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chris watton got a reaction from Oboship in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
I had the Spit Fire pic as one of my references! I did originally have the text exactly like in the picture, but was told to change the font as the printing they use would not be able to print something so thin onto the decal sheet. Originally, every name had a slightly different look and line thickness, to simulate the styles written by different hands - but in the end had to change them. Took an age, too.
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chris watton got a reaction from Oboship in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
There is quite a lot of Information out there that suggests ochre for inner bulwarks and carriages for the early 1800's. My main source for this particular kit is the book The Frigate Surprise, by Brian Lavery and Geoff Hunt. Victory inner bulwarks and carriages are also yellow ochre, and she is depicted as per the exact same time frame as Surprise.
But, as always, the colour scheme is never gospel, no one will insist the modeller uses the colours we suggest you can paint them red, yellow, even green or pink if you wish!
Conversely, how do we know definitely they were painted red, or at all?
ETA - The reason I did the carriage names in both white and black is to give the modeller the choice of how they wish to paint them, red for the white decals, lighter colours like ochre use the black.
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chris watton got a reaction from Thukydides in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
My usual rule of thumb is this – Any warship pre 1800, I will always insist of red inner bulwarks and carriages unless I have strong evidence to the contrary. After this date, I feel I can be a little ‘looser’ with the options, using off-white, ochre or green, depending on date and type of vessel. As you mention, Surprise is being depicted (for the prototype at least) to those later dates, so colour scheme is a little more flexible.
But again, it will always be up to the modeller what they want to do – they are furnished with options.
Oh, meant to ask - what colours were the cutters, was it a red one and green one, or red and blue, I cannot remember!
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chris watton got a reaction from Kusawa2000 in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
I had the Spit Fire pic as one of my references! I did originally have the text exactly like in the picture, but was told to change the font as the printing they use would not be able to print something so thin onto the decal sheet. Originally, every name had a slightly different look and line thickness, to simulate the styles written by different hands - but in the end had to change them. Took an age, too.
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chris watton got a reaction from Ryland Craze in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
I had the Spit Fire pic as one of my references! I did originally have the text exactly like in the picture, but was told to change the font as the printing they use would not be able to print something so thin onto the decal sheet. Originally, every name had a slightly different look and line thickness, to simulate the styles written by different hands - but in the end had to change them. Took an age, too.
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chris watton got a reaction from Nightdive in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
I just removed the masking tape after adding the second planking to my 'pre-prototype mule' (planking took a day and sanding half an hour, but I used tang). Again, I must stress that this is very rushed, so apologies...
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chris watton reacted to Olli Sukunimisson in Duyfken by Olli Sukunimisson - Kolderstok - 1:50
First mock-up of the mount. Seems like it should work.
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chris watton got a reaction from rcweir in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
I had the Spit Fire pic as one of my references! I did originally have the text exactly like in the picture, but was told to change the font as the printing they use would not be able to print something so thin onto the decal sheet. Originally, every name had a slightly different look and line thickness, to simulate the styles written by different hands - but in the end had to change them. Took an age, too.
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chris watton reacted to palmerit in HM Armed Cutter Sherbourne 1763 by palmerit - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - First Build
So I think I learned a well-learned lesson learned by others in the past. I had only tightened and glued rigging once all the pieces of rigging associated with the same boom or yard seemed to be in place. I had read that you can get one line of rigging seemingly taught but then when adding the next piece it can make the first piece loose. I don’t know if it was from accidentally knocking some of the rigging from time to time that made some of the rigging loosen a bit or if it was later rigging that caused previous (seemingly taught) rigging to become loose. I had to retighten that rigging. Thankfully the CA glue I previously used to secure the rigging loosened with nail polish remover applied a few times. I now have a lot of the rigging I had previously secured now temporarily lightened with small clamps. I’ll wait to secure again in their final position later in the rigging. Lesson learned. I don’t know if keeping lots of rigging “loose” works on a model with 5-10x the amount of rigging.
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chris watton reacted to Richard44 in HMS Harpy 1796 by Richard44 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - FINISHED
Thanks to all who have commented, liked or just visited.
Ship's boats, continued.
Two PE grapnel-type anchors were supplied and were assembled. Rings were added to the shanks and a length of rope attached to these. The rope was coiled and the completed anchors placed in the bow of each boat. Two PE boat hooks were also provided, but these were quite short, and so I lengthened them with a piece of 0.6mm pear fret. The photo shows one of the original boat hooks on the top, and a modified one below. The modified ones were placed in the boats.
The completed boats were placed on board Harpy, the 22ft cutter lashed down amidships and the 18ft cutter swung from the davits at the stern. I moved the 22ft cutter back somewhat to give better access to the forward ladder. Once I was happy with where the 18ft cutter was hanging, I put a weight in the boat to weigh it down, such that the tackle was taught. PVA glue was then brushed on the tackle, and once dry the weight was removed. The result gives the impression of a heavy boat hanging from the davits.
Cheers
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chris watton reacted to Kusawa2000 in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
Chris: Not to say this is gospel, the maritime museum in San Diego has a ochre colour for there guns below deck on the HMS Surprise moored at the museum. For what its worth!
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chris watton got a reaction from Thukydides in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
There is quite a lot of Information out there that suggests ochre for inner bulwarks and carriages for the early 1800's. My main source for this particular kit is the book The Frigate Surprise, by Brian Lavery and Geoff Hunt. Victory inner bulwarks and carriages are also yellow ochre, and she is depicted as per the exact same time frame as Surprise.
But, as always, the colour scheme is never gospel, no one will insist the modeller uses the colours we suggest you can paint them red, yellow, even green or pink if you wish!
Conversely, how do we know definitely they were painted red, or at all?
ETA - The reason I did the carriage names in both white and black is to give the modeller the choice of how they wish to paint them, red for the white decals, lighter colours like ochre use the black.
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chris watton got a reaction from Mr Whippy in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
My usual rule of thumb is this – Any warship pre 1800, I will always insist of red inner bulwarks and carriages unless I have strong evidence to the contrary. After this date, I feel I can be a little ‘looser’ with the options, using off-white, ochre or green, depending on date and type of vessel. As you mention, Surprise is being depicted (for the prototype at least) to those later dates, so colour scheme is a little more flexible.
But again, it will always be up to the modeller what they want to do – they are furnished with options.
Oh, meant to ask - what colours were the cutters, was it a red one and green one, or red and blue, I cannot remember!
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chris watton got a reaction from Ishmael in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
There is quite a lot of Information out there that suggests ochre for inner bulwarks and carriages for the early 1800's. My main source for this particular kit is the book The Frigate Surprise, by Brian Lavery and Geoff Hunt. Victory inner bulwarks and carriages are also yellow ochre, and she is depicted as per the exact same time frame as Surprise.
But, as always, the colour scheme is never gospel, no one will insist the modeller uses the colours we suggest you can paint them red, yellow, even green or pink if you wish!
Conversely, how do we know definitely they were painted red, or at all?
ETA - The reason I did the carriage names in both white and black is to give the modeller the choice of how they wish to paint them, red for the white decals, lighter colours like ochre use the black.
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chris watton got a reaction from mgatrost in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
Bow area is always an issue, more so with built up forecastle bulwarks. My mandate to myself with this was to try and make this area as strong as possible to help minimise possible distortion that often sets in with such curves around the bow, with some areas looking more angled than curved. But damn that area was a nightmare.... (As in trying to do this so that it is easy for the modeller to understand and build up).
I am so overdue designing a kit with a nice simple beakhead bulkhead!
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chris watton got a reaction from Mr Whippy in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
There is quite a lot of Information out there that suggests ochre for inner bulwarks and carriages for the early 1800's. My main source for this particular kit is the book The Frigate Surprise, by Brian Lavery and Geoff Hunt. Victory inner bulwarks and carriages are also yellow ochre, and she is depicted as per the exact same time frame as Surprise.
But, as always, the colour scheme is never gospel, no one will insist the modeller uses the colours we suggest you can paint them red, yellow, even green or pink if you wish!
Conversely, how do we know definitely they were painted red, or at all?
ETA - The reason I did the carriage names in both white and black is to give the modeller the choice of how they wish to paint them, red for the white decals, lighter colours like ochre use the black.
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chris watton got a reaction from alde in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
Just making sure all options for the final kit are fine
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chris watton reacted to druxey in 18th century slipway revealed
The slipway at Bucklers Hard has been archaeologically excavated and an article on BBC News posted:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0qll3j0evyo
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chris watton got a reaction from alde in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
There is quite a lot of Information out there that suggests ochre for inner bulwarks and carriages for the early 1800's. My main source for this particular kit is the book The Frigate Surprise, by Brian Lavery and Geoff Hunt. Victory inner bulwarks and carriages are also yellow ochre, and she is depicted as per the exact same time frame as Surprise.
But, as always, the colour scheme is never gospel, no one will insist the modeller uses the colours we suggest you can paint them red, yellow, even green or pink if you wish!
Conversely, how do we know definitely they were painted red, or at all?
ETA - The reason I did the carriage names in both white and black is to give the modeller the choice of how they wish to paint them, red for the white decals, lighter colours like ochre use the black.
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chris watton got a reaction from Freebird in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
My usual rule of thumb is this – Any warship pre 1800, I will always insist of red inner bulwarks and carriages unless I have strong evidence to the contrary. After this date, I feel I can be a little ‘looser’ with the options, using off-white, ochre or green, depending on date and type of vessel. As you mention, Surprise is being depicted (for the prototype at least) to those later dates, so colour scheme is a little more flexible.
But again, it will always be up to the modeller what they want to do – they are furnished with options.
Oh, meant to ask - what colours were the cutters, was it a red one and green one, or red and blue, I cannot remember!
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chris watton reacted to hollowneck in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
Thanks for the clarification, Chris. A nice touch to furnish both black and white decals for the carriages.
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chris watton reacted to Jase in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
I guess most people will want to build the Hollywood ship which definetly does not have red gun carriages. They do look great built up with the coats of arms and the names. Some people may want to do the stern chasers in Bronze as per the books and film too. I think every build of this will end up being different, I for one look forward to what people do with this kit.
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chris watton got a reaction from Ryland Craze in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
My usual rule of thumb is this – Any warship pre 1800, I will always insist of red inner bulwarks and carriages unless I have strong evidence to the contrary. After this date, I feel I can be a little ‘looser’ with the options, using off-white, ochre or green, depending on date and type of vessel. As you mention, Surprise is being depicted (for the prototype at least) to those later dates, so colour scheme is a little more flexible.
But again, it will always be up to the modeller what they want to do – they are furnished with options.
Oh, meant to ask - what colours were the cutters, was it a red one and green one, or red and blue, I cannot remember!
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chris watton got a reaction from Freebird in HMS Surprise 1796 (prototype) by James H - Vanguard Models - 1:64
There is quite a lot of Information out there that suggests ochre for inner bulwarks and carriages for the early 1800's. My main source for this particular kit is the book The Frigate Surprise, by Brian Lavery and Geoff Hunt. Victory inner bulwarks and carriages are also yellow ochre, and she is depicted as per the exact same time frame as Surprise.
But, as always, the colour scheme is never gospel, no one will insist the modeller uses the colours we suggest you can paint them red, yellow, even green or pink if you wish!
Conversely, how do we know definitely they were painted red, or at all?
ETA - The reason I did the carriage names in both white and black is to give the modeller the choice of how they wish to paint them, red for the white decals, lighter colours like ochre use the black.
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chris watton reacted to petervisser in Cutty Sark by petervisser - Billing Boats - Scale 1:75
After tying about 900 clove hitches to complete the ratlines, the model is ready for the last phase of rigging. Phew! I can now begin rigging the braces at last. What with the hot weather here in Victoria, my workshop which is semi-sub ground level is one of the coolest rooms in the house. This has allowed me to work on the model, despite the sunny weather. Here's a photo showing the current status...
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