HM Armed Cutter Sherbourne by Pitan - Vanguard Models - 1:64

[Pitan]

Been a while since I posted an update here.

Masts and spars have been painted, and now have blocks attached, ready for mounting.

 

I've made a few adaptations:
Rather than use the supplied etched belaying pins, turned brass ones have been used
The windlass was supplied now has sockets for levers  (bars/spokes?).

[Ronald-V]

Such a cute little cutter, progress is nice!  

[Pitan]

1 hour ago, Ronald-V said:

Such a cute little cutter, progress is nice!  

Thank-you, she is elegant.

[PaddyO]

Hello Robert, I just received my kit of the Sherbourne and am following along with your build.  This is a fantastic kit! You are doing a great job and I am learning quite a bit.

I have a question for you regarding gluing on the first layer plywood bulwarks.  When you glued them on, did you also apply glue to the upper part of the bulkhead frames that sit above the deck or did you just apply glue along the lower edges of the bulwark?  I know that in the coming steps, I have to remove the upper parts of the bulkheads (above the deck)  and am thinking if the bulwark is glued to them, then it is going to be very difficult to remove cleanly so that I can apply the inner finished bulwark pieces.   Appreciate your insight on this as I don't want to make a mistake on attaching the bulwarks that might create other issues. 

Paddy

[ECK]

I used a touch of glue so things stay stable and keeps the shape. Not a real issue later as easy to take off sand and cover with inner bulwark.

[PaddyO]

Thank you for the info on this.  I was thinking that trying to remove the upper part of the bulkheads after gluing them would really cause issues with the inner side of the bulwark when I go to install the finished pieces over top. 

 

Paddy

[Stuka]

Really good job,

Nice and informative as im getting the same kit for my first build

[Pitan]

On 7/25/2024 at 2:16 PM, PaddyO said:

Appreciate your insight on this as I don't want to make a mistake on attaching the bulwarks that might create other issues. 

Sorry for the slow reply, Paddy, but I did pretty much as @ECK suggests.
The glue applied there was mean (thin), and I probably missed a few bulkheads.  If I recall correctly, I did pre-bend the bulwarks to reduce the stresses later in the build.

[PaddyO]

Thanks Robert, I will give that approach a try. 

 

Paddy. 

[Pitan]

Sorry for such little progress in the past seven months, and no posts.

Time, and over time, for an update.

We have a ship's boat.


This is Vanguard's 3d printed 14' yawl, which is (I think) the smallest vessel they offer.  It will fit between the mast and the bilge pumps (round holes to right of the image).  I'm not sure how the boat will be stowed, though this seems to be the most logical location.

FWIW, I replaced the yawl's tiller with a brass pin, the (somewhat blurred) head of which can be seen in the photo.

Other changes.
Visible in the photo above are round belaying pins.  These are turned brass items, painted.  These replace the supplied photo etch pins.

A traveller for the jib.

This is attempt four or five, made from a mix of brass and bronze wires.
The design is based on an illustration in Petersson's Rigging Period Fore-and-Aft Craft.

 

The traveller in place on Sherbourne's jib, together with a bent pin acting as a keeper.

 

Sherbourne is a beginner's kit, and doesn't include any means of holding the jib at the stem.

 

I added a piece of U shaped wire to aid in this task (is this a gammon iron?).


Sherbourne, as she is now.
 

The jib and main mast are dry fitted.

[Pitan]

A small update today.
The gun carriages and anchors have been assembled.
Sherbourne will carry the historic six guns as described in the supplied history, rather than her 'official' complement of the eight.



I made wire rings for the anchors, rather than use the supplied flat photo-etched items.

The guns all have breech ropes.

 

Getting them to this stage was easier than I feared.
Next step should be adding retaining eyes and the tackle for running the weapons out.

[Thukydides]

Looking good.

 

If I may, I would recommend rigging the breeching ropes off of the guns. It makes it much easier. See this post for an example of what I mean.

[Pitan]

Thank-you @Thukydides for pointing out that post, there are several useful ideas there.

[Pitan]

I'm having problems with the size of the guns, and any blocks I try to add.

Ruler scale is in mm.

The smallest commercial blocks I can find are 2mm*, seen here with one of Sherbourne's 3 pounder (3 lb) guns.
Does this look right?

Questions
What do other people do if they need a smaller block? (Is there commercial option?)
Is there a better solution?


* 2mm at 1/64 scales to ~5 inches full size.

[Desertanimal]

It looks to me like the rope is too large. Pretty sure i used .2mm rope. Rope adds a lot of bulk fast. 
2 mm blocks are probably about as small as you want to try to work with. 
Chris

[Thukydides]

1 hour ago, Pitan said:

I'm having problems with the size of the guns, and any blocks I try to add.

As @Desertanimal said I think the rope looks a bit big. With 3pdr guns she would use a 3 1/2 in cir breaching and a 1 1/2 in cir tackle with 5in blocks. At this scale that works out to 0.44mm and 0.2mm diameter rope for the breeching and tackles respectively 2mm blocks would be appropriate. Rigging at this scale is a very fiddly process and I recommend using magnification as trying to do it with naked eyes is not easy. If you want to be correct to the scale you will need to use something like 10/0 fly tying thread for the seizing.

 

If you don't want to mess with that, then I would recommend skipping the tackle and just going with the breeching ropes. Many choose to do this anyways and it is better to have no tackles then to have ones that are not at the right scale.

Edited Monday at 01:31 PM by Thukydides

[Pitan]

2 hours ago, Desertanimal said:

It looks to me like the rope is too large. Pretty sure i used .2mm rope. Rope adds a lot of bulk fast. 
2 mm blocks are probably about as small as you want to try to work with. 
Chris

 

1 hour ago, Thukydides said:

As @Desertanimal said I think the rope looks a bit big. With 3pdr guns she would use a 3 1/2 in cir breaching and a 1 1/2 in cir tackle with 5in blocks. At this scale that works out to 0.44mm and 0.2mm diameter rope for the breeching and tackles respectively 2mm blocks would be appropriate. Rigging at this scale is a very fiddly process and I recommend using magnification as trying to do it with naked eyes is not easy. If you want to be correct to the scale you will need to use something like 10/0 fly tying thread for the seizing.

Thanks guys.
I've ordered some finer rope (0.2mm for the haul ropes, and a choice of 0.4mm & 0.5mm for the breach ropes) and some fly threads (8/0, couldn't find 10/0).

[ECK]

I found better 2 mm single and double 2 sheeve block online. They fit better and use 1 mm thread

 

 

 

 

 

 

Found them at https://syrenshipmodelcompany.com/boxwood-rigging-blocks.php  , https://drydockmodelsandparts.com/collections/pearwood-blocks   and https://www.agesofsail.com/