Anguirel

Manage to spend some quality time in the workshop. Planking the inside is done to the level of the lower deck.

 

 
The guide lines for the treenails is marked, next is drilling the holes and do the treenails.

 
In the meantime I planed to do something different for the deck beams. I did a two timber deck beam with a table and lipped scarph.
 
The one on the right is glued and with the black paper. It came out better then I was expecting for a first try. Now the problem is that the plans are made to use a constant thickness beam which is not the case of this one.

 
Any advice on how to compensate for this? In the case of the lower left and upper right beam arm it must be shorter then on the plans and the other two it must be bigger... I could not find an example of a two timber beam on a model (found several examples of a three timber beams though). As for this one the cuts for the beam arms and carling will "cut" the scarph of the beam.
 
Any advice is welcome...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
Anobium what a wonderful idea... when you say 3 thick frames at station 0 are you referring to the changes in thickness as we go up? The first biggest problem about this idea is that I still can't understand everything in those kind of plans. But I will try.
 
As for the frame I was building I used black paper to simulate the pitch and tar that was used. This introduced a extra high to the floors, futtocks and top timbers that I was not successful at compensating and one side of one of the halfs is bigger then the other. I also had to compensate the size of the chock and scarphs. Because of this (and Anobium's idea) this frame is now garbage.
I still used this frame to do some testing and to see the final result of using the black paper
 
One half...

 
The other half...

 
And the inside...


 
Now for the treenails. I will try boxwood (same wood as frames) for the treenails and copper wires for the nails. Let's see how it looks

Hi
 
Found some information on the TFFM and decided to take the plunge. Used Kevin Kenny's idea and build a gig with the different sizes of the chocks and the futtock
 

 
The floor futtocks are glued to the boxwood and ready to cut...
 

 
Time is limited let's see if I can finish them today.
 
Thanks

Hi,
 
i haven't been able to spent as much time on the cross section as I like but I manage to do a bit here and there.
Sanding took a lot of time and was the only way I could find to give the hull the right shape.
Here how she look now...






in some places I didn't manage to get a good fit but still learning I guess...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
i haven't been able to spent as much time on the cross section as I like but I manage to do a bit here and there.
Sanding took a lot of time and was the only way I could find to give the hull the right shape.
Here how she look now...






in some places I didn't manage to get a good fit but still learning I guess...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
i haven't been able to spent as much time on the cross section as I like but I manage to do a bit here and there.
Sanding took a lot of time and was the only way I could find to give the hull the right shape.
Here how she look now...






in some places I didn't manage to get a good fit but still learning I guess...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
i haven't been able to spent as much time on the cross section as I like but I manage to do a bit here and there.
Sanding took a lot of time and was the only way I could find to give the hull the right shape.
Here how she look now...






in some places I didn't manage to get a good fit but still learning I guess...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
i haven't been able to spent as much time on the cross section as I like but I manage to do a bit here and there.
Sanding took a lot of time and was the only way I could find to give the hull the right shape.
Here how she look now...






in some places I didn't manage to get a good fit but still learning I guess...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
today reached a point of no return, the frames are in place...

with the help of the jig and the spacers it was easier then I was expecting. Still had to redo some of the frames in order to align them properly (that is where I am now...)

I played around with patterns of the treenails to fix the frames against the keel...
 

 
The pattern on frame B seems better but from what I read it was only adopted after 1811 (Sappings System?, can anyone confirm this) and the one on frame C was the one in practice between 1710-1811.
Next is the gunport lintels and sills then sanding, lots of sanding...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
So I finished my first double frame. This was done mainly for testing since the frame is wrong some time now... I think the treenails and copper nails came out alright, the copper nails more then the treenails.
 
One half

 
The other half

 
The treenails

 
And the treenails on the scarph

 
I realised now that the treenails on the scarph should had gone through to the other side. But should the same thing be done on the chock?
 
For the finish I was planning on using Danish oil but I must admit it let the wood darker then I was expecting...
 
One half

 
The other half

 
The treenails

 
While I was putting the treenails I used a pencil to "paint" the treenails black but most of it came off during the process of applying the treenails to the frame. At the time I was worried that the black wouldn't show but I guess I was wrong.
 
I ordered wood from The Lumberyard and from Hobby Mill, although the are the same wood type (boxwood) there are not the same...

 
For last... next time have to be more careful to maintain the frame square when doing the holes for the treenails. This is a stupid way to ruin a frame almost at the end
 

Hi,
 
i haven't been able to spent as much time on the cross section as I like but I manage to do a bit here and there.
Sanding took a lot of time and was the only way I could find to give the hull the right shape.
Here how she look now...






in some places I didn't manage to get a good fit but still learning I guess...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
i haven't been able to spent as much time on the cross section as I like but I manage to do a bit here and there.
Sanding took a lot of time and was the only way I could find to give the hull the right shape.
Here how she look now...






in some places I didn't manage to get a good fit but still learning I guess...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
i haven't been able to spent as much time on the cross section as I like but I manage to do a bit here and there.
Sanding took a lot of time and was the only way I could find to give the hull the right shape.
Here how she look now...






in some places I didn't manage to get a good fit but still learning I guess...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
i haven't been able to spent as much time on the cross section as I like but I manage to do a bit here and there.
Sanding took a lot of time and was the only way I could find to give the hull the right shape.
Here how she look now...






in some places I didn't manage to get a good fit but still learning I guess...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
today reached a point of no return, the frames are in place...

with the help of the jig and the spacers it was easier then I was expecting. Still had to redo some of the frames in order to align them properly (that is where I am now...)

I played around with patterns of the treenails to fix the frames against the keel...
 

 
The pattern on frame B seems better but from what I read it was only adopted after 1811 (Sappings System?, can anyone confirm this) and the one on frame C was the one in practice between 1710-1811.
Next is the gunport lintels and sills then sanding, lots of sanding...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
today reached a point of no return, the frames are in place...

with the help of the jig and the spacers it was easier then I was expecting. Still had to redo some of the frames in order to align them properly (that is where I am now...)

I played around with patterns of the treenails to fix the frames against the keel...
 

 
The pattern on frame B seems better but from what I read it was only adopted after 1811 (Sappings System?, can anyone confirm this) and the one on frame C was the one in practice between 1710-1811.
Next is the gunport lintels and sills then sanding, lots of sanding...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
today reached a point of no return, the frames are in place...

with the help of the jig and the spacers it was easier then I was expecting. Still had to redo some of the frames in order to align them properly (that is where I am now...)

I played around with patterns of the treenails to fix the frames against the keel...
 

 
The pattern on frame B seems better but from what I read it was only adopted after 1811 (Sappings System?, can anyone confirm this) and the one on frame C was the one in practice between 1710-1811.
Next is the gunport lintels and sills then sanding, lots of sanding...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
today reached a point of no return, the frames are in place...

with the help of the jig and the spacers it was easier then I was expecting. Still had to redo some of the frames in order to align them properly (that is where I am now...)

I played around with patterns of the treenails to fix the frames against the keel...
 

 
The pattern on frame B seems better but from what I read it was only adopted after 1811 (Sappings System?, can anyone confirm this) and the one on frame C was the one in practice between 1710-1811.
Next is the gunport lintels and sills then sanding, lots of sanding...
 
Hugo

Hi all,
 
I have been following many off the logs for years now. I have built two ships and I'm half way through the Santissima Trinidad (kits) but I was always amazed with the models on the scratch build section... i finally mustered the courage to try one myself. The Triton cross section seemed the perfect candidate, not too big, not too small. And the Group Project give the necessary support to new people like me.I ordered the wood from the wood list in the first post and I started as soon as it arrived. I have the three peices from the first drawing ready and now request access to the rest of the plans.
 

 

 

 
A side note about the woods I'm using. Like I said I order the wood list from the topic's first post. I contacted two online stores and gave them the wood list. One of the stores said they didn't had some of the wood types I was requesting so I ordered the all lot in boxwood. This was the store that replied first. One day after paying I got the answer from the second store. They had all the wood types I wanted for a bit more them the first. Since I wanted to test different wood as well I proceeded with the second order. The problem was when the wood arrived. From the first store (just boxwood) the wood arrived like this:

All strips of wood in individual labeled bags. The wood from the second store arrived like this:

No labels with sizes or wood type which made it very difficult since I don't recognise the woods.
One other difference was the finishing the wood from the second store they weren't sanded

 
The biggest problem is that some the wood from the second store is not squared

The keel (in the image) was one of the strips that was not squared.
 
My question is: is this normal? Or this is something I should complain? Specially the not square thing, which just adds another level of complication...
 
Thanks in advance,
Anguirel

Hi,
 
today reached a point of no return, the frames are in place...

with the help of the jig and the spacers it was easier then I was expecting. Still had to redo some of the frames in order to align them properly (that is where I am now...)

I played around with patterns of the treenails to fix the frames against the keel...
 

 
The pattern on frame B seems better but from what I read it was only adopted after 1811 (Sappings System?, can anyone confirm this) and the one on frame C was the one in practice between 1710-1811.
Next is the gunport lintels and sills then sanding, lots of sanding...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
today reached a point of no return, the frames are in place...

with the help of the jig and the spacers it was easier then I was expecting. Still had to redo some of the frames in order to align them properly (that is where I am now...)

I played around with patterns of the treenails to fix the frames against the keel...
 

 
The pattern on frame B seems better but from what I read it was only adopted after 1811 (Sappings System?, can anyone confirm this) and the one on frame C was the one in practice between 1710-1811.
Next is the gunport lintels and sills then sanding, lots of sanding...
 
Hugo

Hi,
 
today reached a point of no return, the frames are in place...

with the help of the jig and the spacers it was easier then I was expecting. Still had to redo some of the frames in order to align them properly (that is where I am now...)

I played around with patterns of the treenails to fix the frames against the keel...
 

 
The pattern on frame B seems better but from what I read it was only adopted after 1811 (Sappings System?, can anyone confirm this) and the one on frame C was the one in practice between 1710-1811.
Next is the gunport lintels and sills then sanding, lots of sanding...
 
Hugo

Finally finished the frames... I have the jig to assemble them ready (I built something similar to ChadB's.
one question: is there a proper place for the spacers? 
I will post some pictures tomorrow 

Hi kenny, congrats on finishing the cross section. The case looks great...

Finally finished the frames... I have the jig to assemble them ready (I built something similar to ChadB's.
one question: is there a proper place for the spacers? 
I will post some pictures tomorrow