bosco72 Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share #121 Posted November 15, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Morrison Posted November 15, 2020 Share #122 Posted November 15, 2020 Your paint job is spectacular! I have read of techniques like yours but have never seen it in photos. I will follow from hear! Bill bosco72 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share #123 Posted November 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Bill Morrison said: Your paint job is spectacular! I have read of techniques like yours but have never seen it in photos. I will follow from hear! Bill Thank you so much for your kind words. Its very much appreciated. Learning as I go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share #124 Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) Removed the gun door ropes and hoops, unfortunately caused a little damaged. decided that I could do a bit better. Instead of using a hoop facing forward. I thought of using a half moon on the verticle an thicker thread so it would be more visable Edited November 15, 2020 by bosco72 Danstream 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bosco72 Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share #126 Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) Took out some of the banister added a ladder, I think it flows better Edited November 15, 2020 by bosco72 Jeff T 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share #127 Posted November 16, 2020 Just started reading this, some very clear pictures not sure if I'm going to go to this detail in this build, maybe the next one. J11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share #128 Posted November 16, 2020 More progress, I'm happy with adding the inner handrail detail, just need to build and paint the rest and weather them. J11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share #129 Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) Decided after being happy with the main deck handrail addition, I decided I wasn't. It too was lacking deltail. So I'm attempting to add further depth, not sure I'll do this to every deck. The hand rail has an added strip as to the spindles. Edited November 18, 2020 by bosco72 Ryland Craze, Jeff T and rkwz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share #130 Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) Also not happy with the brass/copper loop on each gun door, I think it should be two, with two single ropes. Have ordered 1mm wire to see if this is good. Happy to take feed back on how this looks. Edited November 18, 2020 by bosco72 Ryland Craze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted November 18, 2020 Share #131 Posted November 18, 2020 In this period they only used 1 single rope / gun door bosco72 and rkwz 2 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share #132 Posted November 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Backer said: In this period they only used 1 single rope / gun door This info is much appreciated. Thankful you are helping, and thankful it solves this particular dilemma. Thank you. Baker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share #133 Posted November 19, 2020 Got some good lighting today, you can really see the colours now, as apposed to the strange orange that the overhead gu10s give off. Jeff T, rkwz and Ryland Craze 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share #134 Posted November 19, 2020 Looking to add some belay points, timberheads or cleats? Had a Google but can't find anything definative, (will update this if I do). Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share #135 Posted November 19, 2020 Started knotting instead of CA ing. I'm not very good at it, will stick with it and buy some decent full size rope to practice. Jeff T and rkwz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share #136 Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) Progress, needed a step. Added a step. Also you can see in the background the depth and detail the internal banisters give. Edited November 22, 2020 by bosco72 rkwz and J11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share #137 Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) Internal banisters, they give more detail and will allow for timberheads a little further down the line. Also you can see unweathered gun door rope next to a weathered one. Edited November 22, 2020 by bosco72 J11, rkwz and Jeff T 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share #138 Posted November 22, 2020 Decided that I'm not happy with the cotton rigging, going to start the process of removing it. There will be damage. Will keep the dark rope for standing and add a lighter shade rope for the rest. Also started to look a seizing the ropes this time around. J11, rkwz, Danstream and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share #139 Posted November 22, 2020 Wish list: netting and ropes to hold down cargo. Open up the cargo covers. Barrels, buckets and lanterns to scale. Drill out ends of the guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share #140 Posted November 22, 2020 Had to remove gun door ropes, placed them too high up, damage and then sanding, also working on the stays. Ryland Craze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwz Posted November 22, 2020 Share #141 Posted November 22, 2020 Hi Bosco, I might suggest to rig the ratlines first as the stays could pull the masts out of alignment? Just speaking from experience... Cheers, Ron bosco72 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share #142 Posted November 22, 2020 57 minutes ago, rkwz said: Hi Bosco, I might suggest to rig the ratlines first as the stays could pull the masts out of alignment? Just speaking from experience... Cheers, Ron Hey thanks for the heads up. I've watched a lot of builds a many advise the other way around. Do you mean get the shroud lines in first? Or both, shrouds and ratlines? The advice I'm seeing a lot with rigging order is this - work from the back to the front, bottom to top and center outwards, which makes sense to me, apogies if that explanation is a little confusing as it works more on a visual level. That said I'm always open for all the advice I can soak up. So thank you again. Ryland Craze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwz Posted November 22, 2020 Share #143 Posted November 22, 2020 1 hour ago, bosco72 said: Hey thanks for the heads up. I've watched a lot of builds a many advise the other way around. Do you mean get the shroud lines in first? Or both, shrouds and ratlines? The advice I'm seeing a lot with rigging order is this - work from the back to the front, bottom to top and center outwards, which makes sense to me, apogies if that explanation is a little confusing as it works more on a visual level. That said I'm always open for all the advice I can soak up. So thank you again. Oh I see, I followed the advice of some helpful forum members earlier and did the rigging based on Noel Hackney's guide to classic ships (copies can be found online but only hardcopy books). The manual sets out the rigging in a step by step manner which simplifies everything tremendously. I did find having the shrouds (sorry I meant shrouds and ratlines in my earlier post) in place first provided much needed downward pressure to stabilise the masts, especially the upper mast shrouds which will prevent the topmasts from pulling too far forward or back. Especially so since I had snapped the main mast when I dropped the model... You may find the plastic spars are quite bendy as well ... In hindsight and based on the suggestion of others, I would have used bamboo skewers instead (with a little tapering). I'm not suggesting this is the best method, only that it works for me! 😉 bosco72 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 23, 2020 Author Share #144 Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, rkwz said: Oh I see, I followed the advice of some helpful forum members earlier and did the rigging based on Noel Hackney's guide to classic ships (copies can be found online but only hardcopy books). The manual sets out the rigging in a step by step manner which simplifies everything tremendously. I did find having the shrouds (sorry I meant shrouds and ratlines in my earlier post) in place first provided much needed downward pressure to stabilise the masts, especially the upper mast shrouds which will prevent the topmasts from pulling too far forward or back. Especially so since I had snapped the main mast when I dropped the model... You may find the plastic spars are quite bendy as well ... In hindsight and based on the suggestion of others, I would have used bamboo skewers instead (with a little tapering). I'm not suggesting this is the best method, only that it works for me! 😉 Wow, they are 40 year old books. Which ones do you have, I think he did three in the series, if there are more I have never read them. I've read the, Victory, Sark and Mayflower. I currently have the Victory no.1, as that will at some point in the future be a build that I will do. They are very rare/costly books now. At some point I have every intention of digitising my copy and sharing it, as they are out of print now and eventually will be impossible to get, and that would be a shame for future generations. Edited November 23, 2020 by bosco72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwz Posted November 23, 2020 Share #145 Posted November 23, 2020 Hi bosco, Depending how hard you look, you can pick them up quite cheaply (not sure why some people are selling them for over $100). I got 2 out of 3 so far, Victory and Mayflower. Victory cost me about 5 pounds (shipped from the UK), and Mayflower about $17 AUD (local reseller). I think the Mayflower rig would be better suited to the Golden Hind (keeping in mind it won't be exactly the same), and I can see you have Lennarth Petersons manual too which should help visualise certain steps. Happy reading! bosco72 and Baker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted November 23, 2020 Share #146 Posted November 23, 2020 If you want to drill out the barrel of the cannons. Usually these were 6 pounders with a bore diameter of about 76mm (on this scale 1 mm looks ok). I think you have a rigging plan a few hundred years later than the GH, 16th century rigging is different from your drawings. And yes, normally first the shrouds, and then the yards rkwz, SigEp Ziggy and bosco72 3 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share #147 Posted November 25, 2020 On 11/23/2020 at 3:47 AM, rkwz said: Hi bosco, Depending how hard you look, you can pick them up quite cheaply (not sure why some people are selling them for over $100). I got 2 out of 3 so far, Victory and Mayflower. Victory cost me about 5 pounds (shipped from the UK), and Mayflower about $17 AUD (local reseller). I think the Mayflower rig would be better suited to the Golden Hind (keeping in mind it won't be exactly the same), and I can see you have Lennarth Petersons manual too which should help visualise certain steps. Happy reading! I think I have the Revell kit of the Mayflower, I could take a look how the instructions say to rig that. Baker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share #148 Posted November 26, 2020 Belay pins, timberheads or cleats? Unsure at this point, added some timberheads as a work in progress. Ryland Craze and J11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share #149 Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) Added more hand rails, they needed sanding (middle deck). Working on rope seizing and trying to find colours that I like. Thinking of adding newls to the balcony at the back, to give it a little more substance. Edited November 29, 2020 by bosco72 Jeff T, J11, rkwz and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosco72 Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share #150 Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) When seizing the rope, I find the cotton continually unravels. I've tried different glues, too messy. Are there other things I could try? Seizing away from the model is a little easier, but there are several ropes that require being in place before hand. Thanks in advance. Edited November 29, 2020 by bosco72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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