druxey Posted August 1, 2022 Share #31 Posted August 1, 2022 Just found your log. It's nice to see an unusual subject modeled, and so nicely as well! Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrat Posted August 3, 2022 Share #32 Posted August 3, 2022 Thanks for choosing this beautiful topic. I would imagine this beast would be paddled not rowed because of its low freeboard and this fits with the maori waka or war canoe concept as Louie da Fly suggests. Do you think this would have been coated in pitch? But the grain of the wood is pretty. A lovely piece it will be. Dick🙂 mtaylor 1 Quote Current build: Le Gros Ventre 1:48 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/564-le-gros-ventre-by-woodrat-scale-1-48-pof-1767-french-exploration-vessel/ Past builds: Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame:https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33384-mycenaean-war-galley-by-woodrat-148-shell-first-plank-on-frame Venetian round ship 14th century by Woodrat fully framed - 1:40 scale Completed https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/17991-venetian-round-ship-14th-century-by-woodrat-fully-framed-140-scale Venetian Carrack or Cocha 1/64 by woodrat https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4915-venetian-carrack-or-cocha-164-by-woodrat completed United States Frigate Essex 1:64 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4496-usf-essex-by-woodrat-scale-1-64-fully-framed-from-takakjian-plans/ - completed Yenikapi12 by Woodrat - 1/16 scale - a small Byzantine merchant vessel of the 9th century https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23815-yenikapi12-by-woodrat-116-scale-a-small-byzantine-merchant-vessel-of-the-9th-century-finished/ The Incredible Hulc by Woodrat - an experimental reconstruction of a mediaeval transport https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25641-the-elusive-hulc-by-woodrat-finished-a-speculative-reconstruction-of-a-mediaeval-merchantman-132-plank-on-frame/ Location: Perth, Western Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowcaster Posted August 3, 2022 Author Share #33 Posted August 3, 2022 Hello, Hmm, I hadn't thought about that, but it makes a lot of sense that she would have been coated in pitch. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowcaster Posted August 3, 2022 Author Share #34 Posted August 3, 2022 The first board for the rowers is laid. It is made of maple, and the wooden nails are made of ash. druxey, Rudolf, ccoyle and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldemar Posted August 3, 2022 Share #35 Posted August 3, 2022 Woodrat's suggestion about paddling instead of rowing is quite clever, but you would then lose attractive outriggers. Difficult choice... mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted August 3, 2022 Share #36 Posted August 3, 2022 Assuming that this is a warship, would paddling provide enough momentum for the ram to be effective? Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldemar Posted August 4, 2022 Share #37 Posted August 4, 2022 We'll find out in the next photos of building this model 🙂 mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowcaster Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share #38 Posted August 5, 2022 Interesting discussion, with strong arguments. Unfortunately, I cannot judge who is right. I don't want to offend anyone, but I have decided to make the model according to the plans and schemes that I have. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowcaster Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share #39 Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) A few more seats... Edited August 17, 2022 by shadowcaster Waldemar, mtaylor, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted August 5, 2022 Share #40 Posted August 5, 2022 Interesting idea about paddling, but contemporary representations on pottery show this type of ship was rowed, not paddled. Thebes vase (krater) - 735-720 BC. Dipylon vase (approx 750 BC) Steven druxey, Roger Pellett, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 4 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldemar Posted August 5, 2022 Share #41 Posted August 5, 2022 So the matter is finally solved, and even in the double way: archaeological and practical... Louie da fly and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowcaster Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share #42 Posted August 5, 2022 Thanks for the pictures. Seeing this vase pattern was very inspiring to me. 🤩 Louie da fly and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowcaster Posted August 8, 2022 Author Share #43 Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) With all seats and temporary stand made of lime tree Edited August 8, 2022 by shadowcaster mtaylor, Rudolf, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrat Posted August 8, 2022 Share #44 Posted August 8, 2022 Quite so, I stand corrected. The aphract was certainly rowed. Dugouts were often paddled though.😁 Dick mtaylor 1 Quote Current build: Le Gros Ventre 1:48 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/564-le-gros-ventre-by-woodrat-scale-1-48-pof-1767-french-exploration-vessel/ Past builds: Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame:https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33384-mycenaean-war-galley-by-woodrat-148-shell-first-plank-on-frame Venetian round ship 14th century by Woodrat fully framed - 1:40 scale Completed https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/17991-venetian-round-ship-14th-century-by-woodrat-fully-framed-140-scale Venetian Carrack or Cocha 1/64 by woodrat https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4915-venetian-carrack-or-cocha-164-by-woodrat completed United States Frigate Essex 1:64 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4496-usf-essex-by-woodrat-scale-1-64-fully-framed-from-takakjian-plans/ - completed Yenikapi12 by Woodrat - 1/16 scale - a small Byzantine merchant vessel of the 9th century https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23815-yenikapi12-by-woodrat-116-scale-a-small-byzantine-merchant-vessel-of-the-9th-century-finished/ The Incredible Hulc by Woodrat - an experimental reconstruction of a mediaeval transport https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25641-the-elusive-hulc-by-woodrat-finished-a-speculative-reconstruction-of-a-mediaeval-merchantman-132-plank-on-frame/ Location: Perth, Western Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowcaster Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share #45 Posted August 9, 2022 I will use maple for the front platform. GrandpaPhil, druxey and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowcaster Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share #46 Posted August 9, 2022 But now the thickness will be twice less than the seats. The needed thickness is 0.7mm, so the sender will be used again. druxey, GrandpaPhil and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowcaster Posted August 11, 2022 Author Share #47 Posted August 11, 2022 Louie da fly, GrandpaPhil, ccoyle and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted August 11, 2022 Share #48 Posted August 11, 2022 Nice. Steven mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowcaster Posted August 12, 2022 Author Share #49 Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) Edited August 17, 2022 by shadowcaster GrandpaPhil, druxey and bolin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowcaster Posted August 12, 2022 Author Share #50 Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) Edited August 17, 2022 by shadowcaster GrandpaPhil, Paul Le Wol, druxey and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alva004 Posted August 13, 2022 Share #51 Posted August 13, 2022 A fantastic job, I will be attentive to its completion. Greetings. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowcaster Posted August 16, 2022 Author Share #52 Posted August 16, 2022 (edited) The fore platform is done. Edited August 17, 2022 by shadowcaster Ainars, Waldemar, druxey and 6 others 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldemar Posted August 16, 2022 Share #53 Posted August 16, 2022 I am still not convinced about the transverse stability of such watercraft, but I would certainly place such an exotic-looking object with attractive lines in my living room. Simplicity of the construction does not matter here. By the way, for some reason it seems to me that actually only ship models are suitable for display in presentation interiors. With perhaps a few exceptions. Sorry tanks, jets and spaceships 🙂. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowcaster Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share #54 Posted August 18, 2022 Both platforms are done: druxey, ccoyle, bolin and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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