Flying Fish by Rick310 - Model Shipways - 1/96

[rwiederrich]

3 hours ago, Rick310 said:

Thanks for the input Rob,  

really appreciated!  I’ll go back and re-measure the stirrups, they’re supposed to be approximately 3 1/2 ft.

Rick

Sounds about right...what is the diameter of the yard at full scale?   That might give you a bit more perspective.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, Snug Harbor Johnny said:

  Should the jackstays be a little 'forward' on the yard, instead of top-dead-center?  'Haven't done any yet on a 1:100 project but will, in time, get to them.

From my research the jackstays were top center.  Here is a pic to show you.

[gak1965]

53 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

From my research the jackstays were top center.  Here is a pic to show you.

Interesting, the plans for the Fish indicate them being forward rather than TDC. My AOTS for USS Constitution omits the backstays for clarity and Crothers doesn't seem to talk about them.

[rwiederrich]

7 minutes ago, gak1965 said:

Interesting, the plans for the Fish indicate them being forward rather than TDC. My AOTS for USS Constitution omits the backstays for clarity and Crothers doesn't seem to talk about them.

I'm sure anywhere near the top won't make or break the situation.  Like I said, all my personal research has shown they are typically (actually every time) are depicted right on top.  Even the big German Square riggers showed them there.   I tend to lean to symmetry.  Truss on the back, lift bolts on top, blocks placed typically at 12, 3, 6, and 9 O'clock....and the sheet blocks right beneath.  The stirrups secure to them, then hang aft....the beckets or sail straps hang from the front.  It....to me, is based on symmetry.

No reason to make it anything different.  IMHV.

 

Rob

[Rick310]

Thanks Rob and George for your input.  I am currently out of town helping my daughter plan her wedding (my input not required, just my approval).  I will check everything when I get back.

Rick

[MrBlueJacket]

If you're re-doing the footropes, consider using fine wire. It can be shaped to have realistic curvature. Go to this link and then to post #251

 

 

[Rick310]

 Ic, I used 28  ga copper wire for the stirrups and .012 black thread for the foot ropes.  My intention is to apply Matt varnish to the foot ropes and shape them to the proper shape after I finish the rest of the work on the topsail yard.I’ll see if that works 

Rick

[rwiederrich]

Fun stuff.   I add my foot ropes then tie in the stirrups and then paint the entire yard and them black. The paint stiffens the thread and makes it compliable……

 

Rob

[Rick310]

I really like that technique!  I think I’m going to try it as my results with the varnish have been somewhat inconsistent.

Rick

[Rick310]

I really like the idea of placing the foot ropes first, that way they are the same length .  Harder to do when threading the foot ropes through the stirrups.

Rick

[rwiederrich]

On 6/1/2024 at 1:34 PM, Rick310 said:

I really like the idea of placing the foot ropes first, that way they are the same length .  Harder to do when threading the foot ropes through the stirrups.

Rick

I run the foot ropes to the proper *droop*....then I run the stirrups down from the yard to the foot rope.  tying them off neatly.  One the yard is completed...but before you add your blocks....I spray paint the entire rig black.  
This stiffens the footropes and stirrups and also aids in securing them neatly to the yard....  Making it all looks nice and neat.  One benefit of laying the footropes first is you can work to eliminate that pesky line curl, you sometimes get when using thread wound on a spool...(If you do that kinda thing)..

Once the footropes are hanging naturally...it is a simple task of securing the stirrups to the jackstays...Or simply around the yard and then forming them into a straight line down to the footrope...where you tie it off neatly...with the proper securing method.

[Rick310]

That’s a beautiful rigging job Rob!!  The foot ropes look great!!  I see what you mean about the length of the stirrups.

I’m going to try painting the foot ropes black also.

Rck

[rwiederrich]

You need to take into consideration the scale of the men working the sails.  If the stirrups are too long the man will be far too low on the yard...and he needs to be able to lean over the yard or at least have the yard at his waist level.  Here are a couple of my scale crewmen for example.

Rob

[Rick310]

Rob, I’ve tried to shorten the stirrups, probably not as much as they should be but better than what they were.

Really appreciate your input!

The pictures of your GS are amazing!  Incredibly well done!

Rick

[rwiederrich]

15 hours ago, Rick310 said:

Rob, I’ve tried to shorten the stirrups, probably not as much as they should be but better than what they were.

Really appreciate your input!

The pictures of your GS are amazing!  Incredibly well done!

Rick

Rick...just remember to keep the hang of the footropes in scale.  Imagine a scale man resting over the yard on his belly..... reaching for sail to furl.  Place the footropes at that level....then add the stirrups.    You will always be  even and both sides will be aligned.  Symmetry is important here.   there is nothing worse then seeing footropes so long that if a person were to be standing on them...the yard would be over their head.

 

Not Good.

 

Thanks for the fine comment.  I find keeping the rigging as accurate as possible is the most rewarding for me.   In this case....for me....MORE is better...  As long as it is in scale....or pretty darn close.

 

Rob 

[ClipperFan]

5 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Rick...just remember to keep the hang of the footropes in scale.  Imagine a scale man resting over the yard on his belly..... reaching for sail to furl.  Place the footropes at that level....then add the stirrups.    You will always be  even and both sides will be aligned.  Symmetry is important here.   there is nothing worse then seeing footropes so long that if a person were to be standing on them...the yard would be over their head.

 

Not Good.

 

Thanks for the fine comment.  I find keeping the rigging as accurate as possible is the most rewarding for me.   In this case....for me....MORE is better...  As long as it is in scale....or pretty darn close.

 

Rob 

@rwiederrich Rob, when it comes to reproducing a vessel in scale, while admittedly it's a challenge to keep items scale accurate, the benefit is a far more believable replica. Footropes and stirrups as discussed, serve a very specific function. That's to supply crew a useful perch to work equipment on yards. Having too long stirrups defeats the purpose of even having them. In this case, utilizing 1:96th scale figures would facilitate instillation of these important lines. A carefully thought out model, especially in reproducing these meticulous details really elevates the overall quality of the whole.