    CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM     
     
    LAPSTRAKE BOATBUILDING                                           
    AMMONS,WALTER J    INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUB   CAMCEN, ME   1978
     
    CLENCHED LAP OR CLINKER                                          
    MCKEE,ERIC     NATIONAL MARITME MUSEUM   GREENWICH, LONDON   1972
     
    LITLE BOATS,THE INSHORE FISHING CRAFT OF ATLANTIC CANADA         
    MACKEAN,RAY  PERCIVIL,ROBERT   BRUNSWICK PRESS   FREDERICTON, NEW BRUNSWIC  1979
     
    GLOUCESTER CLIPPER FISHING SCHOONERS                             
    RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR   AERO PUBL  FALLBROOK, CA  1976
     
    TO BUILD A WHALEBOAT                                            
    RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR    MODEL SHIPWAYS  BOGOTA, NJ  1985
     
    WHALEBOAT ,THE 1850-1970  2ND ED                                 
    ANSEL,WILLITS     MYSTIC MARITINE MUSEUM   MYSTIC, CONN  1983
     
    TANCOOK WHALERS ,THE                                             
    POST,ROBERT C   MAINE MARITIME MUSEUM  BATH, ME  1985
     
    WATERCRAFT MODELER'S HANDBOOK                                    
    LANKFORD,BENJAMIN JR    NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD INC     SILVER SPRING,MD      1988
     
    BUILDING THE BLACKFISH                                           
    STORY,DANA     TEN POUND ISLAND BOOK CO  GLOUCESTER, MA  1988
     
    CHESAPEAKE BAY SCHOONERS                                         
    SNEDIKER,QUENTIN  JENSEN,ANN   TIDEWATER PUBL  1992
     
    CHESAPEAKE BAY LOG CANOES AND BUGEYES                            
    BREWINGTON,M V   CORNELL MARITIME PRESS   CAMBRIDGE, MD   1963
     
    WORKING WATERCRAFT                                               
    GILMER,THOMAS C    INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO.   CAMDEN, ME 1972
     
    GAFF RIG                                                         
    LEATHER,JOHN      INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO  CAMDEN,ME   1970
     
    BUILDING CLASSIC SMALL CRAFT                                     
    GARDNER,JOHN    INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL   1977
     
    COMMON SENSE OF YACHT DESIGN, THE                                
    HERRESHOFF,L FRANCIS   CARAVAN MARITIME BOOKS  JAMAICA, NY  1974
     
    DORY BOOK, THE                                                   
    GARDNER,JOHN    INTERNATIONAL MARINE     CAMDEN, ME  1978
     
    OYSTERMEN OF THE CHESAPEAKE, THE                                 
    DE GAST,ROBERT  INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL  CAMDEN, ME 1970
     
    BUILDING OF BOATS, THE                                           
    PHILLIPS-BIRT,DOUGLAS   W W NORTON AND CO   NEW YORK   1979
     
    SPRITSAILS AND LUGSAILS                                          
    LEATHER,JOHN    GRANADA PUBLISHING INC   LONDON 1979
     
    UFFA FOX'S SECOND BOOK  1935                                     
    FOX,UFFA     INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL  CAMDEN, ME 1980
     
    SAIL AND OAR                                                     
    LEATHER,JOHN      CONWAY MARITIME PRESS   LONDON   1982
        
    CHESAPEAKE BAY SLOOPS                                            
    GILLMER,THOMAS C    CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM    ST MICHAELS, MD  1982
     
    BOATBUILDING MANUAL  2ND EDT                                     
    STEWART,ROBERT M  INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL  CAMDEN, ME  1980
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in HMS Tiger 1747 by Siggi52 - 1:48 - 60 gun ship from NMM plans   
    This is a rather mundane topic and would take luck to find in the original literature. So I cut to the chase and went to our version of Grey's Anatomy = Boudriot's 74 gun Ship -  The evidence there shows mast wedges for the foremast and mainmast on the main gundeck.  The wedges for the mizzenmast are one deck higher.  I probably should spring for the English editions now so that it is not pictures only for me.
    I did not see anything in Winfield 50 Gun ,  Goodwin describes the corner chocks and wedges, but does not say how many decks had wedges.
    In an actual ship, it would be an interesting exercise of Physics to imagine what are the effects of one pivot point versus two or three.
     
    It is probably too esoteric to matter which you choose - every deck or just one for wedges.   You have dug so deeply on other details, I was in effect asking if you had any data on this.  The model masts are not going to be sprung in a storm.
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from thibaultron in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill   
    To reiterate what is written above:
    There is no Arban Book for ship modelling.  It is much too broad a topic for that. There is no single source, or even just a few.   The best that can be expected is to mimic the hermit crab and grab bits and pieces from as many as you can access.  
    All of the 3 journals sold here as CD are treasure troves of information and techniques.
    Best practice is to find out as much as possible about the original vessels.  Then go to school on which aspects you need to replicate at model scale and match your skills and tools to a way to do it.  This stands ship modelling apart from other forms and subjects being modeled. 
     
    Here is a bib from my library database keyed to your stated interest - I stopped updating in the mid 1990s':
     
    BOATBUILDING  1941                                               
    CHAPELLE,H I    W W NORTON CO  NEW YORK 1969
     
    YACHT DESIGNING AND PLANNING  1936                               
    CHAPELLE,H I     W W NORTON CO    NEW YORK    1971
       
    AMERICAN SMALL SAILING CRAFT                                     
    CHAPELLE,H I     W W NORTON CO  NEW YORK 1951
        
    AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONERS 1825-1935, THE                        
    CHAPELLE,H I    W W NORTON CO    NEW YORK  1973
     
    AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONER BENJAMIN W LATHAM, THE                 
    RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR  
     
    AMERICAN AND CANADIAN FISHING SCHOONERS -PICTORIAL SUPPL VIII                                                                     
    PEABODY MUSEUM  - AMERICAN NEPTUNE   SALEM MA   
     
    CHESAPEAKE SAILING CRAFT  PT.1                                  
    BURGESS,ROBERT H    TIDEWATER PUBLISHING  CAMBRIDGE, MD  1975
     
    CHESAPEAKE BAY CRABBING SKIFFS                                   
    CHAPELLE,H I    CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM     
     
    LAPSTRAKE BOATBUILDING                                           
    AMMONS,WALTER J    INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUB   CAMCEN, ME   1978
     
    CLENCHED LAP OR CLINKER                                          
    MCKEE,ERIC     NATIONAL MARITME MUSEUM   GREENWICH, LONDON   1972
     
    LITLE BOATS,THE INSHORE FISHING CRAFT OF ATLANTIC CANADA         
    MACKEAN,RAY  PERCIVIL,ROBERT   BRUNSWICK PRESS   FREDERICTON, NEW BRUNSWIC  1979
     
    GLOUCESTER CLIPPER FISHING SCHOONERS                             
    RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR   AERO PUBL  FALLBROOK, CA  1976
     
    TO BUILD A WHALEBOAT                                            
    RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR    MODEL SHIPWAYS  BOGOTA, NJ  1985
     
    WHALEBOAT ,THE 1850-1970  2ND ED                                 
    ANSEL,WILLITS     MYSTIC MARITINE MUSEUM   MYSTIC, CONN  1983
     
    TANCOOK WHALERS ,THE                                             
    POST,ROBERT C   MAINE MARITIME MUSEUM  BATH, ME  1985
     
    WATERCRAFT MODELER'S HANDBOOK                                    
    LANKFORD,BENJAMIN JR    NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD INC     SILVER SPRING,MD      1988
     
    BUILDING THE BLACKFISH                                           
    STORY,DANA     TEN POUND ISLAND BOOK CO  GLOUCESTER, MA  1988
     
    CHESAPEAKE BAY SCHOONERS                                         
    SNEDIKER,QUENTIN  JENSEN,ANN   TIDEWATER PUBL  1992
     
    CHESAPEAKE BAY LOG CANOES AND BUGEYES                            
    BREWINGTON,M V   CORNELL MARITIME PRESS   CAMBRIDGE, MD   1963
     
    WORKING WATERCRAFT                                               
    GILMER,THOMAS C    INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO.   CAMDEN, ME 1972
     
    GAFF RIG                                                         
    LEATHER,JOHN      INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO  CAMDEN,ME   1970
     
    BUILDING CLASSIC SMALL CRAFT                                     
    GARDNER,JOHN    INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL   1977
     
    COMMON SENSE OF YACHT DESIGN, THE                                
    HERRESHOFF,L FRANCIS   CARAVAN MARITIME BOOKS  JAMAICA, NY  1974
     
    DORY BOOK, THE                                                   
    GARDNER,JOHN    INTERNATIONAL MARINE     CAMDEN, ME  1978
     
    OYSTERMEN OF THE CHESAPEAKE, THE                                 
    DE GAST,ROBERT  INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL  CAMDEN, ME 1970
     
    BUILDING OF BOATS, THE                                           
    PHILLIPS-BIRT,DOUGLAS   W W NORTON AND CO   NEW YORK   1979
     
    SPRITSAILS AND LUGSAILS                                          
    LEATHER,JOHN    GRANADA PUBLISHING INC   LONDON 1979
     
    UFFA FOX'S SECOND BOOK  1935                                     
    FOX,UFFA     INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL  CAMDEN, ME 1980
     
    SAIL AND OAR                                                     
    LEATHER,JOHN      CONWAY MARITIME PRESS   LONDON   1982
        
    CHESAPEAKE BAY SLOOPS                                            
    GILLMER,THOMAS C    CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM    ST MICHAELS, MD  1982
     
    BOATBUILDING MANUAL  2ND EDT                                     
    STEWART,ROBERT M  INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL  CAMDEN, ME  1980
     
  20. Like
    Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill   
    To reiterate what is written above:
    There is no Arban Book for ship modelling.  It is much too broad a topic for that. There is no single source, or even just a few.   The best that can be expected is to mimic the hermit crab and grab bits and pieces from as many as you can access.  
    All of the 3 journals sold here as CD are treasure troves of information and techniques.
    Best practice is to find out as much as possible about the original vessels.  Then go to school on which aspects you need to replicate at model scale and match your skills and tools to a way to do it.  This stands ship modelling apart from other forms and subjects being modeled. 
     
    Here is a bib from my library database keyed to your stated interest - I stopped updating in the mid 1990s':
     
    BOATBUILDING  1941                                               
    CHAPELLE,H I    W W NORTON CO  NEW YORK 1969
     
    YACHT DESIGNING AND PLANNING  1936                               
    CHAPELLE,H I     W W NORTON CO    NEW YORK    1971
       
    AMERICAN SMALL SAILING CRAFT                                     
    CHAPELLE,H I     W W NORTON CO  NEW YORK 1951
        
    AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONERS 1825-1935, THE                        
    CHAPELLE,H I    W W NORTON CO    NEW YORK  1973
     
    AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONER BENJAMIN W LATHAM, THE                 
    RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR  
     
    AMERICAN AND CANADIAN FISHING SCHOONERS -PICTORIAL SUPPL VIII                                                                     
    PEABODY MUSEUM  - AMERICAN NEPTUNE   SALEM MA   
     
    CHESAPEAKE SAILING CRAFT  PT.1                                  
    BURGESS,ROBERT H    TIDEWATER PUBLISHING  CAMBRIDGE, MD  1975
     
    CHESAPEAKE BAY CRABBING SKIFFS                                   
    CHAPELLE,H I    CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM     
     
    LAPSTRAKE BOATBUILDING                                           
    AMMONS,WALTER J    INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUB   CAMCEN, ME   1978
     
    CLENCHED LAP OR CLINKER                                          
    MCKEE,ERIC     NATIONAL MARITME MUSEUM   GREENWICH, LONDON   1972
     
    LITLE BOATS,THE INSHORE FISHING CRAFT OF ATLANTIC CANADA         
    MACKEAN,RAY  PERCIVIL,ROBERT   BRUNSWICK PRESS   FREDERICTON, NEW BRUNSWIC  1979
     
    GLOUCESTER CLIPPER FISHING SCHOONERS                             
    RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR   AERO PUBL  FALLBROOK, CA  1976
     
    TO BUILD A WHALEBOAT                                            
    RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR    MODEL SHIPWAYS  BOGOTA, NJ  1985
     
    WHALEBOAT ,THE 1850-1970  2ND ED                                 
    ANSEL,WILLITS     MYSTIC MARITINE MUSEUM   MYSTIC, CONN  1983
     
    TANCOOK WHALERS ,THE                                             
    POST,ROBERT C   MAINE MARITIME MUSEUM  BATH, ME  1985
     
    WATERCRAFT MODELER'S HANDBOOK                                    
    LANKFORD,BENJAMIN JR    NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD INC     SILVER SPRING,MD      1988
     
    BUILDING THE BLACKFISH                                           
    STORY,DANA     TEN POUND ISLAND BOOK CO  GLOUCESTER, MA  1988
     
    CHESAPEAKE BAY SCHOONERS                                         
    SNEDIKER,QUENTIN  JENSEN,ANN   TIDEWATER PUBL  1992
     
    CHESAPEAKE BAY LOG CANOES AND BUGEYES                            
    BREWINGTON,M V   CORNELL MARITIME PRESS   CAMBRIDGE, MD   1963
     
    WORKING WATERCRAFT                                               
    GILMER,THOMAS C    INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO.   CAMDEN, ME 1972
     
    GAFF RIG                                                         
    LEATHER,JOHN      INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO  CAMDEN,ME   1970
     
    BUILDING CLASSIC SMALL CRAFT                                     
    GARDNER,JOHN    INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL   1977
     
    COMMON SENSE OF YACHT DESIGN, THE                                
    HERRESHOFF,L FRANCIS   CARAVAN MARITIME BOOKS  JAMAICA, NY  1974
     
    DORY BOOK, THE                                                   
    GARDNER,JOHN    INTERNATIONAL MARINE     CAMDEN, ME  1978
     
    OYSTERMEN OF THE CHESAPEAKE, THE                                 
    DE GAST,ROBERT  INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL  CAMDEN, ME 1970
     
    BUILDING OF BOATS, THE                                           
    PHILLIPS-BIRT,DOUGLAS   W W NORTON AND CO   NEW YORK   1979
     
    SPRITSAILS AND LUGSAILS                                          
    LEATHER,JOHN    GRANADA PUBLISHING INC   LONDON 1979
     
    UFFA FOX'S SECOND BOOK  1935                                     
    FOX,UFFA     INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL  CAMDEN, ME 1980
     
    SAIL AND OAR                                                     
    LEATHER,JOHN      CONWAY MARITIME PRESS   LONDON   1982
        
    CHESAPEAKE BAY SLOOPS                                            
    GILLMER,THOMAS C    CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM    ST MICHAELS, MD  1982
     
    BOATBUILDING MANUAL  2ND EDT                                     
    STEWART,ROBERT M  INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL  CAMDEN, ME  1980
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from Harvey Golden in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill   
    To reiterate what is written above:
    There is no Arban Book for ship modelling.  It is much too broad a topic for that. There is no single source, or even just a few.   The best that can be expected is to mimic the hermit crab and grab bits and pieces from as many as you can access.  
    All of the 3 journals sold here as CD are treasure troves of information and techniques.
    Best practice is to find out as much as possible about the original vessels.  Then go to school on which aspects you need to replicate at model scale and match your skills and tools to a way to do it.  This stands ship modelling apart from other forms and subjects being modeled. 
     
    Here is a bib from my library database keyed to your stated interest - I stopped updating in the mid 1990s':
     
    BOATBUILDING  1941                                               
    CHAPELLE,H I    W W NORTON CO  NEW YORK 1969
     
    YACHT DESIGNING AND PLANNING  1936                               
    CHAPELLE,H I     W W NORTON CO    NEW YORK    1971
       
    AMERICAN SMALL SAILING CRAFT                                     
    CHAPELLE,H I     W W NORTON CO  NEW YORK 1951
        
    AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONERS 1825-1935, THE                        
    CHAPELLE,H I    W W NORTON CO    NEW YORK  1973
     
    AMERICAN FISHING SCHOONER BENJAMIN W LATHAM, THE                 
    RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR  
     
    AMERICAN AND CANADIAN FISHING SCHOONERS -PICTORIAL SUPPL VIII                                                                     
    PEABODY MUSEUM  - AMERICAN NEPTUNE   SALEM MA   
     
    CHESAPEAKE SAILING CRAFT  PT.1                                  
    BURGESS,ROBERT H    TIDEWATER PUBLISHING  CAMBRIDGE, MD  1975
     
    CHESAPEAKE BAY CRABBING SKIFFS                                   
    CHAPELLE,H I    CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM     
     
    LAPSTRAKE BOATBUILDING                                           
    AMMONS,WALTER J    INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUB   CAMCEN, ME   1978
     
    CLENCHED LAP OR CLINKER                                          
    MCKEE,ERIC     NATIONAL MARITME MUSEUM   GREENWICH, LONDON   1972
     
    LITLE BOATS,THE INSHORE FISHING CRAFT OF ATLANTIC CANADA         
    MACKEAN,RAY  PERCIVIL,ROBERT   BRUNSWICK PRESS   FREDERICTON, NEW BRUNSWIC  1979
     
    GLOUCESTER CLIPPER FISHING SCHOONERS                             
    RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR   AERO PUBL  FALLBROOK, CA  1976
     
    TO BUILD A WHALEBOAT                                            
    RONNBERG,ERIK A R JR    MODEL SHIPWAYS  BOGOTA, NJ  1985
     
    WHALEBOAT ,THE 1850-1970  2ND ED                                 
    ANSEL,WILLITS     MYSTIC MARITINE MUSEUM   MYSTIC, CONN  1983
     
    TANCOOK WHALERS ,THE                                             
    POST,ROBERT C   MAINE MARITIME MUSEUM  BATH, ME  1985
     
    WATERCRAFT MODELER'S HANDBOOK                                    
    LANKFORD,BENJAMIN JR    NAUTICAL RESEARCH GUILD INC     SILVER SPRING,MD      1988
     
    BUILDING THE BLACKFISH                                           
    STORY,DANA     TEN POUND ISLAND BOOK CO  GLOUCESTER, MA  1988
     
    CHESAPEAKE BAY SCHOONERS                                         
    SNEDIKER,QUENTIN  JENSEN,ANN   TIDEWATER PUBL  1992
     
    CHESAPEAKE BAY LOG CANOES AND BUGEYES                            
    BREWINGTON,M V   CORNELL MARITIME PRESS   CAMBRIDGE, MD   1963
     
    WORKING WATERCRAFT                                               
    GILMER,THOMAS C    INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO.   CAMDEN, ME 1972
     
    GAFF RIG                                                         
    LEATHER,JOHN      INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBLISHING CO  CAMDEN,ME   1970
     
    BUILDING CLASSIC SMALL CRAFT                                     
    GARDNER,JOHN    INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL   1977
     
    COMMON SENSE OF YACHT DESIGN, THE                                
    HERRESHOFF,L FRANCIS   CARAVAN MARITIME BOOKS  JAMAICA, NY  1974
     
    DORY BOOK, THE                                                   
    GARDNER,JOHN    INTERNATIONAL MARINE     CAMDEN, ME  1978
     
    OYSTERMEN OF THE CHESAPEAKE, THE                                 
    DE GAST,ROBERT  INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL  CAMDEN, ME 1970
     
    BUILDING OF BOATS, THE                                           
    PHILLIPS-BIRT,DOUGLAS   W W NORTON AND CO   NEW YORK   1979
     
    SPRITSAILS AND LUGSAILS                                          
    LEATHER,JOHN    GRANADA PUBLISHING INC   LONDON 1979
     
    UFFA FOX'S SECOND BOOK  1935                                     
    FOX,UFFA     INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL  CAMDEN, ME 1980
     
    SAIL AND OAR                                                     
    LEATHER,JOHN      CONWAY MARITIME PRESS   LONDON   1982
        
    CHESAPEAKE BAY SLOOPS                                            
    GILLMER,THOMAS C    CHESAPEAKE BAY MARITIME MUSEUM    ST MICHAELS, MD  1982
     
    BOATBUILDING MANUAL  2ND EDT                                     
    STEWART,ROBERT M  INTERNATIONAL MARINE PUBL  CAMDEN, ME  1980
     
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    Jaager got a reaction from DaveBaxt in Sanding Sealer - when/how to use it   
    These terms are often used in a fast and loose manner with no anchor to what they really mean, so some posts can be confusing.
     
    I think these are functionally precise definitions:
     
    A sanding sealer, or sand-n-sealer -  a clear and thick mixture with micro particles -  the main use is as a base coat on furniture built using open pore wood species such as Oak, Walnut, Ash...   It fills the open pores so that when viewed at an oblique angle, the final surface appears to be glass smooth.
    Opinion:  it is too thick for scale use.  Open pore wood is best not used at all on scale models if the wood is to be clear finished.  There are other ways to fill pores before painting.
     
    A primer is generally a 50% diluted clear material intended to soak in deeply and limit any additional material layers to being surface only.  The traditional primer is half strength shellac.  It is easy to apply, easy to undo, quick to dry, low cost, and compatible with most any other materials applied over it.
    If an clear oil finish is the goal, half strength Tung oil can be its primer coat or I am guessing half strength Linseed oil will serve as as its primer.  Both would want additional time to polymerize before being covered over.  50% shellac is probably more cost effective as a primer for these. 
    Shellac is alcohol based and the oils are organic solvent based.  They do not raise wood grain.
    Paint can be its own primer, it just requires more coats to get a dense enough surface layer.  If the paint is water based, the surface may need fine sanding to remove any raised grain.
     
    A dye is a monomolecular solution of a pigment that soaks into wood and changes its color.  It does not change the surface.  It does not obscure wood grain.  If anything, it increases the contrast,  This is not necessarily a wonderful thing on a scale model, so having grain with lower contrast is a deciding factor for the choice of wood species if it is to be clear finished.
    Dyes come water based and alcohol based.  The water based dye soaks in more deeply, but the first application raises wood grain unless a dilute PVA/water solution is used first and then sanded when dry.  The alcohol based dye does not raise grain and on a model, any effect that a deeper water dye penetration may provide is probably too slight to be noticed, so alcohol based is probably the better choice.   No primer effect with either is there.
     
    A stain is a suspension of pigment particles in a solution with a polymerizing binder.  This is also the definition of paint.  The pigments are wood colored and some commercial products may also contain a dye so that it can advertise that it penetrates.  
    Opinion:  on a model, if it is wood that needs a stain before clear finish it would serve you better to replace this wood species with one that needs no pore filling or grain hiding with a semi-transparent paint - which is what a stain is.  The purpose of a stain is to try to make a low quality wood appear to be a high quality wood ona piece of economy furniture.
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    Jaager got a reaction from Canute in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill   
    It helps to have some perspective about what the hull construction methods were before they published.  They cracked open a new world, but both were grounded in vessels well after 1860.  They are a very dim light into how vessels before 1860 were built.  I consider them a general inspiration, but the specifics for vessels from the real age of sail are best obtained elsewhere.
    Davis came from WWI emergency wooden hull construction that was an adaptation of steel engineering techniques back to wood background.  It has only the most general similarities with the then lost evolution of traditional hull construction.
    They are both best seen as an important but small part of a now very large buffet of information. 
    Both Petrejus and Longridge should be added to your canon.
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    Jaager got a reaction from thibaultron in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill   
    It helps to have some perspective about what the hull construction methods were before they published.  They cracked open a new world, but both were grounded in vessels well after 1860.  They are a very dim light into how vessels before 1860 were built.  I consider them a general inspiration, but the specifics for vessels from the real age of sail are best obtained elsewhere.
    Davis came from WWI emergency wooden hull construction that was an adaptation of steel engineering techniques back to wood background.  It has only the most general similarities with the then lost evolution of traditional hull construction.
    They are both best seen as an important but small part of a now very large buffet of information. 
    Both Petrejus and Longridge should be added to your canon.
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    Jaager got a reaction from Bob Cleek in Historical Teachers of the Modeling Craft: Davis vs Underhill   
    It helps to have some perspective about what the hull construction methods were before they published.  They cracked open a new world, but both were grounded in vessels well after 1860.  They are a very dim light into how vessels before 1860 were built.  I consider them a general inspiration, but the specifics for vessels from the real age of sail are best obtained elsewhere.
    Davis came from WWI emergency wooden hull construction that was an adaptation of steel engineering techniques back to wood background.  It has only the most general similarities with the then lost evolution of traditional hull construction.
    They are both best seen as an important but small part of a now very large buffet of information. 
    Both Petrejus and Longridge should be added to your canon.
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