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  1. No, No No.....!! Bad idea! I had forgotten the KISS principle and was guilty of overbuilding. 😕Plus the construction for the rudder looked ugly. So off it comes and back to minimalist. Looks better I have completed the standing rigging. The rope at the base of the shroud goes through holes either side of a frame a bit like as seen in roman merchant ships The hooked pulley to allow the yard to fall away from the mast when tacking Cheers Dick
  2. The rudder doesnt have to swing all the way up but if it did it would be lashed to the bitt. In any case it would only be raised when on the windward side and be out of the water. The tiller would be withdrawn before raising the rudder. Dick
  3. Now to finish the Yenikapi. Sometimes it's good to step away from a model for a while then come back to it with a fresh eye. Having done that, I was not happy with the rudder housing and have redone it. When this is finished it will look almost like the rudder goes inside the hull as many pictures suggest. But it doesn't! If the rudder went through a hole in the hull, it would be impossible to raise the rudder for landing and we know they did this!. Also when docking it would be necessary to protect the rudder with some casing. We see on many ships pictures with quarter rudders a structure which is triangular and I have tried to show one reason for this. This is the framing showing rudder in lowered and raised position. Planking will be installed to cover this Cheers Dick
  4. Now we're lookin good. You will need to think carefully about the frames forward and aft of the tail frames. I was forced to use some cant frames as the bevelling is otherwise too much. Dick
  5. It is most kind of you to suggest this Ferrus. I would of course love to see my models in a museum but I doubt that the local Western Australian Maritime Museum would be interested in any of my models as they have no link to Western Australia or its history. I am not sure what their fate will be when I'm gone. Hopefully the family will value them or they may end up in some yacht club. Who knows? Dick
  6. Thanks, Roger and thanks to all the MSW people who provided feedback and likes. This was a project I almost gave up twice as too quixotic but I am glad I persisted as the model is quite attractive. The stability concerned me but the method of construction dictated the outcome as Roger says. I believe these hulcs were best suited for work in riverine conditions and shallow seas but clearly unsuited for open ocean. The question arises, if they were so unstable, why haven't we found any wrecks. The cynics would of course sneer: because they didn't exist, mate! I'm off to finish the Yenikapi vessel. I'll get out of your way now. Cheers Dick
  7. But comparisons are odious. Might be a good way to lose friends,too 😏 I have a better idea. You refit the Great Harry and I'll work on Le Gros Ventre which languishes. Cheers Dick
  8. Well. Damme ! You must be psychic! This is exactly what I was considering as a future build. I look forward to seeing your reconstruction of All the weaponry poking out of the sterncastle.😁 Cheers Dick
  9. Thanks, Mark. The poem is an old Mother Goose nursery rhyme. Ta, Roger. The likely thing is that we already have found remains of hulcs but have labelled them as clinker built nefs. It is my view that the term hulc encompassed a range of mostly clinker built broad beamed and bluff bowed cargo nefs. Maybe there was a cohort of reverse-clinker hulcs but no evidence of them yet that is convincing. Dick
  10. Some views of the vessel with sail deployed. Almost finished I saw a ship a-sailing, A-sailing on the sea, And it was full of pretty things For baby and for me. There were sweetmeats in the cabin, And apples in the hold, The sails were made of silk, And the masts were made of gold. The four-and-twenty sailors That stood between the decks, Were four-and-twenty white mice, With chains about their necks. The captain was a duck, With a packet on his back, And when the ship began to move, The captain cried, "Alas, alack!" I saw a ship a-sailing, A-sailing on the sea, And it was full of pretty things For baby and for me. Merry Xmas Dick
  11. To show the sail bellying to a moderate quartering wind, I used a cushion inside a plastic bag secured to a firm surface and coated with silicon lubricant. Strips of Silkspan were held together with watered down wood glue. Cross bands applied. Sail coloured with diluted wood dye. Silkspan is too white. I doubt mediaeval sails were ever white. A Templar cross was made of Silkspan and applied. Bolt ropes and cringles applied, robands inserted. I have avoided stitching as the Silkspan crinkles and tears easily. I realise that this sail not accurately depicting a real sail but this is a decorative model and I wanted to give an overall impression of a sail bellyingrather than just hanging limp. Double reef points and loops applied to both sides of the sail. Dick Woodrat
  12. And now to the knotty problem of how the mediaeval tar shortened sail. There is no doubt that in the 13th century, bonnets had not yet been introduced but there is ample evidence of reef points in contemporary illustrations. The patterns of reefpoints seen are legion, varying from a single band to multiple bands of reef ponts to seemingly random scatterings of points. It is my contention that reefing was not done using the techniques of later centuries. For one thing I believe sailcloth was somewhat stiffer and hence difficult to hand. Something more mechanical is needed. There were no footropes so it is unlikely that reefing by hardy matelots at the yard occurred during a blow although furling was done in harbour by sailors astraddle the yard. It is possible that the yard was lowered somewhat to allow the sail to be shortened from the deck, much as was the case with the later bonnets. The contemporary illustrations once again come to our assistance and, in this regard, I acknowledge the research and lateral thinking done by the early contributors to The Mariner's Mirror Robert Morton Nance and Harold Brindley. To these I owe the concept which , I believe, likely explains the the strange appearance of reef points in this age. I have elected to use their concept in my model. Many illustrations are seen where reef points are double and with a loop as seen in this woodcut fromthe Compost et kalendriers des bergiers 1493 These strange points were on the forward and after side of the sail. There are often three rows of reefpoints Mr Nance contends that the double points and loops were used to enable one or two sailors to sequentially reef the sail by passing the double points of the upper reef point "over and through the loop on the the lower band " then a reef knot is tied on the standing part. This is repeated on the other side. This concertinas the sail. (Mariners Mirror Notes, Vol VI, No 3, pp 85-86, March 1920) I have decided to use these reef points in my model although I baulked at showing the sail reefed. Cheers Dick
  13. Just a question about mediaeval robands. My impression is that the robands of this period in the north were a simple rope passed through a grommet in the sail and tied above the yard with a reef knot. My books give no evidence for this. Certainly the complicated double robands of the 17th to 19th century would not be appropriate. However, looking at some contemporary ilustrations, some seem to show ribbon-like robands, a little tapered at the ends. What was the scandinavian practice or dont we know. Sails dont preserve well. Dick
  14. Some pics of the quarter rudder The arrow points to the wooden rod holding the leather strop inside the bulwark. Removal of this by the steersman allows rapid raising of the rudder. Cheers Dick
  15. I used a strip of Silkspan doubled lengthwise glued and dyed brown. Seems strong. But, in order to be able to raise the rudder, this has to be released quickly. I fixed one end to the wood block against which the rudder moves and led the other end through a slot where it is held with a wooden dowel which can be pulled out quickly by the steersman. I have no evidence for this but they must have done something like this or lost a lot of rudders. Dick
  16. Thanks, Steven. The tamu file agrees with my impression of hulcs. Here is the maintop with the forestay and shrouds rigged. The yard is crossed. I was not convinced that parrels were appropriate so I opted for leather wrapped rope. There is a rope for tightening the leather strop. Cheerio Dick
  17. According to Wolfram zu Mondfeld (Historic Ship Models): from the 13th century onward the windlass drums were usually octagonal or hexagonal in cross section. As the speculative hulc predates this by at least a century, it would seem sensible to have a cylindrical drum. But of course local variation must have been endless. Dick
  18. Thanks, Steven. And may I say, your Winchelsea beast is turning into a lovely piece. This is my take on the windlass: This how I have rigged the forestay, remembering this a keelless ship so I have seized the forestay to the keel plank. Cheerio Dick
  19. Thanks for all the comments and likes, chaps. I wasn't going to do crows nest but, as a lot of depictions of banana boats show some type of top on the mast, I would have a go. I'm sure that, at this period, they were still working out how to do them, so a lot of imagination is allowed. A cross on the flagstaff is a common feature and I have faced the cross forward. Although I tried to keep the weight down, I thought some tressle trees would be needed to support the top. The flagstaff I have made removable with a fid. Anyhow, here'tis: Cheerio Dick
  20. Well........ I did satisfy myself that this iteration of an hulc was buildable using techniques in common usage during the 13th century and earlier. The vessel ended up being quite beamy and capacious as would suit a merchant transport. This could suggest that hulcs may have developed from riverine vessels and barges used throughout western europe since roman days. The carrying capacity would have been superior to cogs and maybe even knaars. I am satisfied that horses ( although probably not gryphons) could have been transported in something analogous to this as seen in the Bayeux Tapestry. The lack of keel and flat bottom would suit the vessel to quiet and more shallow waters or estuaries. I don't know how good a sailor it would be in the open ocean. With appropriate ballasting it may have been stable enough for crossing of the North Sea. The reverse clinker is likely to have reduced leeway because of the increased lateral resistance supplied by the exposed upper edge of the planking. This may also have reduced the tendency to roll with beamy seas. It is unlikely that any nautical engineers would be interested enough to test this scientifically, but maybe if a reverse-clinker vessel were found....? Anyway, it has been sort of interesting. The next build will definitely be one that has been fully excavated and , I think, not represented in MSW, The Nydam Ship. Cheers Dick
  21. Well, that's the hull complete. I don't think the ship has turned out as outlandish as I thought it might. Any self-repecting gryphon would be happy to be transported in her. Now for some deck furniture, rigging and a mort of decoration. Cheers Dick
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