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I'll use better wood too for the final trim for the rails and the planksheer trim.  These are just test strips.

 

Next...I was tinkering with the nameboard for Glory in my scale. The name board is 14ft long by 1ft high.   I carved in the floral petals and then painted gold.  Fixing the lettering was a bit tricky in this scale.   I could do better and will...since this is simply a test example as i perfect the carving and tools used.

 

One is posted next to the rule for scale and size.

 

Rob

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Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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Very nice, Rob. 

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On 4/30/2021 at 12:52 AM, rwiederrich said:

Well.......I appreciate that .....but....actually, I am quite the unorthodox model builder.  I don’t mind skipping processes typically held by the most revered modeler or taking liberties with techniques not typical to the purist of modeler.  Being creative and inventive and a bit overboard are my coat of arms.  Duct tape is a viable building material and paint covers a multitude of sins.  But whatever form of trickery I employ, the final outcome must still be a scale replica, fashioned as accurately and masterfully as I can muster.      I’m so glad you and Vladimir are fellow  travelers on this journey.  And I appreciate your kind words and continual praise.  I really feel I’m just an average model maker.....who happens to be ingenious at times.  I’m always trying to make things easier and less arduous.    Your words are very kind.

 

Now, back to that 5%...in your assessment what *tweaking*  do you perceive is still required to attain a 100% correct hull design for Glory?  What still makes you feel uncomfortable?

 

Rob

Rob, it's been a crazy, busy work day so I haven't had time to do a decent reply. I still feel like our Bow profile isn't as aggressive above and below the waterline as the images of Glory in Seattle gives me the impression she was. I'm working on tracings of the close up of her Figurehead to compare to her Bow profile in the 1907 scene. At the San Pedro dock The bowsprit's relative shortness compared to where her figurehead ends reveals some foreshortening, since Glory isn't exactly square to the viewer for an exact broadside. It's subtle but definitely there. 

Another item which might affect her sheer is location of her Starboard loading Port. In Vladimir's excellent profile, this key component is still a little too close to the main mast when it's actually slightly closer to the end of the Foreshrouds. Why should this matter? Because the locked in height at that location has been established by counting strakes. It's not the lowest part of the her sheer, which is in the middle of the main shrouds. By correcting the dock's location, will that affect her profile?

Finally, the crease line at the Stern looks like it's where the iron ends of her Shrouds all would mount to and is quite likely to align with the lower end of the Naval Hoods. If that's the case, it gwould make the depth 3'6". Review McKay's sketch of his twin Packets, the same thin line is there too. 

I realize these are "nit pickey" little details, which is why I referred to them as 5%. Then again, the devil's always in the details too, aren't they?

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7 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

I'll use better wood too for the final trim for the rails and the planksheer trim.  These are just test strips.

 

Next...I was tinkering with the nameboard for Glory in my scale. The name board is 14ft long by 1ft high.   I carved in the floral petals and then painted gold.  Fixing the lettering was a bit tricky in this scale.   I could do better and will...since this is simply a test example as i perfect the carving and tools used.

 

One is posted next to the rule for scale and size.

 

Rob

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Rob, these are absolutely beautiful. You are setting an incredible bar for the rest of us to follow. 

Meanwhile, I hate to be "scale police" but at 1:96th a 14' nameboard would be 1 & 3/4th" long by 1/8" high. Tell me to not mention these things if it bothers you.

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Rob , with this speed you will have ship built before bulkheads arrived :D. I was talking to guy if its already cut but he told me he had lots of work last weekend so didnt find have time for it. We have to understand he is doing it in weekend windows next to regular job. please one little bit of patience. I will check  after this weekend. V. 

 

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11 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, these are absolutely beautiful. You are setting an incredible bar for the rest of us to follow. 

Meanwhile, I hate to be "scale police" but at 1:96th a 14' nameboard would be 1 & 3/4th" long by 1/8" high. Tell me to not mention these things if it bothers you.

Nope..you are correct...the board is a bit high to the scale, thus not representing the true measurement....and the board is still to long.  This is the test prototype.  I will correct all errors and then cast the board in duplicating paste and then I can mass produce them all exactly alike.   I'll need four.

 

Good eye.

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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10 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Rob , with this speed you will have ship built before bulkheads arrived :D. I was talking to guy if its already cut but he told me he had lots of work last weekend so didnt find have time for it. We have to understand he is doing it in weekend windows next to regular job. please one little bit of patience. I will check  after this weekend. V. 

 

Oh...I'm patient.  I'm spending time making items that will go on the model...they can be created long before they are actually needed.

 

Funny that you would suggest I would have the model finished before I even get the bulkheads....heehee  that's real funny......

 

Oh....I packaged up your book today and I plan on mailing it out today............Yippy......

 

Rob

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Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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54 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Oh...I'm patient.  I'm spending time making items that will go on the model...they can be created long before they are actually needed.

 

Funny that you would suggest I would have the model finished before I even get the bulkheads....heehee  that's real funny......

 

Oh....I packaged up your book today and I plan on mailing it out today............Yippy......

 

Rob

Thanks Rob Im Thrilled. 

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38 minutes ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Thanks Rob Im Thrilled. 

Mailed out.  Not sure how long it will take to travel halfway around the world

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Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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4 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, seems you don't realize how teenie tiny something is until you attempt to do it at scale. I don't know if this helps but here is a 1 & 3/4ths inch long x1/8th inch high "GLORY of the SEAS" nameboard. I gotta rest my eyes now.

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Yeah......I’m building the master for duplication and it will be 1/4” smaller then the last one I built.   I’m spending ample time carving it to get it right.   Just need to make one.   Yeah.....

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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16 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, seems you don't realize how teenie tiny something is until you attempt to do it at scale. I don't know if this helps but here is a 1 & 3/4ths inch long x1/8th inch high "GLORY of the SEAS" nameboard. I gotta rest my eyes now.

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I finished the final prototype and I made the mold for it , now the castings are next.

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Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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While researching why Glory couldn't be saved, I found this old photo of her from Dec 1913. Ironically it's an advertisement from the manufacturer of coarkboard that was installed to convert her into a gigantic refrigeration plant. Since I haven't yet figured out how to share pdf files, this image was taken with my phone from the document visible on my laptop. 

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Another fascinating article and beautiful painting I found was from Jan 27, 1923 by the famous seaman artist Charles R Patterson who actually last saw her in service as a fully functioning sailing vessel in 1899. At the time he wrote his reminiscence, there was still serious anticipation that McKay's last Clipper would still be relocated back to Boston to be eventually restored. The larger image of the same painting was from May that same year, in tribute to the lost vessel....

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2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, this will be instructive to see!

I made a mold of the finished name board.....but first the nameboard...

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Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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Then I made a mould of it and cast it in light curing acrylic

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Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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I made four...here is the entire family....from beginning to end

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Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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Wood master and almost finished copy...

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Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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Painted...and ready for emblom 

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Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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9 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Painted...and ready for emblom 

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Rob,

beautiful and to scale as well, very nicely done! To contribute towards accuracy of the name board, I've included another more clear image of the sketch done of the actual board in the video. Since I had no idea of length at the time, I rough estimated it based on an assumption that it was a foot tall. 

Anyhow, rough wooden formation of letters is accurate as taken from the video stills. 

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Very nice job Rich....the original in her display looks so tired and shabby....I know that is probably how she looked when removed(Over 50 years after she was placed into commission)...but I'm going to spruce her up with gold paint and brighter lettering.  Now about the lettering....because my version is so small..the font may be slightly different...those wings on the G, L and Y might be an issue.  We'll just have to see.

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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2 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Very nice job Rich....the original in her display looks so tired and shabby....I know that is probably how she looked when removed(Over 50 years after she was placed into commission)...but I'm going to spruce her up with gold paint and brighter lettering.  Now about the lettering....because my version is so small..the font may be slightly different...those wings on the G, L and Y might be an issue.  We'll just have to see.

 

Rob

Rob, look closely enough, you'll see those little 'wings' are on every letter except both "Os" upper & lowercase, as well as lowercase 'e.' Besides, I made no mention of making it any easier, just more accurate.. ;-)

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1 hour ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Great job Rob Im amused watching ehat sou do in that scale folks.  1:72 warms the mind a little. :) 

Vladimir, for those of us who have Warehouse storage capacity, a 330' vessel 55" at 1:72nd scale makes perfect sense. 

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3 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Great job Rob Im amused watching ehat sou do in that scale folks.  1:72 warms the mind a little. :) 

Vlad...I'd build in a larger scale myself...but I just don't have any place to house it for public viewing.  I will be removing my other Glory from her shelf and giving that to the new Glory.  She's next to the brick hearthed wood stove in the living room.  I'll put the older Gory in the back bedroom next to my second Cutty Sark.....I guess.

 

By the way...how is your own Glory build coming along?  Curious minds want to know.....

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, look closely enough, you'll see those little 'wings' are on every letter except both "Os" upper & lowercase, as well as lowercase 'e.' Besides, I made no mention of making it any easier, just more accurate.. 😉

Yes...you are right.  One thing I do appreciate about 1/96...is you can respectfully forego some detail based upon inability or inaccessibility.  I don't expect anyone to view my model with a magnifying glass.

 

One can afford to be more discriminating when the scales get larger.

 

Rob(did I mention lazy)

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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46 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Yes...you are right.  One thing I do appreciate about 1/96...is you can respectfully forego some detail based upon inability or inaccessibility.  I don't expect anyone to view my model with a magnifying glass.

 

One can afford to be more discriminating when the scales get larger.

 

Rob(did I mention lazy)

Rob, when I view your incredible productivity, honestly 'lazy' is the last word that comes to my mind. I think, you, as usual are too hard on yourself. After all I don't see Michael Mjelde or his daughter knocking on anyone else's door....

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1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Vlad...I'd build in a larger scale myself...but I just don't have any place to house it for public viewing.  I will be removing my other Glory from her shelf and giving that to the new Glory.  She's next to the brick hearthed wood stove in the living room.  I'll put the older Gory in the back bedroom next to my second Cutty Sark.....I guess.

 

By the way...how is your own Glory build coming along?  Curious minds want to know.....

 

Rob

I didnt move on Rob. I scouted for planks to gather for hull.actually im thinking of wideness of planks, observing model shipways flying fish i will widen palnks according to ratio margin. so i elan to set on ( metric here 4 or 5 mm wide and 1.5 mm thick european basswood as it prvoee ne the best material cutwise and bending wise so i can taper down to 2 mm at the bow..... i like it enormously. and its fairly cheap . ( by the way Lime as it is called in my country is national tree of country so it has very long carving tradition as its perfect for sculpting and violin work. ) 

I will have to get it sawn to my liking. if i count  it should be smaller based on original Planks dimensions 6" - 2 mm is pretty much unusable by modeling standards in case i want to taper and bend towards bow and aftwards as well. 

i dont have window to dive into it properly and focus on her at the moment or anytime soon. 

i made a promis to myself that i will start with the autmun rains  so 4 months till than  but when there is a window i will work small bits. sanding bulkheads... and i want to put wooden blocks as suports for bulkheads as those are not so near to withstand sanding...so these are my actual doings...

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