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woodrat got a reaction from KARAVOKIRIS in Le Gros Ventre 1767 by woodrat - Scale 1:48 - POF - French exploration vessel
On the undecked starboard side the carlings are installed
The carlings support the ledges which in turn support the deck planking
This completes main deck framing. Now for deck furniture.
Dick
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woodrat got a reaction from mtaylor in The San Marco mosaic ship c. 1150 by Louie da fly - 1:75
I am sorry Tartane but you are wrong on both counts. There is ample iconographic evidence from the Mediterranean middle ages for lateen sails since at least the seventh century CE and there were indeed observation baskets just as Steven has modelled them. The baskets were positioned aft of the masthead so as not to foul the yard when going about.
Beg to differ. They certainly didnt have ratlines till much later.
Cheers
Dick the Woodrat
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woodrat got a reaction from Cathead in The San Marco mosaic ship c. 1150 by Louie da fly - 1:75
I am happy to remove the word "dead". The rest I leave to the moderator. This is an open forum and disagreement is allowed as long as it is polite so maybe dead wrong is a poor choice of words.
Woodrat
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woodrat got a reaction from druxey in The San Marco mosaic ship c. 1150 by Louie da fly - 1:75
I am sorry Tartane but you are wrong on both counts. There is ample iconographic evidence from the Mediterranean middle ages for lateen sails since at least the seventh century CE and there were indeed observation baskets just as Steven has modelled them. The baskets were positioned aft of the masthead so as not to foul the yard when going about.
Beg to differ. They certainly didnt have ratlines till much later.
Cheers
Dick the Woodrat
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woodrat got a reaction from CiscoH in Le Gros Ventre 1767 by woodrat - Scale 1:48 - POF - French exploration vessel
On the undecked starboard side the carlings are installed
The carlings support the ledges which in turn support the deck planking
This completes main deck framing. Now for deck furniture.
Dick
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woodrat got a reaction from Glen McGuire in The San Marco mosaic ship c. 1150 by Louie da fly - 1:75
I am sorry Tartane but you are wrong on both counts. There is ample iconographic evidence from the Mediterranean middle ages for lateen sails since at least the seventh century CE and there were indeed observation baskets just as Steven has modelled them. The baskets were positioned aft of the masthead so as not to foul the yard when going about.
Beg to differ. They certainly didnt have ratlines till much later.
Cheers
Dick the Woodrat
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woodrat got a reaction from mtaylor in The San Marco mosaic ship c. 1150 by Louie da fly - 1:75
I am happy to remove the word "dead". The rest I leave to the moderator. This is an open forum and disagreement is allowed as long as it is polite so maybe dead wrong is a poor choice of words.
Woodrat
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woodrat got a reaction from GrandpaPhil in The San Marco mosaic ship c. 1150 by Louie da fly - 1:75
I am sorry Tartane but you are wrong on both counts. There is ample iconographic evidence from the Mediterranean middle ages for lateen sails since at least the seventh century CE and there were indeed observation baskets just as Steven has modelled them. The baskets were positioned aft of the masthead so as not to foul the yard when going about.
Beg to differ. They certainly didnt have ratlines till much later.
Cheers
Dick the Woodrat
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woodrat got a reaction from mtaylor in Le Gros Ventre 1767 by woodrat - Scale 1:48 - POF - French exploration vessel
On the undecked starboard side the carlings are installed
The carlings support the ledges which in turn support the deck planking
This completes main deck framing. Now for deck furniture.
Dick
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woodrat got a reaction from BLACK VIKING in The San Marco mosaic ship c. 1150 by Louie da fly - 1:75
I am happy to remove the word "dead". The rest I leave to the moderator. This is an open forum and disagreement is allowed as long as it is polite so maybe dead wrong is a poor choice of words.
Woodrat
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woodrat got a reaction from BLACK VIKING in Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame
I am really not happy with the octopus. There is no iconographic evidence for its use on galleys or any other ship, so it is gone. I have gone instead for a more austere look. I am happy with the figurehead. Prof Wachsmann has published his thesis that these figureheads reprsent birds' heads and that may be so in most cases but in the case of the Tragana ship the backward curved protuberances on the "beak" resemble no bird I know but would be consistent with a crocodile.
Dick
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woodrat got a reaction from mtaylor in Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame
I am really not happy with the octopus. There is no iconographic evidence for its use on galleys or any other ship, so it is gone. I have gone instead for a more austere look. I am happy with the figurehead. Prof Wachsmann has published his thesis that these figureheads reprsent birds' heads and that may be so in most cases but in the case of the Tragana ship the backward curved protuberances on the "beak" resemble no bird I know but would be consistent with a crocodile.
Dick
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woodrat reacted to Richard Braithwaite in Trireme Olympias by Richard Braithwaite
Putting it all back together:
Som images showing how the main units go back together after varnishing.
The main deck unit is placed inside the main hull unit and bolted together using a couple of brass screwdrives I made for the purpose (some of the bolts are quite fiddly to get at now all the seats are in place... The photo shows one of these screwdrivers accessing one of the difficult to get at bolts securing the base stringer.
I made a couple of "Link Seats" to connect the thranite seats at the aft end of the main deck unit to the ones fixed under the quarterdeck:
Then its a case of securing all 12 Canopy Units:
The assembly with all main units in place:
There are a number of other loose outfit fittings, like ladders to go in:
Complete assembly takes me about 1 hour at this stage. Hopefully I wont need to take it appart again for some time...
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woodrat got a reaction from davyboy in Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame
I am really not happy with the octopus. There is no iconographic evidence for its use on galleys or any other ship, so it is gone. I have gone instead for a more austere look. I am happy with the figurehead. Prof Wachsmann has published his thesis that these figureheads reprsent birds' heads and that may be so in most cases but in the case of the Tragana ship the backward curved protuberances on the "beak" resemble no bird I know but would be consistent with a crocodile.
Dick
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woodrat got a reaction from Roger Pellett in Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame
I am really not happy with the octopus. There is no iconographic evidence for its use on galleys or any other ship, so it is gone. I have gone instead for a more austere look. I am happy with the figurehead. Prof Wachsmann has published his thesis that these figureheads reprsent birds' heads and that may be so in most cases but in the case of the Tragana ship the backward curved protuberances on the "beak" resemble no bird I know but would be consistent with a crocodile.
Dick
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woodrat got a reaction from Thukydides in Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame
I am really not happy with the octopus. There is no iconographic evidence for its use on galleys or any other ship, so it is gone. I have gone instead for a more austere look. I am happy with the figurehead. Prof Wachsmann has published his thesis that these figureheads reprsent birds' heads and that may be so in most cases but in the case of the Tragana ship the backward curved protuberances on the "beak" resemble no bird I know but would be consistent with a crocodile.
Dick
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woodrat got a reaction from Thukydides in Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame
Thanks, Steven and Thukydides. The occy is tentacles forward in attack mode so as to intimidate the villagers as the ship roars in. The croc adds to the menace. The mycenaeans were generally not all that nice. They were,after all, pirates.
Dick
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woodrat got a reaction from GrandpaPhil in Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame
I am really not happy with the octopus. There is no iconographic evidence for its use on galleys or any other ship, so it is gone. I have gone instead for a more austere look. I am happy with the figurehead. Prof Wachsmann has published his thesis that these figureheads reprsent birds' heads and that may be so in most cases but in the case of the Tragana ship the backward curved protuberances on the "beak" resemble no bird I know but would be consistent with a crocodile.
Dick
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woodrat reacted to Louie da fly in The San Marco mosaic ship c. 1150 by Louie da fly - 1:75
Ian, that block looks like an ordinary block with a toggle each side. Those toggles have been found in archaeology as far back as the 11th century, though I don't know if they've been found from the Classical Roman period. They are very useful for quick attachment and release of different parts of rigging on Mediterranean lateeners - for an example of the toggle in use see my post #1217 at
Tony, thanks for your nice comment. Much appreciated.
More progress on the San Marco ship.
Grab rings for the hatch covers:
Hatch covers in place and with grab rings (now blackened) in place. I had to wait until the masts were glued in before I could finalise the hatch covers, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to see the mast steps to guide the masts into position.
Shrouds:
Foremast starboard shrouds in place:
All foremast shrouds in place. The port shrouds are loose because the lateen sail was within the shrouds - if the leeward shrouds were kept tight they would interfere with the sail as it bellied out with the wind.
Getting ready for tomorrow's Modelling Exhibition! while I'm sitting there keeping people (and their precious little darlings) from touching my models with their sticky fingers I'll probably be working on positioning the halyards and their tackle, and adding the blocks for the tacks to the yards.
Steven
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woodrat got a reaction from Glen McGuire in The San Marco mosaic ship c. 1150 by Louie da fly - 1:75
Ian. I dont know this block. Where did you come across it? I dont know of any archaeology to back its use in greek or roman craft? Happy to learn more.
Dick
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woodrat got a reaction from mtaylor in The San Marco mosaic ship c. 1150 by Louie da fly - 1:75
Ian. I dont know this block. Where did you come across it? I dont know of any archaeology to back its use in greek or roman craft? Happy to learn more.
Dick
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woodrat got a reaction from Cathead in The San Marco mosaic ship c. 1150 by Louie da fly - 1:75
Just a couple of points about Jacob's ladders in latin ships. Make sure the ladder doesnt foul the yard or its tackle on going about. On my round ship I positioned the rope ladder (with rope rungs) side on to the mast. Anyone who has seen circus performers use a rope ladder knows that they clamber up the side of the ladder. This minimises "bellying out" of the ladder which would be worse if the ladder were climbed face on.
Cheers
Dick
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woodrat got a reaction from Thukydides in The San Marco mosaic ship c. 1150 by Louie da fly - 1:75
Just a couple of points about Jacob's ladders in latin ships. Make sure the ladder doesnt foul the yard or its tackle on going about. On my round ship I positioned the rope ladder (with rope rungs) side on to the mast. Anyone who has seen circus performers use a rope ladder knows that they clamber up the side of the ladder. This minimises "bellying out" of the ladder which would be worse if the ladder were climbed face on.
Cheers
Dick
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woodrat got a reaction from Louie da fly in The San Marco mosaic ship c. 1150 by Louie da fly - 1:75
I actually used rope rungs but either way would be OK. I did use wood rungs on my carrack. The lower ends of the ladder are attached to rings in the deck.
Dick
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woodrat got a reaction from mtaylor in The San Marco mosaic ship c. 1150 by Louie da fly - 1:75
I actually used rope rungs but either way would be OK. I did use wood rungs on my carrack. The lower ends of the ladder are attached to rings in the deck.
Dick
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