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Hey There Nigel, I might just address those little wee Transom corners spaces with wood now that you mention them, particularly as I'm doing 'Spirketting' (right word then.. ^_^ ) though it should fit in there comfortably, they are odd fiddly looking spaces all the same, they seem to be part of the transom design mind you, but that design isn't allowing for my inspired adaptions.. :huh:  :huh: :huh:  :rolleyes:   :huh:

 

The Margin Planking is only laid down on top of each other, they aren't cut to correct length yet as I do indeed want to scarf joint them! there is plenty of overlap there at the mo.

Oh Yea.. Margin Planking is a delight.. am just amazed everyone isn't doing it !!!!! am going to recommend it to all my friends on MSW here (am a big fan of spreading the misery you see.. :rolleyes: )

BTW I never take your Suggestions as Criticism.. you are safe enough to suggest away ! ;)

 

All The Best Nigel

 

Eamonn

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Yea, that would indeed have been a tough piece to fashion for them, I think I'll follow your advice and 'fill' them in.. the beefed up appearance may well look better too.. more substantial ! save me mucking about with Margin & Spirketting there too, and anything to procrastinate more Margin work ,, :P  though remarkably I'm looking forward to getting stuck into it properly.. weird eh?

 

Thanks for the advice Bud

 

Eamonn

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Eamonn,

 

I would actually suggest that your margin plank is a little wide. I can't find any figures, but I made mine about half as much again as the deck planking, which looks about right.

 

I also fitted one, or rather three short pieces, across the stern between the standards, or support brackets for the transom. The standards on Sherbourne are longer than on your Ballahoo, so I had the problem of shaping the deck planks around them. Yours are much shorter, so I would think a margin plank here would accommodate these, giving you a straight line to begin the deck planking from.

 

I also don't know if you remember this thread:

 

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4058-how-to-do-deck-edging/

 

Hope this helps.

 

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I was wondering about the stern area Kester between those upright frames ! in fact I was trawling through build logs to see what people did for that area..

Worry ye not re the margarine plank width, they are just that wide to give me plenty of overlap to draw the 6mm margin proper which is spot on to your suggestion of being 1.5 times the deck plank thickness (which is 4mm)  and some of this width will be absorbed by the Spirketting (1mm thick) too , so it should be grand.

 

What does everyone else think re Margin Planking up against the stern/transom area?

 

Thanks For Stopping By Kester and to all the Likes.

 

Eamonn

 

BTW Thanks for the link.. nice to know it isn't just me.. ^_^

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Just caught up with your log Eamonn. Links are a wonderful thing. Great work on your build  and Nigel is steering you very well. I will be a watcher from now on and if I can advise I will. A fine ship it is that you are making.

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Thanks Nigel and welcome along Alistair, as you can gather suggestions & tips are very welcome, so please suggest away if you see something that needs doing.

 

So I think that's unanimous voting for Kesters Idea !! Thanks folks for the input.. I'll knock up a piece in the next few days, am off now for some serious margin plank procrastinating, my Tamiya Tape arrived so I might just get on with finishing the first coats on the hull.

 

See Ye All Later and Have a Brilliant Weekend.

 

Eamonn

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Quick Photo Update..

 

Hull is painted to about 99% complete, just touch-up's required now.

 

Next up for Ballier is to put those 'triangular' pieces between the Bulwarks & the Port/Stbd. Transom Frames, then get on with the Margin Doodah ^_^  ^_^  Oh Joy.. :rolleyes:

 

Incidentally the 'White Stuff' isn't near as severe as it looks in the photos, it is a very off white, but the Studio Flash brightens it.. honestly it does :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:

 

Thanks For Checking In

 

Eamonn

 

 

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The stuff is the absolute Cat's Pyjamas .. thanks for the advice on it and the advice on how to get the best from it !!

 

Ta also for the compliment ! :rolleyes:

 

Have a good one.

 

Eamonn

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Thanks Bindy and BE, the paint job is just about there, only a couple of wee touch-up's to finish and it's onto the joys of joggling (though I'm sure something else will appear to distract me from that... especially if I think hard enough) :rolleyes:

 

Many Thanks for checking in and the compliments you guys, and to all the Likes.

 

All The Best

 

Eamonn

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Thanks Bindy and BE, the paint job is just about there, only a couple of wee touch-up's to finish and it's onto the joys of joggling (though I'm sure something else will appear to distract me from that... especially if I think hard enough) :rolleyes:

 

Eamonn,

 

It's not so bad when go get into it. Think of it this way – some people go jogging every day, nautical types go joggling! :)

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 Off topic is good Nigel.. else it just reminds me of what I have to do... Ahhhh ! But sure no doubt it will be a bit easier than I feared, as I mentioned I'm kinda looking forward to battling with it  :rolleyes:

 

All The Best Mate

 

E

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Thanks Nigel, I'll draw the joints onto the deck plan I drew up last week, it has the margin on it anyhoo just not individually sized for length, if you follow !

 

Might have a lash at it tomorrow and see how it goes ;) sure wots the worst could happen !!! :huh:

 

All The Best Bud,

 

Eamonn

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Eamonn, not sure if you've seen this from BE's excellent Pickle log...very helpful pictures that make it all look very easy and make you wonder why you didn't finish it yesterday ( ;)).

 

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/783-pickle-by-blue-ensign-jotika-164-scale-pob-kit/page-1#entry11901

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Jeez How did I miss that log!! Thanks for the heads-up and the link Jason.. roll on tomorrow (good grief I'm starting to get enthusiastic about joggling.. this is just so wrong ) ^_^

Was rocking back and forth in a corner whilst muttering to myself about joggling yesterday, that probably explains why I didn't get it done.. :huh:  :huh::rolleyes:  

Thanks for the visit Jason and thanks to all the other Helpers and Likes.  Thanks Folks!

 

Sail 'er Easy,

 

Eamonn

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Thanks Lawrence, totally agree about the Tamiya.. where would we be without it ! ^_^

Vikki is coming on a treat, I can't believe how quickly you are going !

 

All The Best

 

Eamonn

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(good grief I'm starting to get enthusiastic about joggling.. this is just so wrong ) ^_^

Was rocking back and forth in a corner whilst muttering to myself about joggling yesterday, that probably explains why I didn't get it done.. :huh:  :huh::rolleyes:

 

Steady there, Eamonn - sounds like your slipping over to the dark side... And why not?

 

What time does the joggling kick off then?

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Ok Then Am Happy To Report Margin Planking Is Sized (Width Wise)

 

I used Nigel's suggestion (to invert the point of a compass, and set the compass to the required width, 6mm in my case, and using the over sized, but shaped to the bulwarks, margin plank slide the compass along the bulwark side of each plank, there were 5 per side for me, this draws a matching curve along the planks.  Then cut/file/sand the planks to this drawn line.

 

Next up.. prepare the individual planks for Scarfing and finish sanding them.  There is plenty of overlap on each plank for this process.

Then 'caulk' the scarf joins and set them in place on the deck.  Simples !!!

 

BTW I did the Transom margin planks as per Kesters suggestion & filled in the awkward area between Bulwarks and Transom Frames as mentioned by Nigel.. WooHoo loads of progress eh? and I only needed 2 large measures of Whiskey afterwards!! Just Kidding, I actually enjoyed doing it :rolleyes:

 

Photo Time Now

 

Take It Easy Folks and Thanks For Looking In

 

Eamonn

 

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Looking good!

 

The pieces I fitted to the stern look almost identical to yours, although I am trying out a bow filler as well to give a flat edge for the middle two planks.

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Wouldn't mind seeing that bow filler Jim, as it sounds like a good idea, 'cos the inside edges of our two left/right side of centre line planks will seem to continue into the margin in that area.. this kinda bugged me a little (of course this wouldn't happen if we used a central deck plank ^_^ )

Question.. The hole where the rudder comes up through the hull and above the deck ! do you have any idea if this area is left open ? or is there a kind of 'canvas' collar there to stop water going down? (I will be putting a 'collar' on the lower part where the rudder enters the hull from below, but from the deck side I've no idea)

 

All The Best

 

Eamonn

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Eamonn,

 

I agree, it looks good. As to accomodating the planks at the bow, like Jim I fitted a roughly triangular piece there, the after side giving a straight edge for the first few plank ends, before the, er, joggling begins. :) I think you might be able to still do that, if you wanted, and it would solve the problem. Anyway up to you.

 

Nigel is correct, there would have been a 'rudder coat' as I think it was termed, and for the reasons he gives. As you say, the lower end was the more important, as regards water entering, so I think it was rather fastened below than from above. One of the logs had a detailed method of making such a coat, but I forget whose it was. I have an idea it was BE, perhaps in his Pegasus log, but I'm not sure. I'll have to check. I had actually been thinking I should make one for the Sherbourne – and may yet still do it!

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Thanks Kester, looks like I'm making the triangular piece too :rolleyes:  Might it have been Dubz's Log (Dirk) he had a Show & Tell on those Rudder Coats (the bottom ones anyhoo)

Could you confirm that there was also a Rudder Coat at the Deck Level of the Rudder (got a tad confusted with ' ..so I think it was rather fastened below than from above ' :huh:  Wee bit of head scratching going on over here ^_^  ^_^ teehee

 

All The Best

 

Eamonn

 

Just read a fantastic compliment on your Sherbourne over on another log a few moments ago (Gregors Sherbourne)

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Eamonn,

 

I really don't know about a covering for the top part of the rudder hole, quite possibly there was one there too. I'll have to do a bit of investigation.

 

Careful with the head scratching – I'd stop when your fingers get red. :D

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Thanks for getting back to me Kester, I think we got our wires crossed there a little.. I mistook your confirming with Nigel to mean you were agreeing that there was a Rudder Coat on Deck ! :P  We'll get to the bottom of this 'Deck Rudder Coat' eventually :rolleyes:  and if I have to give up on Joggling to do so then I will.. that's how committed to a solution I am ! :rolleyes:

Actually the main reason I'm asking is because the deck & margin planking in this area looks a tad unfinished, and I was almost hoping there was something to cover this bare looking area.

I was over on Dan Vadas & his Vulture Log where there is a photo of this deck area and it is 'open', but finished very neatly, admittedly he may not have covered it yet but it is very neat and looks finished.. it is even shaped to accommodate the turning rudder ie not just a rectangular hole. see Post #1209 page 81. this is a bigger boat and no doubt wouldn't be as 'wet' as a schooner!

 

 

All The Best

 

Eamonn

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