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how to secure a rope hank to the sheer poles?
paul ron replied to paul ron's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
if the sheer pole had pins, i wouldnt have asked.😁 the pictures are hanging in the south street sea port museum nyc... mystic sea port museum mystic ct, at the museum in boston at the constitution. the fall river sea port museum in RI. the sheer poles in the photos didnt have pins. also there were many lines, probably bunts, right out of the fareleds on the shrouds, hanging over what looked like laundry lines from the cabin to the shrouds as well as hanks on the sheer poles... looked like a real mess of lines on a working ship at sea. how would you hang a hank on a sheer pole without pins... unless it was tied on by the end of the rope with a clove hitch? impresive build logs rob. -
i saw some pictures of clippers at sea with rope coils hanging on the sheer poles. how are they tied on?
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wow i didnt see that one. ill check my book later. thats exactly what im looking for. thanks.
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thanks allan. im sure ill enjoy it. i love what everyone does here. well i scanned through 120 pages and all i can say is... WOW WOW WOW! im going to read it all this week as i get started on my standing rig. omg! thanks allan.
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that is the pin rail locations also showing the lines had fairleaders... not showing the mast top holes. perhaps this will help... maybe im not asking the right question
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i cant find the log. can you post a link to it? im having trouble searching the forums. i did google and found this fellow wrote several books on the young America. very impresive. i think we are on the right track.
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underhill pg 136 section on running rigging talks about fairleads but nothing specific, only a general description of various lines using fairleads. btw... these holes are through the platform of the lower mast top. i was guessing maybe bunts that fairlead to the shrouds s n down to the rails. ill check the build logs. thanks
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i have Underhill s book n no mentions of what or where any lines going through the holes are for. these holes are through the platform of the lower mast top. i was guessing maybe bunts that fairlead to the shrouds n down to the rails. ill check the build logs. thanks
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im rigging a clipper flying fish 1/8" and just starting to get my game plan ready to rig. the mast tops show holes for fareleading running lines, but which lines use these holes? when getting a tour of other square rig ships i noticed these lines but forgot to ask what they were for. any of you old salt know?
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so the polyesters are ok then. joanns has the mara and plenty polyester threads in several weights in a wide assortment of colors. thanks paul
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all great info friends. but the question is what can i use that is available at the simple joanns that has logevity? im stuck here. cotton over polyester or nylon? my oldest ships are 45 years old. the rigging was all done with plain sewing threads i waxed woth bees wax. i ran it on my walk to make scale rope. the heavy standing was with button thread. cotton and polyester was the main threads in my box then. well after 45 years of sitting on the shelf, some rigging is rather brittle. which ones?... who knows. so should i worry about what i use since in 45 years from now, ill probably be dead? mmmmm maybe im over thinking this way to much. what do you guys use and what are your oldest time tested riggs made of?
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twine may be too heavy but we are on the right track with gutterman waxed linen. i was at joanns today looking for it but no dice. they do carry hemp thread in a light tan. anyone try that before? so i saw a wide variety of silk, cotton and polyester... no linens. if you were limited to those, which would be better? oh and is there a standard gage for these threads? i dont see any indications on the spools. this part of rigging is a real pita. the actual work is fun.
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What do you do with your unusable rigging line?
paul ron replied to capnharv2's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
im sure that line can be used by crafters. i can find a thousand uses for it... send it all to me, my grand kids would have a ball sewing clothes for their dolls and making macramey with it. -
where can i buy linen thread? i seem to remember there were only a couple suppliers overseas and expensive. so wax is dead. when i started building ships it was highly recomended. but times change. ill look into the shelac... but doesnt that stiffen when dried?
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so bees wax is not recomened on rigging? ive been using it for over 50 years. yes my old ship's rigging has gotten delicate with age, but i attribute that to the longevity of the material of the thread. so what thread material has the best longevity and what are we now using as a preservative if not wax? btw the bees wax i use is sold by an ukranian easter egg supplier. he has black and naturan for $1/cake.
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very cool idea.
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nubie question regarding string and knots
paul ron replied to EricWilliamMarshall's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
The nail polish is only being used to tip the line, not coat the entire length. Fast drying makes quick work. More expensive? he doesn't need a gallon of the stuff n $2 for an ounce is not going to break the bank. That ounce will last a long time as well. -
nubie question regarding string and knots
paul ron replied to EricWilliamMarshall's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Surgical scisors are the best n you can get them cheap online. Use some clear nail polish, it dries fast. -
Just out of curiosity... how were they used without taking off fingers or losing hands in the process of letting them out n bring them back in on a rocking n rolling ship at sea? I would have though they had some sort of pulley n rope system for that?
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Ive used polyester on a couple ships I built 35 years ago when I couldnt care what I used. They are now in a delicate state of failure. They are so fragile they almost disintegrate when touched. Im surprised polyester was a choice for a museum. BTW I love the look of your ropes. I am (for the past 5 years) in the process of rigging a clipper but stalled trying to make a choice in rope material. After seeing this... Im back to "I dont care" what I use, I just have to get this ship off my work bench. Thanks for reinforcing my "I dont care" attitude.
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Lets say it was 100' of rope on deck. A coil would be enormous let alone how badly it would foul when run up again. That brings me to the balentine method of coiling a working line on deck. Ive never seen balentines on model ships but when I was on a schooner as a hand we used balentines on all working ropes. It doesnt foul. So I was wondering why no one is using this method on models? Does anyone know when balentines come into use? .
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Im sure its for display so the decking can be more visable.
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Just curious... how many yards of line does one of those coils represent? Also when did they start using balentines? I spent some time on a schooner n we used balentines to keep running lines on deck, so when it came time to let it run it wasn't tangled on the way out. Does anyone know how many yards of any one line on a clipper ship is on deck when yards n sail are up?
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Flying Fish... sucuring studsail yards
paul ron replied to paul ron's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Thank you very much. It just doesn't sound right they only get lashed. The rocking and the booms sliding free??>.... counds like a lot of fingers were lost on that job. I expected them to be on some sort of pulley system for safety. BUT Im also forgetting they werent union workers. again thanks. Im a bit more at ease with it now. BTW I bought that book just around when it went out of printing. -
Im building the Flying Fish Clipper and seem to be having trouble finding information on how the yards for studsails were secured and operated under sail. I have the yards through the hoops atop the each yard arm. They slide in n out very nicely but how was it controled by the men? I can just lash it in place but it wont look very authentic will it? Thanks
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