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Thanks Moltinmark, but I'm getting zero results for Hamilton, Scourge or Lord Nelson.

Don’t forget the USS New York, 74. Although unlaunched, she had been completed and was ready to fit out, if required. ... all that beautiful southern live oak, up in 🔥 flames 🔥!

These are not summaries or dramatic readings of the books, but discussions about the characters, plot twists and impacts the series has had on the literary world. They are really well done, and if you need some appropriate background noise, 'whilst you're widdlin', these might be of interest to you. This series started, with Ian and Mike, about six months ago, and there are currently 35, roughly hour-long episodes, yet they are only up to the book, 'The Ionian Mission'. I urge you all to subscribe to their Youtube Channel. There are only 66 subscribers to date, so maybe we swabbies we can do something about that there low number! Here is episode One, Master and Commander, part 1. Enjoy:

Thanks Wayne. Your excerpt of Kopp, Nadine, 2012, “The Influence of the War of 1812 on Great Lakes Shipbuilding.” MA Thesis, East Carolina Univeristy ,gave some very helpful measured dimensions of both schooners for anyone attempting to reconstruct them.

I flatter easily ... 😛 I would recommend both Scourge/Hamilton books, as well as "A Life Before the Mast", by Ned Myers, a Scourge sailor's narrative of the sinking. The Cain book is getting hard to find. Crisman definitely!

Hey Wayne, Can you find any papers or any technical archeological articles on the 1813 Lake Ontario wrecks of the US Schooners Hamilton and Scourge? I mean, other than the books "Ghost Ships" and "Coffins of the Brave", and that National Geographic article from the 1980's?

The latter link is turning out to be a great read, especially the reviews of Samuel Elliot Morrison's classic 'Sailors Biography of John Paul Jones', Meville's 'White Jacket', and Roosevelt's 'Naval History of 1812'! Thanks!

Me neither ...😥

The British Schooner of War Dominica mounted a 4-pounder brass swivel/cohorn on her capstan when she fought the privateer Decatur in 1813. The Frigate Constitution mounted a seven-barreled swivel Chambers Gun on her capstan when she fought the Cyane and Levant in 1815, for defense against enemy boarders, in addition to additional Chambers guns in her tops. The Privateer Fair American, of the Revolutionary War fame, mounted a large swivel on her capstan, according to the memoirs of one of her crewmen, (Jacob Nagel - who would later sail to Australia in the 'First Fleet) that was used to good effect in defeating an enemy's nighttime boat attack.

There was an account I read about a formal evening party thrown on the deck of the new frigate USS Potomac in 1828 while fitting out in Washington. They covered the spar deck with canvass and created a candelabra on the capstan by ringing it with muskets with bayonets fixed. There was a candle placed in each muzzle and this illuminated the spar deck ...

Nice! I always liked this beautiful frigate and her glorious history! More Amphion, please ...

Sound’s like you’re ready to move up to the twenty Aubrey Maturin Series books by Patrick O’Brien! Jane Austin for boys!

Emails with pics of President, Chesapeake and New York incoming! I can't post pictures myself successfully lately on the board, for some reason ... why this is, I am condemned to ponder ...🤔

They are redrawn in both of Howard Chapelle's The History of American Sailing Ships and The History of American Sailing Navy. I have the original draught somewhere. I'll see if I can find it, and send you a close-up picture of the forward gundeck.

The most detailed as built plans we have for a US frigate is the 1815 admiralty draught of the USF President, with rare inboard profile details. She too was someone else's design that Fox altered and tinkered with. I might maybe extrapolate proportions from her?

Great to see you posting again, Wes. I really like the clean fairing of the cant-frames and hawser timbers. Nice. Interesting that you are working on the stem post. The Essex's stem was, according to Josiah Fox, the only part of the ship, above the waterline, that didn't have to be replaced! I have anecdotal evidence too, that she retained her Indian figurehead ...

I hope he’s all right. Too busy to log in once, in nearly two years, especially given the intensely intricate project that he was working on? Anyone know him in Atlanta? 🥺

Cookster, any updates?

They're not working, (again) and the normal, edit-post tab doesn't appear either ... drat.

The Wasa provides some answers. Her stove was essentially a brick lined wooden box. The archeological drawings: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50525123216_c223556a67_b.jpg[url=https://flic.kr/p/2jYJsS5]0[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/165793220@N04/]Stephen Duffy[/url], on Flickr [url=https://flic.kr/p/2jYKieb][img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50525285912_538a1c1d36_h.jpg[/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/2jYKieb]0-1[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/165793220@N04/]Stephen Duffy[/url], on Flickr Edit by MTaylor.. Sorry.. I tried to fiddle with the first one and no joy. Best way is download the photo to your HDD and then use the image attachment (paperclip - lower left hand side).

Bill Romero told our club a long time ago that the author did not obtain permission to reproduce many of the plans shown in his book, and got sued by multiple persons soon after publication. Sad. Pays to be careful ...

Actually, a third Swan-Class sloop fell to the Americans! HMS Thorn was taken by USF Deane (12-pounders) and USF Boston (a mixture of 12-pounders and 9-pounders) . Very few particulars are available about this fight. From the Wiki page on the Frigate Deane: Under the command of Captain Samuel Nicholson of the Continental Navy, Deane sailed from Boston 14 January 1779 with Alliance for a cruise in the West Indies. She returned to Philadelphia 17 April with one prize, the armed ship Viper. On 29 July she joined with USS Boston and two ships of the Virginia Navy guarding a convoy of merchantmen out to sea and continuing on for a five-week cruise which netted eight prizes, including four privateers, the packet Sandwich, and the sloop-of-war HMS Thorn. The frigates arrived at Boston 6 September with 250 prisoners after one of the most notable cruises of the Continental Navy. During the winter and early spring of 1781 Deane cruised with Confederacy and Saratoga in the West Indies. In May, Lloyd's List reported that the rebel frigates Dean and Protector had captured John, Ashburner, master, from Lancaster to St. Kitts, and a ship sailing from Glasgow to Jamaica with 90-0 barrels of beef and a quantity of dry goods, and had taken them into Martinique.[1] Deane again cruised with Confederacy and Saratoga in the West Indies in 1782, capturing four prizes. In April 1782 she captured the cutter HMS Jackal. After two more cruises in the Caribbean, one in September 1782 and the other in 1783, she was renamed Hague in September 1782 (perhaps because of false accusation against Deane that was current at the time). According to Wiki, HMS Thorn became a yankee privateer, was recaptured, and survived until 1816, making her the longest lasting of the Swans (so far)! HMS Thorn (1779) was a 14-gun sloop launched in 1779 that two American frigates, USS Deane and USS Boston captured on 25 August 1779. She became an American privateer with a number of successful engagements and prizes to her name. Arethusa captured her on 20 August 1782.[3] She then returned to service in the Royal Navy, serving until 1816 when she was sold.

The Atalanta's nemesis: "The Alliance passing Boston Lighthouse on its return from France." I wish plans had survived of her...Close up of her stern:

Savage wasn't the only Swan Class Sloop to tangle with an American. In 1781, the Atalanta was taken by the Continental Frigate Alliance, a ship probably similar the later Essex, which had been produced by the same shipbuilder family, but unlike the Essex, the Alliance was armed with 28 long French 18-pounders that had been earmarked for the lower deck of the lost Bon Homme Richard. HMS Atalanta was sailing in company with another, smaller British sloop of war, HMS Trepassy, both having batteries of only 6-pounders. From Wiki: "During a tempest on the 17th, lightning shattered the frigate's main topmast and carried away her main yard while damaging her foremast and injuring almost a score of men. Jury-rigged repairs had been completed when Barry observed two vessels approaching him from windward 10 days later but his ship was still far from her best fighting trim. The two strangers kept pace with Alliance roughly a league off her starboard beam. At first dawn, the unknown ships hoisted British colors and prepared for battle. Although all three ships were almost completely becalmed, the American drifted within hailing distance of the largest British vessel about an hour before noon; Barry learned that it was the sloop of war HMS Atalanta. Her smaller consort proved to be Trepassey, also a sloop of war. The American captain then identified his own vessel and invited Atalanta's commanding officer to surrender. A few moments later, Barry opened the inevitable battle with a broadside. The sloops immediately pulled out of field of fire of the frigate's broadsides and took positions aft of their foe where their guns could pound her with near impunity In the motionless air, Alliance – too large to be propelled by sweeps – was powerless to maneuver. A grapeshot hit Barry's left shoulder, seriously wounding him, but he continued to direct the fighting until loss of blood almost robbed him of consciousness. Lieutenant Hoystead Hacker, the frigate's executive officer, took command as Barry was carried to the cockpit for treatment. Hacker fought the ship with valor and determination until her inability to maneuver out of her relatively defenseless position prompted him to seek Barry's permission to surrender. Indignantly, Barry refused to allow this and asked to be brought back on deck to resume command. Inspired by Barry's zeal, Hacker returned to the fray. Then a wind sprang up and restored Alliance's steerage way, enabling her to bring her battery back into action. Two devastating broadsides knocked Trepassey out of the fight. Another broadside forced Atalanta to strike, ending the bloody affair. The next day, while carpenters labored to repair all three ships, Barry transferred all of his prisoners to Trepassey which – as a cartel ship – would carry them to St. John's, Newfoundland, to be exchanged for American prisoners. HMS Charlestown recaptured Atalanta in June and sent her into Halifax. Temporary repairs to Atalanta ended on the last day of May, and the prize got underway for Boston. After more patching her battered hull and rigging, Alliance set out the next day and reached Boston on 6 June. "

At a time when there were not enough 12 pounder cannon for the continental frigates, this privateer managed to obtain twenty of them. Geddes must have been connected!