Jolie Brise by DispleasedOwl - Artesania Latina

[BobG]

Very nice work on that topsail! It looks much better.

 

Do the instructions and plans clearly show how the topsail is rigged? I would be very interested in seeing the rigging lines for the topsail and where they are secured.

[king derelict]

The top sail looks really nice. Great work

Looks like a lively sailing day in the photo

Alan

[DispleasedOwl]

On 5/6/2022 at 7:15 PM, BobG said:

Do the instructions and plans clearly show how the topsail is rigged? I would be very interested in seeing the rigging lines for the topsail and where they are secured.

More or less so, one of the vertices of the sail is secured to the gaff, the other one goes through a block at the top of the mast and then down to the base, where there are some belaying pins where you can secure it. The other one goes from the bottom vertex straight to a pin in the deck, and then secured to the main mast base as well. Let me pull some pictures for you.

 

Here are the plans that come with the kit. Notice the 3 vertices:

And here you can see, from a top-down perspective, the main mast base and the pin in the deck

 

Here you can see a picture of the real deal. In green, you can see the line that comes down from the lowest vertex of the topsail, which secures to the deck pin. In orange, you can see all the lines that are secured to the belaying pins in the mast base, which one of them must be the one that comes from the block at the top of the mast. Sorry for the low quality picture, its the best i could find.

 

Edited May 9, 2022 by DispleasedOwl

[BobG]

Thank you very much for your detailed reply! I've been building the Pen Duick by Artesania Latina and the instructions and plans for the rigging are poor. It looks like the plans for the Jolie Bris are quite a bit better and your post is very helpful. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain how the topsail is rigged on your model.

 

Unlike the diagram of the Jolie Bris topsail, the tack on the foot of the topsail on the Pen Duick extends down below the gaff boom underneath it. So I've been wondering about how they get the topsail over to the other side of the boom when the boat comes about since it extends down below the gaff boom. I think there must be a line attached to both sides of the tack on a topsail that extends down below the boom so that it can be pulled up and over the boom when the boat is coming about. Otherwise, a long topsail that extends down below the boom, would get stuck on the wrong side of the boom when tacking.

[DispleasedOwl]

So, after looking at more pictures of the Jolie Brise, i realized i wanted my model to look alive. Sails full of wind, sailing across the waves! I started investigating on how to do exactly that, to simulate the sails in a way that looks realistic. Just look at them, i wanted to emulate that look.

 

 

This is the gig that i made. After the sail was completed, i tied its corners to the edges of a bow using some clips. I then took some marbles, put them inside a piece of cloth and tied it so they dont move. I then sprayed hairspray, and before it hardened i put the marbles in there to act as a weight. The hairspray does not change the color of the fabric, which was my biggest fear.

This is the final result. 

In order to also support the sail, the rope that connect the 90 degree angle of the sail to the deck had to be rigid as well. I thought of a small metal cable, but at this scale it would be too noticeable. So what i ended up doing is hardening the rope with some cyanocrylate glue. It worked well enough, and this are the results:

 

 

Next sail is the flying jib. I will be doing it today.

[yvesvidal]

Great work. Some people have used inflated balloons to get the proper shape of the sails. Another idea to toy with....

 

Yves

[DispleasedOwl]

FJOO: Flying Jib Officially On!

[yvesvidal]

This little vessel is coming along nicely. I love the colors

 

Yves

[DispleasedOwl]

Updates, the Gaff Topsail is done. I found some plans and the gaff topsail extends a little bit further down the gaff alongside the mast:

 

 

Also i found some photos regarding how the gaff is rigged, and i found this:

 

You can barely see it, but in the red circle you can see a pulley and a block, and thats how the gaff is rigged to the deck. It is secured against a hook and a pin on the deck. I did not make this 100% accurately, but its a detail i wouldve missed some weeks ago.

 

This is how it turned out:

 

 

I am now sewing the spanker sail. I am considering whether or not to add a job topsail. What do you guys think?

[BobG]

Nice job! Thanks for all the photos of the topsail. They are very helpful to me in understanding topsail rigging.

[Dr PR]

The  upper drawing in post #41 is a "jackyard topsail." Leather's "Gaff Rig Handbook" says it was invented to get around rules for class racing where the gaff was limited in length. The gaff yard increased the sail area over what the other gaff topsails provided.

 

Without the spar attached to the gaff and just the spar hoisted to the mast top it would be a "spar gaff topsail." This was also a way to increase the sail area and raise it higher to catch winds above the surface.

 

Without either of the spars it is a gaff topsail - but I have found at least eight different gaff topsail configurations. I have posted quite a bit of information about schooner sails and rigging in the following link. Some of it may be of use in your build.

 

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25679-topsail-schooner-sail-plans-and-rigging/?do=findComment&comment=750865

 

[BobG]

16 hours ago, Dr PR said:

I have posted quite a bit of information about schooner sails and rigging in the following link. Some of it may be of use in your build.

Phil has assembled a treasure trove of information about rigging in his topic. It's outstanding!

[BenD]

Really great work you're doing here, The wind filled sails are really bringing her to life. 👍

 

Your home made rope is also fuzzless and tight! Looks like you got the hang of it quick.