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Thank you Cap'n BoB, John and steven. These pics show the clinker planking of the "great arch". These are the planks that the sailors would run along to gain access to the forecastle deck and the foremast. There seems to be not much protection to the sailors. Perhaps a 'lifeline' was rigged in rough weather to prevent losses overside! Dick
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Thanks JesseLee and Steven. I have now completed the clinker planking under the forecastle and a beast of a job it was. I am moderately happy with the result. I used as a guide the excellent miniature from the Benincasa map (1482) which represents a very close approximation to the Trombetta nave:
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Thank you Felelo, most kind. But there are still a few things I wish I could go back and redo. Second-guessing long dead shipwrights is an interesting process. The rigging promises to be a real challenge, Dick
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Yes, Steven, the narrowness worried me. Anything wider in this very large ship may have been unwieldy or even unstable, hence the tumblehome. The drawing seems to show a tumblehome here. Dick The forestay ropes are seen well in the Tavola Strozzi, are presumably lashed together in their mid portion and separated at either end
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The castle planked showing foremast and bowsprit partners. The gaps in the planking allow passage of the mainstay ropes which pass around the knee of the stem
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Further strengthening of the great arch and castle was required with vertical and horizontal knees and cross-bracing. I think it is strong enough now. Dick
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Forecastle framing complete. Now to do the clinker planking below the castle. I will need further framing to support the "Great Arch" Dick
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Thank you Vivian, Nenad and Steven and Happy New Year. Here are more progress pics of the forecastle. The forecastle may seem narrow but I have followed the original drawing faithfully. This allows a lot of tumblehome for the clinker planking below the forecastle, improves water shedding and looks better. I am sure there was a lot of variation among shipwrights as to forecastle design. Dick
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Due to some shed time over the xmas break, I have been able to make a good start on the forecastle. This is the forecastle base.
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The completion of the windlass. Ricardo
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Thanks, Christiano. I had heard of this project but have not yet ordered the book as it is quite expensive. Maybe I will get an electronic copy. The wreck is possibly a century later than the Trombetta nave but many details would have remained similar. Dick
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Carrick bitts are installed to hold the anchor windlass. Dick
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This is my interpretation of the fifteenth century Botticelli windlass after due pondering. The windlass would be used to tilt the ship by hauling on the mainmast so as to allow cleaning of the hull and replacement of sacrificial planking. The windlass would have to be able to be moved from place to place and to be held with pegs to the ground. The pawl mechanism would have to be VERY reliable and the cables in good repair. Sudden loss of the tension on the mainmast would be catastrophic! Dick
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A lovely little picture with a wealth of detail, Steven. Note how the mainyard has been lowered to allow the mainsail to belly out in a fashion never seen in the eighteenth century. They liked their sails "full-bosomed", as it were, in the fifteenth century! As seen below Here is a further pic from same showing an interesting bustle in the waist where the mainsail is undergoing a "harbour-furl" with the yard fully lowered. Look how long the yard is! Merry Xmas from the Woodrat
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Thanks, Joe from Vegas. Steven, the thing in the foreground is, I believe, a windlass which has been used to pull the ship onto its side for careening via a cable to the mainmast. Please see below for my suggestions as to the function of its parts. Access to the forecastle is by walking up the clinker planks of the great arch. The poop is accessed by ladders. Note the tranverse orientation of the planking in the poop deck which I have also done in the model. Note also the apparently offset deck capstan. This is one of the few illustrations showing deck detail. Dick
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The following pics show tghe substantial completion of the sterncastle. I believe the sides of the castle would have contained removable blinds. These would have been removed to reduce windage and would have provided protection for archers if attacked Dick
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Yes, this detail from the arrival of St. Ursula at Cologne by Carpaccio clearly shows a steering oar AND a transom. I think that is a sheepskin over the stempost.
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I have puzzled over what this structure (arrowed) could represent. I now think it is a crane for lifting objects such as buckets to the sterncastle. Dick
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The gentlemans seats of ease in the poop!! The poop decking completed The supports for the sterncastle are started Dick
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Thanks, Steven. Here are some pics showing the halfdeck and waist with deck knees Which are seen on the Villefranche Nave and the Mary Rose. A start is made on the poop deck. Dick
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Questions about Magellan era Portuguese Carrack
woodrat replied to Salty Sea Dog's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Buck, the basic shape of the hull of this kit is ok. I like the round tuck stern. Does it have a transom timber below the rudder port? However, the sterncastle is way overbuilt.It would probably drag the carrack down by the stern. The rigging is rather wrong and represents a nineteenth century idea of mediaeval rigging and masting. I would recommend bashing the kit. However, as it is it is still a nice decorative model. Happy to help where I can. Perhaps the model could be modified along these lines? It is rather like the Kraeck of Master W A which is a well regarded contemporary illustration of a carrack Dick
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Here is the completed halfdeck. Note the position of the mizzen mast Dick
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Thanks, Steven. An interesting project. I will try to chase some of the publications down. Some of the illustrations of the Lomellina will be useful. I had already decided that a windlass is required in the forecastle and it is good to know they were fitted to these big naves. Dick
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this is the tiller and steering mechanism. This ship would predate the whipstaff. The large rudder would not be controllable without the tackles.
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Thanks, Steven. Next is a part of the ship dear to heart of Louie da Fly: the heads, those vulgar tubes so necessary and often detectable in some illustrations. Some illustrations show projections from the sterncastle much as are seen in the gardrobes of mediaeval castles or jar-like containers also projecting which are probably part of the sanitary arrangements. I believe these rounded projections are ceramic bowls which acted as pissdales or urinals for the gentlemen aft of the mainmast. Between these rounded "pots" are often seen box like ventilated structures accessible from the poop deck where I believe are the seats of ease. . These projecting necessary seats are not seen in the Trombetta nave so the seats of ease for the ships VIPs must be internal with lead lined "drops" through the curved base to either side of the rudder It is these internal arrangements that I will build into the stern. Dick
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