Planking Pattern Knowledge Needed Please

[Shazmira]

Could someone who knows more than me, which would be all of you   please look at my first layer of planking and tell me if this pattern is acceptable for the next layer?

I certainly don't want to mess up now, if you know what I mean.

 

Pics can be seen here http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/84-san-fransisco-ii-by-robbyn-artesania-latina-wood/

 

Thank you for your help in advance.

[Jim Lad]

Robbyn,

 

Do you want your final planking to be like kit instructions, or like an actual ship, as in the photo below of the Endeavour replica under construction?

 

The final result you want will greatly affect how you go about it.

 

John

[mtaylor]

John,

The pic didn't come through. You might have to click the "post image" (I think that's the wording) after it's uploaded.

[Michiel]

you could have a look here

 

http://www.modelships-beagle.eu/smf/index.php/topic,1174.0.html

 

the forum is in Dutch, so you may not be able to read much, but there are many pictures there..

[mtaylor]

There's also this article from the Database (see top of page menu for browsing): http://modelshipworldforum.com/resources/Framing_and_Planking/plankingprojectbeginners.pdf

[Jim Lad]

Oops!  Would you believe I forgot to attach the picture?

 

John

[Shazmira]

That is exactly what I was looking for Jim! I love that big picture, makes it much easier to visualize. That also gives me a much better picture of how exactly the stealers work; better than the drawing in the beginners planking guide as well perhaps because of the size.

 

Michiel, that log looks great too! Thank you for giving me the link, I will be referig back often to look at your pics.

 

Mark, thank you I have the planking guide printed off...that is what I tried to follow for this first layer, and am hoping I did it justice and can just repeat (with fewer errors) my first layer with my second.

 

I can't tell from your photos Michiel, did you use any stealers?

 

I did use a couple on each side on my first layer, but was not particularly succesful with them, they seem to be the areas where I eaither had a bulge, or a sink hole. Good thing wood filler and sandpaper take those out, but I don't want to make those mistakes on this next layer, My mahogany strips are only 1/32" thick so there will not be much forgiveness for any sort of heavy sanding.

Edited February 17, 2013 by Shazmira

[Jim Lad]

Robbyn,

 

Remember that this is the Endeavour, which has a particulary bluff bow and hence the need for lots of stealers.  Try to work your stakes of planking so that you use the minimum number of stealers.

 

John

[Michiel]

I don't see any staelers in that build (its not mine), So you may not necessarily need them

 

I just finished my second layer without:

(but that's the Dutch way of planking; the wales do actually meet 180 degrees this picture is just not taken straight on)

 

 

I did put some at the stern though..

 

 

Here's one of those other pictures you could find on this site before the crash:

Edited February 17, 2013 by Michiel

[fish]

Michael,

 

Did you use the spilling technique on that hull?

 

Aaron

[Shazmira]

The San Fran does have a very Buff bow. On the first layer I only used stealers in the stern, but I had a few places on the bow that bulged. I left them because I knew I could sand it down.

I think this time for the second layer I will go slower, I am thinking that since I have a solid base to work with now it will actually make laying out the top layer easier...I hope I am not wrong in that thinking.

I am going to try using some tracing paper to acurately lay on my hull so that I have a flat version of it, that I can then use to measure and shape my stealers. I have never tried to do do that, but my mind says it should work...now to figure out how to make it work in practice

[Michiel]

Aaron,

 

I'm building the Prins Willem, she actually has a much less round bow below the lowest wale. There the technique shown in the diagram called "Hollandisch" works perfectly fine. You don't need to go to less than half the plank width to work it out completely without stealers.

 

(Hope that answers you question )

 

 

Best,

Michiel

[Jim Lad]

Robbyn,

 

Check out the new article on planking by David Antscherl that Chuck just added to the database.

 

John

[BANYAN]

^{Hi Robbyn,}

 

^{It is also worth considering the overlap/alignment of the first and second layers.  If it is possible, it is preferable to overlap the first and second layer longitudinal joints (that is, not have them coincident).  This provides additional strength and assists in stopping the hull joints opening if for any rreason they become wet (just ask a couple of members hows their models were accidently saturated by water leaks and the like) or in humid.hot climates.}

 

^cheers

 

^Pat

Edited February 23, 2013 by BANYAN

[Shazmira]

Thank you banyan, I had not considered that possiblity, my plan was to follow the same lines as the first layer, but you are correct, that would make way for a future gap; something I surely do not want. Thanks again for throwing some common sense my way.

[amateur]

One of the major points you should tackle: the sheer of the planking towards the aft end of the ship is not correct:

you have your planks almost horizontal. In 'real life' it should more or less follow (or even be stronger) than the

upward curvature of the decks.

It should more or less follow the direction of the railing, and not that of the waterline.

 

 

Jan

Edited February 21, 2013 by amateur

[Ilhan Gokcay]

I was also discussing the pattern of planking with some friends and wonder if the way of planking of the replica of Endeavour is correct.

This pattern looks like the way of the Dutch practice mentioned here.

But I have doubts.

Is it correct that an English ship (Endeavour replica) has a pattern of planking of Dutch practice. 

This Dutch practice seems dubious to me as the planks are running directly into the wales with steep angles at the bow. Is that the real the Dutch practice or is the Dutch practice the one which Mondfeld describes.
Are there any other examples of the Dutch practice or any other readings, books about this. 
 

Attached a picture of Anatomy of the ship-Endeavour

 

Ilhan 
 

Edited August 21, 2013 by Ilhan Gokcay

[Stockholm tar]

Ilhan,

 

I would say that is actually the English practice, although it may not look it due the differing angles between the photo and the drawing.

 

Plans of the actual ship from the NMM in Greenwich plus their own expertise were, I believe, used during Endeavour's construction – and she was said to be the most accurate replica. I therefore can't imagine they would adopt Dutch shipbuilding practices.

[Ilhan Gokcay]

Hi Kester, thanks for reply.

 

Some of my friends are telling that this Endeavour replica has a planking of Dutch practice but this also not exactly.
I also always thought that the planks should run parallel to the wales as possible and stealers are used where necessary. This achieved by reducing the widht of the planks (max%50).

Regards

Ilhan