East Ender Posted April 17, 2023 Share #31 Posted April 17, 2023 Very nice! robert952 and Claire7 2 Quote Tim Lent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 17, 2023 Author Share #32 Posted April 17, 2023 Thank you @East Ender! Nothing like a photo to see all the little flaws, bit of asymmetry, but I’m moving on 😅 robert952, Ryland Craze and East Ender 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 17, 2023 Author Share #33 Posted April 17, 2023 (edited) Skeg and bilge keels attached. I don’t want to shock anyone but in my opinion they fit snugly enough without the sanding method suggested. Also I don’t have any rubber cement! I calculated the exact position of the bilge keels by measuring the photo then scaling up. My result: the keels overlap the skeg position by 16mm. Hopefully my photo is clearer. The instructions say “sand the outer surfaces vertical as shown”. I sanded a bit but I see the tops still look flat in the photo so I didn’t continue sanding them fully vertical which would result in them having more of a pointy edge. Edited April 17, 2023 by Claire7 Montaigne, Bryan Woods, kuya and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 17, 2023 Author Share #34 Posted April 17, 2023 Waiting for the dagger board case to dry before sanding. I came up with a nice way to fill the little extra width of the keel plank slot. When removing the side pieces for the dagger board case a thin strip detaches and I’ve used this to cut a tiny piece to fill the gap. You can cut a few until you get one that’s the right size and as square as possible. I used the tweezers that came with the dory kit and a fine tip glue bottle to help place it. It’s slightly proud of the base so I will sand it smooth. Seems a little overkill as I think it will get covered later… but I like the result. I filled the stern side because that’s the side that gets covered later. druxey, East Ender, Bryan Woods and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 17, 2023 Author Share #35 Posted April 17, 2023 P.15 “Check now” My boat is almost a 1/4” narrower than it’s meant to be… but I think I can live with that. Nothing I can do now! druxey, robert952 and Ryland Craze 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montaigne Posted April 17, 2023 Share #36 Posted April 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Claire7 said: P.15 “Check now” My boat is almost a 1/4” narrower than it’s meant to be… No one will ever know but you. And of course MSW’s 43,000 members, but they are all sworn to secrecy punishable by up to five rounds of keelhauling, so no worries. Paul Jarman, Claire7, robert952 and 2 others 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted April 18, 2023 Share #37 Posted April 18, 2023 I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you! But sworn to secrecy as Montaigne has mentioned. robert952, Ryland Craze, Claire7 and 1 other 2 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Ender Posted April 18, 2023 Share #38 Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) I don't think any two wooden boats are the same anyway. Here along the Chesapeake Bay, Deadrises were commonly built by "Rack of Eye", no plans, just experience. If you have time, look up Billy Moore: Chesapeake Boat Builder 1981 on YouTube. He builds a Deadrise using only his years of skill and "eye" at the the Mariners Museum in Newport News,Va. I'm sure your model will be stunning when done, it's still a piece of art. Edited April 18, 2023 by East Ender Claire7, robert952, Ryland Craze and 1 other 3 1 Quote Tim Lent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 18, 2023 Author Share #39 Posted April 18, 2023 39 minutes ago, East Ender said: If you have time, look up Billy Moore: Chesapeake Boat Builder 1981 on YouTube. I always have time for YouTube 😂. A recent favourite “Building a 21’ South Bay Catboat” by Jannik Takul. Thanks for the kind words. East Ender, Ryland Craze and robert952 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cleek Posted April 18, 2023 Share #40 Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Claire7 said: P.15 “Check now” My boat is almost a 1/4” narrower than it’s meant to be… but I think I can live with that. Nothing I can do now! Not to worry. No two wooden boats are ever exactly built to plan, even those built to be exactly the same for class racing under exacting measurement rules. There are always small discrepancies, not only from boat to boat, but also from side to side of the same boat. It is not unusual for a boat to have a "faster tack," because the slight differences between the port and starboard sides affect the speed of the boat when on that tack. As noted, nobody will notice. It's a major accomplishment just to finish a kit. I don't know if there are any verifiable statistics, but if the ratio of started to finished build logs are any indication, you've already beat the odds against you. Nice work! Edited April 18, 2023 by Bob Cleek Montaigne, Claire7, robert952 and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 18, 2023 Author Share #41 Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) Thank you very much @Bob Cleek! Bottom frames now installed and the inwales (first bit of strip wood being used, I couldn’t find them at first!) bent around the boat to dry overnight in a curve. Then I can install them inside the boat. Edited April 18, 2023 by Claire7 Paul Jarman, Bryan Woods, Montaigne and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryland Craze Posted April 18, 2023 Share #42 Posted April 18, 2023 Your Pram is coming along nicely. It is always good to pre-bend your planks. robert952, Claire7 and druxey 3 Quote Ryland Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society - Ship Model Society of New Jersey - Nautical Research Guild Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat Completed Build - Medway Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 18, 2023 Author Share #43 Posted April 18, 2023 Thank you @Ryland Craze! So far today I have installed lots of tiny bits, inwhales, the stern & bow quarter knees and seat & thwart frames. As others have mentioned it takes a bit of thought to work out exact positions especially vertically which is only indicated with a reference photo for some pieces. One thing that threw me off was the position of the A B and C D pairs of frames. Their position is indicated relative to the 2 and 3 bottom frames (but not to each other on the paper strip). Up next: completing the transoms. Paul Le Wol, druxey, Matt D and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 22, 2023 Author Share #44 Posted April 22, 2023 Four floor board cleats are fine but realize just now that two more are needed, thank you @WizardOfOs. Transoms shaped and look good to me. Mast step installed, I cut a scrap piece for the base part that is meant to be solid (as others did). Chain plate slots done. robert952, Ryland Craze, Paul Le Wol and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 22, 2023 Author Share #45 Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) Not sure about the position of the rudder gudgeon pad. (Step 24) can’t quite tell from the photo reference… Edited April 24, 2023 by Claire7 druxey, robert952, Ryland Craze and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montaigne Posted April 22, 2023 Share #46 Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Claire7 said: Not sure about the position of the rudder gudgeon pad. (Step 24) can’t quite tell from the photo reference… It looks to me like it should go up a notch, aligned with the the lower edge of the top plank. Now it’s aligned with the lower edges of the second pair of planks. Edited April 22, 2023 by Montaigne robert952, druxey, Ryland Craze and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 22, 2023 Author Share #47 Posted April 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Montaigne said:It looks to me like it should go up a notch, aligned with the the lower edge of the top plank. Ahh yes! You’re right thank you so much! I didn’t notice that. There’s an etched rectangle so I had assumed it fit inside that but I see in the picture it is aligned with the plank as you say. Ryland Craze, druxey and Montaigne 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share #48 Posted April 24, 2023 So much sanding… the daggerboard, rudder, thwarts and stern sheets. I’m finally ready to paint. Everything seems to fit neatly. I’m planning to stain the rub rails before attaching, and also the thwarts, and maybe the rudder and dagger board. Montaigne, druxey, ccoyle and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted April 24, 2023 Share #49 Posted April 24, 2023 All looks very ship-shape! robert952 and Ryland Craze 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share #50 Posted April 24, 2023 @druxey thanks very much! Happy to be this far along. 😅 robert952 and Ryland Craze 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share #51 Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) Pram interior painted cream, exterior light turquoise with stained thwarts, rub rails, daggerboard and floor boards. Floor boards and thwarts attached. As before everything needed to be sanded, trimmed and beveled as necessary to fit neatly. I just need to trim the ends of the rub rails. Then up next… the tiller assembly. I wanted to darken all the brass bits and ordered Brass Black but couldn’t find it locally. I didn’t want to pay $30 on Amazon either. So I found some on eBay but it likely won’t arrived for 3 weeks. But the time has come to start the metalwork so I may try painting the pieces. Edited April 24, 2023 by Claire7 druxey, Paul Le Wol, Montaigne and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted April 25, 2023 Share #52 Posted April 25, 2023 Looking very nice indeed, Claire. I'd recommend waiting for the chemical blackener; it will never chip off like paint could. Claire7, robert952 and Montaigne 2 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 25, 2023 Author Share #53 Posted April 25, 2023 1 hour ago, druxey said: Looking very nice indeed, Claire. I'd recommend waiting for the chemical blackener; it will never chip off like paint could. Thank you! Ok I’ll try to do that! There are some other things to do… robert952 and Ryland Craze 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 25, 2023 Author Share #54 Posted April 25, 2023 A start on the tiller assembly… I’m not sure I have it the right way around. If I add the supports on the narrow side they are wider which doesn’t seem right. The width matches perfectly if they are glued to the wider sides. But examining the photo it does seem like mine doesn’t quite match. I guess it doesn’t really matter. Also the 1/16” metal rod works for the support ends that join to the rudder. But not the narrower joins. So I will use the 1/32” metal rod supplied. Maybe that’s what is intended and it just wasn’t spelled out. So far I’ve glued the 1/4” long rod in the end of the extension with superglue. And I’ll try the hammering/rivets for the other joins tomorrow. Bryan Woods, Ryland Craze, WizardOfOs and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 25, 2023 Author Share #55 Posted April 25, 2023 Hmm in my photo it looks like the top is wider than the sides too so maybe it’s fine… it’s just not very clear from a photo robert952 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire7 Posted April 25, 2023 Author Share #56 Posted April 25, 2023 As @druxey suggested I am going to wait for the Brass Black. Consider this tiller a trial run! I wanted to understand how it all goes together. But I realized I want to stain it first before any glue, and I want the darker metal parts. So I will be re-making this, and also preparing the other wooden pieces/mast etc. Then stain everything, then do the metalwork. My ceramic soldering plate was broken in transit so I’m waiting for another as well as some soldering tweezers. I filled the soldering torch yesterday and it works ok, doesn’t always light but I just turn it off and wait a few seconds and try again. Ryland Craze, kuya, druxey and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptJoe Posted January 9 Share #57 Posted January 9 On 4/17/2023 at 3:03 PM, Claire7 said: P.15 “Check now” My boat is almost a 1/4” narrower than it’s meant to be… but I think I can live with that. Nothing I can do now! Yup. I have the same problem. Lots of trimming to the thwarts, but so far, no other issues. And, my shear strake was also high so I trimmed it down to the lines shown on the stern transom. robert952 and Bryan Woods 2 Quote CaptJoe Seattle/Tucson Current build: Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed build: Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptJoe Posted January 9 Share #58 Posted January 9 On 4/25/2023 at 7:36 AM, Claire7 said: As @druxey suggested I am going to wait for the Brass Black. Consider this tiller a trial run! I wanted to understand how it all goes together. But I realized I want to stain it first before any glue, and I want the darker metal parts. So I will be re-making this, and also preparing the other wooden pieces/mast etc. Then stain everything, then do the metalwork. My ceramic soldering plate was broken in transit so I’m waiting for another as well as some soldering tweezers. I filled the soldering torch yesterday and it works ok, doesn’t always light but I just turn it off and wait a few seconds and try again. Good luck with the hammering the wire into mushroom heads. I haven't had a lot of success with this and would be interested in hearing comments and suggestions from others. [I'm at this point on the same model.] robert952 and Bryan Woods 2 Quote CaptJoe Seattle/Tucson Current build: Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed build: Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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