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Thanks Chuck, Now I got something to study while I work on some still unfinished hull details and calculated rig guess work SOS

Mark, I did E mail Chuck via his website company but I assume that source of contact doesn't work as I have no reply... as yet. Jersey City Frankie, I watched that video many times to try and figure things out. It is obvious that the throat halyard is on the stb side , Peak to port. But what is the double blocks P&S and tackle on the fife rail around the mast for? Could be to get the last few feet of those halyards up or to get one or both of the yards up for the top sail. The crew on both halyards seem to not employ the double block tackles at all and get both up by brute force. Both yards ( not shown in the video have lifts but they could not be the only source to get the yards up in place. In the video one yard is on deck fore and aft resting on temporary horses. I believe the boat is just getting set for that season of sailing and not yet completely rigged. Thanks for you comments and interest.. SOS

Thanks for the leads of rigging sizes. I'm thinking of just ordering the same size blocks and cordage of the Model frequently posted here: HMS Cheerful. Problem is I cannot seem to contact the kit maker via this media. Any clues on how? Thanks SOS Meanwhile here's a video of the replica of the Sloop Providence sailing:

An old chart depicting the HMS Hussar's last voyage. SOS

...the now rotten or buried hulk In or around Hell's Gate, East river, NYC? Reputed to be the British pay ship for H.M troops engaged in suppressing the American revolution. The British captain didn't listen to the East River pilot. The ship hit Pot rock and sank with a number of American P.O.W. aboard as well as gold and silver. SOS http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/17/nyregion/ship-of-dreams.html?pagewanted=all

Looking good Sal. I guess you found the right deadeyes SOS

My scratch built sloop Providence will be soon ready to have mast stepped and the rigging started But wait a minute I have no detailed rigging plan. Guess work will not do . I'm at the stage where I have to order blocks single , double and some triple but how many and what size. Same with the cordage. what size and thickness etc. I do have a plan showing the dimensions of mast and all spars etc. So I'm thinking the Cutter Cheerful 1/48 scale is similar in size and era and should be near enough. Chuck's thick ness gauge is a help. But still doesn't solve my problem. Which is: Just what sizes and # of single blocks # of double blocks # of triple blocks I have the dead eyes for the main mast and enough for the top mast Also just what thickness cordage for various members of the standing rigging, fore and back stays for main mast and top mast and associated yards and the running rigging for all of the above. I guess I'm aiming at the HMS Cutter Cheerful builders here . Can they come to the aid of a Revolutionary Man-O.- War Sloop Providence ?? Thanks

The sloop Providence will be soon ready to have mast stepped and the rigging started But wait a minute I have no detailed rigging plan. Guess work will not work . I'm at the stage where I have to order blocks single , double and some triple but how many and what size. Same with the cordage. what size and thickness etc. So I'm thinking the Cutter Cheerful 1/48 scale is similar in size and era and should be near enough. Chuck's thick ness gauge is a help. But still doesn't solve my problem. Which is: Just what sizes and # of single blocks # of double blocks # of triple blocks I have the dead eyes for the main mast and enough for the top mast Also just what thickness cordage for various members of the standing rigging, fore and back stays for main mast and top mast and associated yards and the running rigging for all of the above. I guess I'm aiming at the HMS Cutter Cheerful builders here . Can they come to the aid of a Revolutionary Man-O.- War Sloop Providence ?? Thanks S.O.S.

Thanks folks. I used the blackening agent that Bluejacket sells. It worked out great. S.O.S.

In the image of the windlass the ships bell is illustrated. Assuming the look out rang it on the half hour, how did he determine when. Surely the hour glass wouldn't be near him most likely near the helm turned by an officer or the helmsman. So how did they relay the moment to the person by the windlass bell. Or was this bell just used when anchored in fog. SOS

... what did they use in 18th ships ? Thanks, S.O.S.

Thanks Spyglass for that link. Fascinating stuff there. SOS

Ahoy all Modelers, Coming along on the model. and got the swivel guns mounted on the poop deck. Also an officer was piped aboard this week to help supervise the further construction. I got a different scheme for mounting the gun port lids that might be unorthodox. If it works Ill post it here. Still to go some kind of binnacle , channels and deadeyes ( awaiting the blackening agent). Notice the cable going to a holes in the fwd. grating and below to the cable locker. Thanks for the help in various questions I posted in other threads. S.O.S.

Fabulous !! sos

I'm leaning toward what Frankie said in post #10 . Mistakes in previously published art and explanations are not uncommon. Perhaps other knowledgeable modelers will chime in. S.O.S.

I found this image on the internet. ( right side) It seems it goes around the thickest part first. Assuming the top part of the image is forward. Interesting to see how the payed out anchor cable is secured. SOS

The windlass in question is for my model of John Paul Jones first command in the Continental Navy, the Sloop Providence. I guess it might be similar to the "Cheerfull" cutter shown on this forum. Also would the cable go below via a rope deck pipe or a real hatch? The plans I have is a more modern version of this vessel showing an electric windlass. My model must reflect the 1776 original sloop. Thanks S.O.S.

Which way should the lead coming in from the hawse pipe anchor cable go first, around the thicker portion of the tapered horizontal winch barrel , or the smaller diameter and then to the storage area of the anchor cable? Thanks S.O.S.

Thanks ianmajor, some good leads there. I did send an inquiry E mail to Bluejacket concerning the blackening fluid as I did not see it in there online catalog . So lets see if they still whip,it up. SOS

I have a combination deadeye/backing link cast from brittiana metal. I would like to blackening them with some kind of chemical compound. Is there such a solution.? The mixture for brass & copper does not work on this type of metal. Or is paint the only option ? Thanks S.O.S.

Thanks again SOS

Im speechless over the workmanship. SOS

I examined my model boat work station a bit more thoroughly. I seem to have to much tool duplication like several tweezers, Xacto knives,files of all kinds and sizes, same for sanding boards and measuring devices., Various drills all mounted with spare bitts in separate containers. I save table saw scraps left overs in a jar which I find useful in making small parts etc. Various small artist brushes reside in a handy jar. In defense of my clutterholic, I must say that I rarely loose store bought fittings as they are stored in small containers further housed in an old cigar box. They are guarded by swivel guns, ( not loaded of course ) but the key to the guns access I will not reveal here. I did construct years ago a tiered carousel with appropriate holes for various tools and a lower compartments for small stuff. It worked quite well for some time .... then I became aware of Micro-mark tool catalog. Well ....you know the rest Now by contrast my regular work shop for full sized boats and " The Admiral" type projects is very neat with all hand tools up on a peg board. So go figure. SOS PS a possible solution is to keep all the tools out of reach . That way i have to get up to obtain them so then I get a bit of added exercise. I forgot to mention numerous pliers,hammers and saws. I found a place for them in two drawers beneath the tiny space left for the model to be built is on.

My name is SOS and I'm a clutterholic My work station must be the worst. I have all my tools handy including paint brushes fittings in containers and more model stuff too numerous to list. As a result the model is surrounded by my self inflicted CLUTTER. Help! Are there any others out there ? Fess up. . What do you do to work efficiently ? SOS

I thought it would be informative to post a little about the ship. BTW the attached image is of the vessel ( unfinished of course ) with the captured shallop she captured stowed on deck. Stowed below are 8 swivel guns shipped by Chuck waiting for their mount and installation on the poop deck( not a refuge for gulls with digestive problems) S.O.S. A little about the sloop Providence" On 10 May, John Paul Jones assumed command of Providence with temporary rank of Captain. After a voyage to New York returning to the Continental Army about 100 soldiers whom Washington had lent to Hopkins to help man the American fleet, and after returning to Providence, Jones hove down the ship to clean her bottom and sailed 13 June escorting Fly to Fishers Island at the entrance to Long Island Sound. En route he saved a brigantine bringing munitions from Hispanola from the British frigate Cerberus. Providence next escorted a convoy of colliers to Philadelphia arriving 1 August. There, a week later, Jones received his permanent commission as Captain. On the 21st, Providence departed the Delaware Capes to begin an independent cruise, and in a few days took the brigantine Britannia and sent the whaler into Philadelphia under a prize crew. On 1 September, daring seamanship enabled Jones to escape from the British frigate Solebay. Two days later Providence captured Sea Nymph, carrying sugar, rum, ginger, and oil, and sent the Bermudan brigantine to Philadelphia. On the 6th Providence caught the brigantine Favourite carrying sugar from Antigua to Liverpool, but HMS Galatea recaptured the prize before she could reach an American port. Turning north, Jones headed for Nova Scotia, and on 20 September escaped another frigate before reaching Canso two days later. There he recruited men to fill the vacancies created by manning his prizes, burned a British fishing schooner, sank a second, and captured a third besides a shallop which he used as a tender. Moving to Ile Madame, Providence took several more prizes fishing there before riding out a severe storm. One more prize, the whaler Portland surrendered to Providence before she returned to Narragansett Bay 8 October. While Providence was at home, Hopkins appointed Jones the Commander of Alfred, a larger ship and the Commander in Chief’s flagship on the expedition to the Bahamas. Shortly thereafter, Capt. Hoysted Hacker took command of Providence. The two ships got under way 11 November. After ten days they took the brigantine Active and the next day took the armed transport Mellish carrying winter uniforms and military supplies for the British Army. On the 16th they captured the snow Kitty. The next night, Providence, troubled by leaks which had developed during bad weather on the cruise, headed back for Rhode Island and arrived at Newport two days later. The British seized Narragansett Bay in December 1776 and Providence, with other American vessels there, retired up the Providence River. In February 1777, under Lt. Jonathan Pitcher, Providence ran the British blockade; after putting into New Bedford, she cruised to Cape Breton where she captured a transport brig loaded with stores and carrying two officers and 25 men of the British Army besides her crew. Under command of Capt. J.P. Rathbun, Providence made two cruises on the coast and about mid-January 1778, sailed from Georgetown, N.C., again bound for New Providence in the Bahamas, this time alone. On 27 January she spiked the guns of the fort at Nassau, taking military stores including 1,600 pounds of powder, and released 30 American prisoners. She also made prize of a 16-gun British ship and recaptured five other vessels which had been brought in by the British. On 30 January the prizes were manned and sailed away. Providence, with her armed prize, put into New Bedford. On the left the replica Providence(Boston, 1980) During the early part of April 1779 Providence was ordered to make a short cruise in Massachusetts Bay and along the coast of Maine. She later sailed south of Cape Cod and on 7 May, captured the brig HMS Diligent, 12 guns, off Sandy Hook. She fired two broadsides and a volley of muskets during the engagement and Diligent, with mast rigging and hull cut to pieces, was forced to surrender. Providence then was assigned to Commodore Saltonstall’s squadron which departed Boston 19 July 1779 and entered Penobscot Bay 25 July. Providence was destroyed by her crew, along with other American vessels in the Penobscot River, 14 August 1779, to prevent her falling into the hands of the British towards the end of the failed Penobscot Expedition.