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A lovely little picture with a wealth of detail, Steven. Note how the mainyard has been lowered to allow the mainsail to belly out in a fashion never seen in the eighteenth century. They liked their sails "full-bosomed", as it were, in the fifteenth century! As seen below Here is a further pic from same showing an interesting bustle in the waist where the mainsail is undergoing a "harbour-furl" with the yard fully lowered. Look how long the yard is! Merry Xmas from the Woodrat
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Thanks, Joe from Vegas. Steven, the thing in the foreground is, I believe, a windlass which has been used to pull the ship onto its side for careening via a cable to the mainmast. Please see below for my suggestions as to the function of its parts. Access to the forecastle is by walking up the clinker planks of the great arch. The poop is accessed by ladders. Note the tranverse orientation of the planking in the poop deck which I have also done in the model. Note also the apparently offset deck capstan. This is one of the few illustrations showing deck detail. Dick
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The following pics show tghe substantial completion of the sterncastle. I believe the sides of the castle would have contained removable blinds. These would have been removed to reduce windage and would have provided protection for archers if attacked Dick
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Yes, this detail from the arrival of St. Ursula at Cologne by Carpaccio clearly shows a steering oar AND a transom. I think that is a sheepskin over the stempost.
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I have puzzled over what this structure (arrowed) could represent. I now think it is a crane for lifting objects such as buckets to the sterncastle. Dick
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The gentlemans seats of ease in the poop!! The poop decking completed The supports for the sterncastle are started Dick
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Thanks, Steven. Here are some pics showing the halfdeck and waist with deck knees Which are seen on the Villefranche Nave and the Mary Rose. A start is made on the poop deck. Dick
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Questions about Magellan era Portuguese Carrack
woodrat replied to Salty Sea Dog's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Buck, the basic shape of the hull of this kit is ok. I like the round tuck stern. Does it have a transom timber below the rudder port? However, the sterncastle is way overbuilt.It would probably drag the carrack down by the stern. The rigging is rather wrong and represents a nineteenth century idea of mediaeval rigging and masting. I would recommend bashing the kit. However, as it is it is still a nice decorative model. Happy to help where I can. Perhaps the model could be modified along these lines? It is rather like the Kraeck of Master W A which is a well regarded contemporary illustration of a carrack Dick
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Here is the completed halfdeck. Note the position of the mizzen mast Dick
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Thanks, Steven. An interesting project. I will try to chase some of the publications down. Some of the illustrations of the Lomellina will be useful. I had already decided that a windlass is required in the forecastle and it is good to know they were fitted to these big naves. Dick
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this is the tiller and steering mechanism. This ship would predate the whipstaff. The large rudder would not be controllable without the tackles.
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Thanks, Steven. Next is a part of the ship dear to heart of Louie da Fly: the heads, those vulgar tubes so necessary and often detectable in some illustrations. Some illustrations show projections from the sterncastle much as are seen in the gardrobes of mediaeval castles or jar-like containers also projecting which are probably part of the sanitary arrangements. I believe these rounded projections are ceramic bowls which acted as pissdales or urinals for the gentlemen aft of the mainmast. Between these rounded "pots" are often seen box like ventilated structures accessible from the poop deck where I believe are the seats of ease. . These projecting necessary seats are not seen in the Trombetta nave so the seats of ease for the ships VIPs must be internal with lead lined "drops" through the curved base to either side of the rudder It is these internal arrangements that I will build into the stern. Dick
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I have put some accommodation beneath the half-deck. Dick
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Good choice, Alaska. I am happy to help with your build. Please post a build log. What is your build plan, POB, POF? I hope you got full set of plans with the book. I strongly advise a building board as shown in my log if you are going POF. At present I have been sidelined by my carrack build but hope soon to resume the "fat Belly" which has a special importance to Western Australia. Dick.
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Thanks, Vivian. I am sorry that I cannot fully answer your question about genoese navi of the fifteenth century. What I can say is that not all vessels of this type are shown in illustrations with projecting deck beams. This means that either they did not have them or they were covered by a concealing strake. So the modeller can choose whether to depict them or not and still be correct. The "rib-cage" behind my nave is the presently neglected hull of the Gros Ventre, put on hold while I complete the nave. Dick
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Further progress on the sterncastle of my Carrack ( nave tonda) note the two knights at the stern. These are seen in the original illustration
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slow progress because of work committments. Hull is complete. Next job is to install rudder and some accommodation in stern. Where should the galley be positioned? Dick through the rudder port.
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Good luck with this, Sharpie. I will be keeping a Sharp eye on your progress. But a warning, the more you delve into the literature and the archaeology, the more you get dissatisfied with your build. I did a half hull model on my carrack before launching on to the full hull and thereby was able to sort out a lot of mistakes. You have done an excellent job on the trireme so I am probably teaching you how to suck eggs. Cheers. Woodrat
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Thanks. Vivian. Here are some pictures of the main hatch. I tried to keep in mind the practicalities of a hatch which would have to be manhandled by a brace of sailors. The overall shape is that seen on the Mataro Nao. The individual sections of the hatch could be lifted by two men. Bear in mind that the overall scale of the model is approximately 1:64. Cheers, Dick
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The main deck planking in white maple. Dick
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thanks, Farbror . Most of what we talk about regarding mediaeval ships is guesswork but it is very interesting. Here are my ideas about why the deck beams are projecting. I think this is how they may have done the scuppers in the waist. The scuppers exit between the deck beams and are lined with leather or lead. Dick
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And not necessarily call them Santa Maria! There are no sources which detail the exact configuration of the Santa Maria, of which there are many models( although were it not for all the obsession with this ship, we would not know nearly as much about these vessels), yet there are excellent pictures of naos (naves, nefs, cocha, carracks,etc.) which give the modeller excellent fuel for creativity. The Mathew is a good example of what can be done. Steven, the Breidenbach hull is interesting as it shows a curved sternpost like a galley so presumably it had a curved galley style rudder. The second picture comes from the British Museum collection. Dick
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I also made similar mistakes, Tom. It is all part of the journey. Dick
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Tom I am concerned you may have rounded of the aft edge of your frame which will mean you may have an unsigtly transition to the next frame, in this case the filler timbers below the transom timbers. I think the aft edge of the chamfer should be sharp and to the line indicated on the plan. Cheers. Dick
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you have to do it yourself. Make the pieces oversize and Dremel them to shape. Dick
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