Sexyauthor Posted June 19, 2016 Author #31 Posted June 19, 2016 Thanks Scott! Yeah, those Bitt heads were a lot of fun! mtaylor, mattsayers148 and Elijah 3 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
mattsayers148 Posted June 19, 2016 #32 Posted June 19, 2016 Coming along great Brian! Elijah and mtaylor 2 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS)
Sexyauthor Posted June 19, 2016 Author #33 Posted June 19, 2016 Thanks Matt! I'm working on the hatches now - Again the instructions aren't clear, but it looks like I insert eyebolts at the two ends of each section and then bend them over to form rings on the top of the hatches. Does that sound right? When I built the St. Helena, they supplied brass rings (photo from St Helena build shows a small hatch and part of the larger hatch - as you can see, there are rings at each end of every section - should I do the same for the hatches of this build?). BTW, are these rings supposed to represent handles to open the hatch section? Or something else? Thanks! mattsayers148, Elijah and mtaylor 3 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
Sexyauthor Posted June 19, 2016 Author #34 Posted June 19, 2016 I searched for images of 19th century ship hatches and found the answer to my question. Elijah, mtaylor and mattsayers148 3 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
Sexyauthor Posted June 21, 2016 Author #35 Posted June 21, 2016 I decided to stain the inside panels and top rail rather than paint them. I have an issue with a few of the panels (residual glue blocks the stain) so I'll have to remove the glue and re-stain the area affected. Anyone have any tips for removing wood glue? Sanding works but if there's a more precise method, I'm all ears.... Elijah, mattsayers148 and mtaylor 3 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
Sexyauthor Posted June 21, 2016 Author #36 Posted June 21, 2016 What is this and why does it have holes around the ring near the top? Elijah, mtaylor and mattsayers148 3 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
Sexyauthor Posted June 21, 2016 Author #37 Posted June 21, 2016 Ahhh! I think I found it. It's a capstan and the holes are for inserting a piece of wood or metal to use as a handle to turn it.... Yes? mattsayers148, Elijah and mtaylor 3 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
Sexyauthor Posted June 21, 2016 Author #38 Posted June 21, 2016 Anchors aweigh! mattsayers148, mtaylor, Elijah and 2 others 5 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
cobra1951 Posted June 21, 2016 #39 Posted June 21, 2016 Nice work on the anchors, and yes you are correct it is a capstan, basically an early winch mattsayers148, Elijah and mtaylor 3 Quote Bob Current Build HMB Endeavour - Occre 1:54 Completed Builds Section Deck Between Gun Bays - Panart 1:23 scale....x 2
mtaylor Posted June 22, 2016 #40 Posted June 22, 2016 Brian, If those glue stains are PVA (carpenter's or wood glue) use isopropyl alcohol. If it's CA, then acetone. But with acetone, do it in a very well-ventilated area. Just don't soak to heavily or your planks will come off. Keep a damp cloth handy when planking and you can take the glue (PVA) off immediately. Elijah and mattsayers148 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Sexyauthor Posted June 22, 2016 Author #41 Posted June 22, 2016 Thanks for the tip, mtaylor! It's wood glue, so alcohol it is... A couple more questions.... 1) There are two gaffs (main mast and foremast). The ends were supplied as metal bits and have 3 holes in them. There were also a bunch of beads and some fine copper wire. By looking up images on the net, i figured out what to do with the beads, wire and two of the holes. What is the third hole used for? It's a work in progress, so I don't want to cut the wire until I know I've done things correctly. 2) There are rings that go on the main and foremasts. There rings attach to the sails - any suggestions on how to attach them? Do I pry open the ring a bit and then clamp it down on the sail? Or do I use thread to sew them to the sail? Glue? Punch a hole in the sail cloth and thread the ring through it? Something else? Thanks in advance for any and all insights.... -=b=- Elijah, mtaylor and mattsayers148 3 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
S.Coleman Posted June 22, 2016 #42 Posted June 22, 2016 I'm not too sure on the sail rings. I left those out as I didn't put sails on mine. I can not say for sure what the third hole is. I never had that either. My best guess would be something to do with lashing the sail? Good work. Keep it up. Elijah, mtaylor, mattsayers148 and 1 other 4 Quote Regards, Scott Current build: 1:75 Friesland, Mamoli Completed builds: 1:64 Rattlesnake, Mamoli - 1:64 HMS Bounty, Mamoli - 1:54 Adventure, Amati - 1:80 King of the Mississippi, AL 1:64 Blue Shadow, Mamoli - 1:64 Leida Dutch pleasure boat, Corel - 1:60 HMS President Mantra, Sergal Awaiting construction: 1:89 Hermione La Fayette AL - 1:48 Perserverance, Modelers shipyard
Rick01 Posted June 22, 2016 #43 Posted June 22, 2016 If I remember correctly the rings remain on the masts at all times. The sail has a rope that runs down the leading edge looped through a ring then through a hole in the sail then back through the next ring and so on. At a guess the spare hole is for the tail end of the rope running down the sail to be secured through. Sorry but I've no idea what the nautical terms are for these actions. :-( Rick Sexyauthor, Elijah and mtaylor 3 Quote Completed builds:- HM Cutter Mermaid. HMS Endeavour's Longboat Topsail Schooner Enterprize Arab Dhow Sultan
Sexyauthor Posted June 22, 2016 Author #44 Posted June 22, 2016 Thanks Rick! Judging from some pictures I've seen, the rope running down the edge of the sail and through the rings is how some have done it. And Scott, your idea for the third hole in the gaff seems plausible (lashing the sail). Thanks for the input. Anyone else? mtaylor, Elijah and mattsayers148 3 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
mtaylor Posted June 22, 2016 #45 Posted June 22, 2016 Brian, What Rick said about the mast hoops is correct. As tor the third hole.... I have no idea unless it's for lifting the boom or securing something to it. Sexyauthor, Elijah, mattsayers148 and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Sexyauthor Posted June 23, 2016 Author #46 Posted June 23, 2016 bowsprit stained, cap and lashing mattsayers148, mtaylor and Elijah 3 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
Sexyauthor Posted June 23, 2016 Author #47 Posted June 23, 2016 Progress - no glue yet, just a lot of test fittings to see how things are going together. Stained all the masts and yards and deck accessories; stuck some pins in the rack. You can see the mast rings piled at the bottom of each mast. The stern decoration is in place (you can see the clamps) :-) mtaylor, mattsayers148 and Elijah 3 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
mtaylor Posted June 23, 2016 #48 Posted June 23, 2016 Brian, I hope you haven't glued on that boom, yet. The rings go on top of the boom so that when the sail is raised, so will the rings. I think you're ok on the foremast as there doesn't appear to be a boom on it. Otherwise, shipshape and Bristol fashion. Rick01, mattsayers148 and Elijah 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Sexyauthor Posted June 23, 2016 Author #49 Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) Thank you! I haven't glued anything if it has to do with the masts. I still have to add the 2 gaffs too, and they go above the rings... Even the bowsprit is just dry fitted, as are the pin racks and hatches. The anchor assemblies are glued as I was somewhat confident that I'd gotten them correct; and I was satisfied with their appearance... -=b=- Edited June 23, 2016 by Sexyauthor Elijah, mattsayers148 and mtaylor 3 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
Sexyauthor Posted June 23, 2016 Author #50 Posted June 23, 2016 Help! There is this figure in the instructions: One cap gets 2 eyebolts (one on either side) and the other cap gets 3 eyebolts. A later figure indicates that the 2-eyebolt cap goes on the main mast and the 3-eyebolt cap goes on the foremast. All well and good.... almost. Does the eyebolt on the short side of the 3-eyebolt cap face fore or aft? One figure seems to indicate that it would face aft, but that is purely a guess on my part. Also, I assume that I attach a block to each eyebolt which will be used in the rigging. However there is NO drawing that indicates that any rigging line goes through these blocks. In fact, these blocks don't appear in any drawing. Also, no figure indicates any rigging lines tied to these eyebolts directly (i.e. no block). Is there a "standard" way to rig the sails that would dictate the use of these blocks? The odd thing is that going by the figures in the instructions, all of the rigging can be done without using these blocks. I'm assuming that the figures are just inadequately drawn and some of the lines that go through blocks (shown tied to the mast) are actually these blocks tied to the eyebolts.... Ay yi yi! mtaylor, Elijah and mattsayers148 3 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
Rick01 Posted June 23, 2016 #51 Posted June 23, 2016 I'd expect it to go to the back - then the lift for the gaff would be hooked/lashed to it. Also note that there should be a similar set up on the fore mast so the cap with only two eye bolts sits above the cap with three one each mast. Search some of the cutters for an illustration of the rigging around this area. Rick mtaylor, mattsayers148, Elijah and 1 other 4 Quote Completed builds:- HM Cutter Mermaid. HMS Endeavour's Longboat Topsail Schooner Enterprize Arab Dhow Sultan
Elijah Posted June 23, 2016 #52 Posted June 23, 2016 I would suggest going through others build logs and try to figure out which lines go where and why. Good luck! mattsayers148 and cobra1951 2 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society)
Sexyauthor Posted June 23, 2016 Author #53 Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) Sails! The last two have the "railing" attached. The kit did not include enough rope for this so I had to make my own! 5 strands of thin rigging line, soaked in water, twisted together with the help of a cordless drill, a little Elmer's glue, and let dry overnight. Edited June 23, 2016 by Sexyauthor mattsayers148, Elijah and mtaylor 3 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
Sexyauthor Posted June 24, 2016 Author #54 Posted June 24, 2016 (edited) So, what are those vertical and horizontal lines on the sails? Purely cosmetic, or do they serve some purpose? More practically, how do I "implement" them? It is just a matter of sewing a thread along the path of the vertical line? It's not just drawn on there, is it? What about the horizontal "bar" - some sails have 2, some 3. Are those two parallel threads, or is that a piece of cloth (wood?) - it's about 3mm wide. And what is the purpose of the little dangling threads? Lastly, what about the polygon in the corner? The sail pictured only has the one but some of the sails have one in each of the four corners. Again, do I just sew thread along the lines that make up the shape, or is that a piece of cloth on top of the sail cloth? Thanks in advance for any thoughts/explanations.... -=b=- Edited June 24, 2016 by Sexyauthor mtaylor, Elijah and mattsayers148 3 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
mtaylor Posted June 24, 2016 #55 Posted June 24, 2016 Brian, I'll see if I can help.... The vertical lines represent the stitching that joins the cloth pieces together. Sails are/were made of bolts of cloth of a certain width depending on country. The "bar" are horizontal cloth reinforcements for the reefs, which are the "dangly" things. The reefs allow the sail to be "reefed" up in high winds such that there's not more strain on the masting and rigging then they can tolerate. If you can, find a copy of zu Mondfeld's Historic Ship Models. There's copies available pretty inexpensively and while it's not perfect or accurate in all respects, it is a great reference for parts of a ship and what they do. Elijah, mattsayers148 and Sexyauthor 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Sexyauthor Posted June 24, 2016 Author #56 Posted June 24, 2016 Ahhh! Makes sense. Thanks! I assume the panels in the corners are also reinforcements. Thanks for the explanation. I'll look for the book you mentioned. Sorry to be asking so many questions. I've obviously never sailed and my model ship building experience is very small. You may wonder what attracts me to this, since sailing isn't in my blood. I'm an engineer and I love learning new things. I'd never done this before and thought I'd give it a try. After my first build, I was addicted. My dad was a carpenter - I guess a love of woodworking was passed on to me, just on a smaller scale. He built houses and cabinets and tables - I'll stick to small things that people don't have to depend on. :-) thanks again... -=b=- mattsayers148, mtaylor and Elijah 3 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
mattsayers148 Posted June 27, 2016 #57 Posted June 27, 2016 Hey Brian, the ships looking great. This is also a book that may be of use for you as well. You can find used copies for just a few bucks and is well worth it. It was first published in 1808 so some of the language is no longer common. Written for young bucks so the descriptions are straight forward with excellent drawings of most every aspect of sailing. I would have been lost on my USS Ranger/pirate ship bash without this gem. A lot of the head scratching is because of the multitude of both standing and running rigging. This book shows the order of rigging since many of the blocks in the drawings aren't shown all at once to help avoid confusion, which can add to the confusion. If every line and block were shown in a drawing at once, it would be a mess. Take a gander at my Ranger build log towards the end, standing rigging first, then running. No part of the masts were glued since the ropes hold them there. Then if something gets messed up its easier to fix. mtaylor 1 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS)
Sexyauthor Posted June 27, 2016 Author #58 Posted June 27, 2016 Matt -> WOW! That Ranger build is gorgeous! You are a true craftsman! Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll definitely look for the book you cited. I'm taking the rigging slowly and extrapolating from the simplified drawings what is really meant to be done. mtaylor and mattsayers148 2 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
Sexyauthor Posted June 29, 2016 Author #59 Posted June 29, 2016 Been a couple of days... Here's an update.... Sails are mostly sewn; Standing rigging in place but not finalized. Shroud work next. mattsayers148 and mtaylor 2 Quote -- Brian Builds: St. Helena (Constructo kit - build log) Louise Steam Launch (Constructo kit) Adventure Pirate Schooner (Amati kit - build log) Current Build: Harriet Lane (Model Shipways kit - build log) Future Builds: J. S. Elcano Bluenose II (Constructo)
Rick01 Posted June 29, 2016 #60 Posted June 29, 2016 Don't fix any sails/running rigging until you've completed the standing rigging. It's a pig trying to do it any other way! Rick mtaylor, mattsayers148 and Sexyauthor 3 Quote Completed builds:- HM Cutter Mermaid. HMS Endeavour's Longboat Topsail Schooner Enterprize Arab Dhow Sultan
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