HMS Beagle by Robp1025 - OcCre - 1:60

[Pete D]

3 hours ago, Maliba1025 said:

So started work on the dead eyes and the finished product will be cleaner as per the first "test" assembly. Except now looking at the photo I'm realizing it's not as clean as I want...welp I can fix that lol. 

 

So them popping up like that will be tucked into the whales so it's all clean fits. 

 

I'm feeling like I'm wasting brass though with such long stems. (I'm a conservationist and hate waste 😵😵). I also do not have a extensive amount of back up supplies so there is that too which I'm trying to work on. Anyways yea going well and when I showed my wife she made the comment that it looks like cute lollipops. Felt like I should share that to see if I get any laughs. 

You should have enough of the brass , its the 1mm diam that they were short on . Looking great so far

[Robp1025]

44 minutes ago, Pete D said:

You should have enough of the brass , its the 1mm diam that they were short on . Looking great so far

Ok that's good to know and I still have 15 cm of 1mm brass so I might just make it with that. Yours is looking amazing too btw. 

[Dean77]

Looking great!

I had to order some.more of the 1mm brass rod, I had no where near enough!

Not expensive and next day delivery so all is good! It's nice having plenty so if I mess up I have enough to retry.

[Robp1025]

Going smooth and steady once you start learning the tricks to get the small pieces manipulated I got into a pretty good rhythm with them. 

 

I'm really happy with how these are coming out. Only one gave me a small issue where I used the wrong bracket which is why the paint peeled. 

Edited April 16, 2021 by Maliba1025

[Robp1025]

@LucienL I have a question I just downloaded the anatomy of the ship for the Beagle and I was looking through the diagrams and the OcCre instructions aren't the same as the book. 

 

Should I be switching the the 5 slot and the two slot to make it correct? Or is the OcCre correct? 

[Keith Black]

 Maliba, FYI. Notice In the illustration above, notice how the deadeye straps toward the stern run at an angle like so,  /    and gradually become straight up and down like so,  I   the closer the shrouds and straps get to the mast?  See illustration below. This allows the pull/load of the shroud lines to be aligned with the straps. It's a very small detail but something you need to be aware of for future builds. 

 

[Techtonic]

3 hours ago, Maliba1025 said:

@LucienL I have a question I just downloaded the anatomy of the ship for the Beagle and I was looking through the diagrams and the OcCre instructions aren't the same as the book. 

 

Should I be switching the the 5 slot and the two slot to make it correct? Or is the OcCre correct? 

As I mentioned in my log a few days ago, the 5 slot wale is in the correct place but is incorrectly installed upside down in the instructions. It looks like you have swapped the places of the two and five slot wales. I'd say it's too late to change it now, breaking it apart and re-doing will probably make more of a mess of things than it's worth.

[LucienL]

3 hours ago, Maliba1025 said:

@LucienL I have a question I just downloaded the anatomy of the ship for the Beagle and I was looking through the diagrams and the OcCre instructions aren't the same as the book. 

 

Should I be switching the the 5 slot and the two slot to make it correct? Or is the OcCre correct? 

Yeah I think the 5 needs to be closest to the entrance. That’s how I did it in mine. The instructions are a bit weird on this one. The prototype on the picture on the box looks right, but it’s different to the anatomy of the ship. I think the provided channels are the same as anatomy of the ship, but the instructions try and get you to follow how they’ve done it on the prototype which leads to some issues.

 

[LucienL]

2 hours ago, Keith Black said:

 Maliba, FYI. Notice In the illustration above, notice how the deadeye straps toward the stern run at an angle like so,  /    and gradually become straight up and down like so,  I   the closer the shrouds and straps get to the mast?  See illustration below. This allows the pull/load of the shroud lines to be aligned with the straps. It's a very small detail but something you need to be aware of for future builds. 

 

I’m very tempted to re-do mine now. Issue is, with the gun ports it’s impossible to angle them all, meaning that some will still have to be straight, and I’m not sure I like the look of that

[Robp1025]

6 hours ago, Keith Black said:

 Maliba, FYI. Notice In the illustration above, notice how the deadeye straps toward the stern run at an angle like so,  /    and gradually become straight up and down like so,  I   the closer the shrouds and straps get to the mast?  See illustration below. This allows the pull/load of the shroud lines to be aligned with the straps. It's a very small detail but something you need to be aware of for future builds. 

 

Ok so it's a gradual progression not having all of them straight. So I have only done one side of my ship should I follow this sequence for the other side you think or should I make sure to do it right in the next build just for uniformity in this particular build?

 

@Techtonic @LucienL I appreciate your guys feedback and answers. I wish i would have figured this out sooner but now it's my inexperience that's coming through and lack of research. I'm thankful though to learn and get help from all you guys!!

[Keith Black]

4 minutes ago, Maliba1025 said:

So I have only done one side of my ship should I follow this sequence for the other side you think or should I make sure to do it right in the next build just for uniformity in this particular build?

 If you're not going to change the port covers then don't change the straps and make this build strictly a learning tool. 

[Robp1025]

Got the other side of the ship deadeyes straps done and then did some of the small detail pieces. Gonna push through page I and see where I can get to with the rest of my vacation. 

[Cathead]

Another detail you might consider, look closely at the deadeyes in the drawings given previously. Deadeyes are always rigged in the same orientation, with the point of the triangle of holes facing down for the lower deadeye and up for the upper one. They should "face away" from each other in a matched pair, like two triangles pointing away from each other. This is not only "right", it will also make the rigging easier and cleaner.  Not sure if this is easy for you to fix or not, but wanted to point it out. Sorry I'm just catching up now, may be too late.

 

One other small note, it's "wale" rather than "whale" when referring to that part of the ship. Not being a nit-picker, just pointing it out since you're enjoying learning from this build and using correct terminology is part of the fun and experience. It can also make it easier for others to help you!

 

Keep up the good work!

[Robp1025]

2 hours ago, Cathead said:

Another detail you might consider, look closely at the deadeyes in the drawings given previously. Deadeyes are always rigged in the same orientation, with the point of the triangle of holes facing down for the lower deadeye and up for the upper one. They should "face away" from each other in a matched pair, like two triangles pointing away from each other. This is not only "right", it will also make the rigging easier and cleaner.  Not sure if this is easy for you to fix or not, but wanted to point it out. Sorry I'm just catching up now, may be too late.

 

One other small note, it's "wale" rather than "whale" when referring to that part of the ship. Not being a nit-picker, just pointing it out since you're enjoying learning from this build and using correct terminology is part of the fun and experience. It can also make it easier for others to help you!

 

Keep up the good work!

Thank you and yes I dont mind. I'm using my cellphone so it auto corrects it a lot so I'm having to force it to use the correct terms cause it's not in its library. I've actually gone into the book "anatomy of the ship" for the Beagle to try and learn terms as I'm talking. And there is some ability to fix the deadeyes pretty easy.

Edited April 17, 2021 by Maliba1025

[Robp1025]

So I have a question. In the instructions I'm seeing two pin rails directly behind the windlass

 

 

But in the Anatomy of the Beagle there is no mention. Is this a historical accuracy error in the model or miss interpretation in the book?

Edited April 17, 2021 by Maliba1025

[Keith Black]

 In figure 13/2 inboard of the ladders it looks like a window, maybe? or pin rails?, it's hard to tell by the drawing. Obviously OcCre interpreted them as being pin rails. 

[Robp1025]

1 hour ago, Keith Black said:

 In figure 13/2 inboard of the ladders it looks like a window, maybe? or pin rails?, it's hard to tell by the drawing. Obviously OcCre interpreted them as being pin rails. 

Those are windows that I have already installed. I think OcCre added the pin rails as a personal flare maybe.

Edited April 17, 2021 by Maliba1025

[LucienL]

19 minutes ago, Maliba1025 said:

Those are windows that I have already installed. I think OcCre added the pin rails as a personal flare maybe.

 

In both anatomy of the ship and the OcCre instructions, rigging needs to be tied off there, so you need something to do that with. It could have been pin racks and they just haven't included it in the diagram. Have a look at figure I4/1 in anatomy of the ship, something has to go behind the windlass that is definitely not shown in the anatomy of the ship diagram. It might be hidden by the mast in this diagram, I think that the pin rack should go in the middle of the two posts running behind the mast.

The rigging page of the instructions has it right, I think the photo instructions are probably wrong, there should be two pins on the sides of the posts and two between, that should give you the correct dimensions

 

 

Edited April 17, 2021 by LucienL

[Robp1025]

32 minutes ago, LucienL said:

 

In both anatomy of the ship and the OcCre instructions, rigging needs to be tied off there, so you need something to do that with. It could have been pin racks and they just haven't included it in the diagram. Have a look at figure I4/1 in anatomy of the ship, something has to go behind the windlass that is definitely not shown in the anatomy of the ship diagram. It might be hidden by the mast in this diagram, I think that the pin rack should go in the middle of the two posts running behind the mast.

The rigging page of the instructions has it right, I think the photo instructions are probably wrong, there should be two pins on the sides of the posts and two between, that should give you the correct dimensions

 

 

So it looks like there is 8 tie offs behind the windlass by those instructions. Jt102 jt34 jt33 jt41 jt41 jt 35 jt36 and another jt33. So should we have that many pins in the rail?

Or am I looking at the wrong one?

[Robp1025]

And then Anatomy has 10 slots needed. So I'm trying to make sure I have enough there and obviously right now, looking at the instructions, there isn't enough. I've read that the rigging on this ship is really tricky because its confusing so I want to make sure it's right the first time

Edited April 17, 2021 by Maliba1025

[LucienL]

18 minutes ago, Maliba1025 said:

And then Anatomy has 10 slots needed. So I'm trying to make sure I have enough there and obviously right now, looking at the instructions, there isn't enough. I've read that the rigging on this ship is really tricky because its confusing so I want to make sure it's right the first time

I think 6 should be enough, some of them may tie off to the post. AOTS may have additional rigging not included in the instructions (I'm not really sure at the moment though), but if you do the rigging as per the instructions, 6 should be enough.

[LucienL]

Okay, looking at the instructions again, 6 tie off to belaying pins (J33, J33, J34, J35, J36 and J102), with 8 that tie off somewhere on the posts (J41, J41, J50, J54, J81, J81) I'm not sure where exactly the 2 J73s tie off to, may need to check the videos, but it could be the posts as well.

[LucienL]

Also, AOTS has ropes tying off to anchor points at the base of the foremast. These are not present in the kit, so the lack of these could be contributing to how crowded the pin rack behind the windlass appears to be. If there’s space you could add some eyebolts around the fore mast (similar to the main mast) to tie off some of the ropes.

[Robp1025]

41 minutes ago, LucienL said:

Also, AOTS has ropes tying off to anchor points at the base of the foremast. These are not present in the kit, so the lack of these could be contributing to how crowded the pin rack behind the windlass appears to be. If there’s space you could add some eyebolts around the fore mast (similar to the main mast) to tie off some of the ropes.

Cool I'm thinking I might add two eye hooks as a safety measure incase things get crowded. It's better to be safe than sorry I would say maybe @Pete D might have some insight cause he is on rigging atm 

[Robp1025]

Got details done and the pin racks and wheel it was a slow day today though. However it's not a race but a marathon and I will finish 😁😁

[Keith Black]

Maliba, that looks nice, very pleasing to the eye. 

[Robp1025]

Alright so stern is now situated and painted. I'm getting super excited now because it's starting to really come together. Time to turn my attention to the bow and get some more of this ship together.

 

One "modification" sort of was the placement of the rope ladder up the stairs.

 

 

I didn't like how the instructions wanted it to end up so close to the deck.

 

 

I made it be a little more realistic where its higher so it looks like an actual rope banister. 

 

 

And this is a high up view of the stern I think it's coming out great and I'm very happy with how I feel I'm getting a lot of the details to look. 

 

and some close up photos so yea this is really kind of exciting for me  and sorry if this seems stupid but it's my first model so I'm like back to my childhood when I was doing my models in my living room of my parents house. 

 

[Cathead]

Your excitement is justified.

[Pete D]

I had not seen this as been an issue . In my limited experience I have seen rigging tied to pins and posts . So I sort of assumed that this would be the case. I have reached this stage and this is the result The most right had thread is JT41 , attached between the post and the belaying pin. It seems ok to me , not sure about the purists though . Apologies for the photography

[Pete D]

6 hours ago, Maliba1025 said:

Alright so stern is now situated and painted. I'm getting super excited now because it's starting to really come together. Time to turn my attention to the bow and get some more of this ship together.

 

One "modification" sort of was the placement of the rope ladder up the stairs.

 

 

I didn't like how the instructions wanted it to end up so close to the deck.

 

 

I made it be a little more realistic where its higher so it looks like an actual rope banister. 

 

 

And this is a high up view of the stern I think it's coming out great and I'm very happy with how I feel I'm getting a lot of the details to look. 

 

and some close up photos so yea this is really kind of exciting for me  and sorry if this seems stupid but it's my first model so I'm like back to my childhood when I was doing my models in my living room of my parents house. 

 

Excellent work , a model you can be proud of