geoff

Hello Ab,
 
Welcome to MSW.  I see ships run in the family.  Your son's photoshop is magnificent.

Hello Ab,
 
welcome to the gang, enjoy your stay here at MSW. I liked your nice introduction thread and the way you described your interest for modeling methods.....
 
Nils

Thanks for all the welcome words. I am overwhelmed.
Let me show you one of the photoshop paintings my son makes from my paper models. This is the Battle of the Sound (1658), when Dutch ships fought the Swedes over the entrance to the Baltics.

Great to see you here!
Greets 
Tom
 

You have dwelt where very few have had an opportunity to witness and study the masters of their time. They were an inspiration to all, past and present. I suspect "living" within in this realm you may calibrate your work against theirs. It is hard not to do. Also when it is a work project one cannot always take the time you would otherwise invest if it were your own.
 
Within this forum there are modern day masters that we all, at times, compare ourselves to. For myself I have been inspired by and learned from them. 
 
Welcome to MSW.
 
Joe

Hi Kenny,
 
I remember we had a short correspondence referring to these Tobago wrecks. Sorry the read that you did not make any progress. But you never can tell what the future will bring you...
Ab

Good mroning Ab from Trinidad. Its wonderful that you have joined us. I have both your books and enjoy reading them. This group of  special people are fantastic and will appreciate your contribution As we go forward. I am still collecting data on the Tobago 1677 ships but way short of sufficient information that will result in my building a model of one of these ships. 
Welcome 
kevin Kenny

Well, thank you all for your warm words. I never expected this. I hope I won't disappoint you.
 
Druxey: Yes I know the Wasa. If you don't visit her you miss the 8th wonder of the world.
Kurtvd19: Lets not overdo it. It's just a model 🙂
Hans Peters: Glad you liked the book. For the time being I have no plans for new publications, but you never can tell...
How to make a paper model?

Good morning Ab,
 
Your book "Modellen vertellen" (English "Message in a Model") was fun to read.
I hope you will produce more of that.
 
I hope you will share your knowledge, we like to learn.
 
Best regards,
 
Hans Peters

Welcome to MSW Greelt, you are never too old to start a new hobby, all the best! Geoff

Are you asking if there was blanking on the underside of the beams?   If it's just planking the underside of the decking plywood, the plywood would need to be thinned to keep the upper side of the deck in it's proper place.  The catch is, it's pretty hard to see the underside of the deck even on a cross-section.  Below decks, the bulkheads and overheads were usually whitewashed for maximum light distribution.

Gidday Greelt and a warm welcome from Downunder.
Re your question on under deck planking. Are you attempting to show the planking from both sides of the deck?
All the best with your build.
Mark.

David,
 
Thanks for your welcome. Regarding the planking of the decks, i'm aware of the limited head space.
My question was mainly regarding covering the plywood on the underside to make it look more realistic.
 
Thanks
 
Greelt

Hello, and a warm welcome to the forum from 'Down Under'.
 
John

Greetings.
Groetjes vanuit België

Welcome from a 68 year-old. Never too late to start a hobby. Overhead planking below decks reduces already limited head space on a war vessel, especially. It also adds weight to reduce cargo carry capacity.

Hello to all members of this forum.
I'm new to the ship modeling world.
At the age of seventy i thought it would be a good idea to start a new hobby.
A few days ago i purchased the Occre Trinidad cross section which will be delivered
in a few weeks, in the meantime i am surfing the net for information and found this
great forum which gave me a lot of information.
One question keeps popping up in my mind, a lot of people go to an incredible level
of detail but on a cross section of any wooden ship or windmill i came across nobody ever planks the
underside of decks or floors. Is there a specific reason for that ?
Looking forward to learn a lot more at this forum.
 
All the best
 
Greelt

Welcome to MSW Phil. All the best, Geoff

Welcome back Castos,! all the best, Geoff

Welcome to MSW AB. All the best, Geoff

Chris (and others),
 
Thanks!
 
I agree that the Clevelands were handsome ships - little brothers of the Baltimore class, and they are well proportioned.
 
However, the CLGs were like the horse that was designed by a committee and came out looking like a camel. After being hacked apart and rebuilt hurriedly as early guided missile ships, with antennas hanging out everywhere, they certainly were a bit of a mess. To make matters worse, the already top heavy Cleveland hull had the massive missile house, flag superstructure and radar towers that made them even more unstable. In my opinion they may be the ugliest ships ever built! But I served on the Okie Boat for 28 months, and that is one reason I want to model it. Also, it was an historic ship, being one of the first guided missile cruisers in the US Navy, the flagship of the 7th Fleet throughout most of the Vietnam War, and the longest career and most decorated ship of all the Cleveland class.
 
The Oklahoma City CLG/CG-5 underwent continuous modifications during the 19 years it was in service, with bits added and bits removed frequently. Some of the whip antennas were repositioned just about every time we went into Yokosuka. This made it difficult to find a specific configuration to model. Finally, after studying many hundreds of photos I chose the configuration of the summer of 1971. This was just before the FAST gear was removed, and about mid way through my time aboard.
 
Someday I hope to create a CAD model of the 1945 configuration. That will be tricky because apparently all of the blueprints for the modified (square bridge) Clevelands have been lost - at least there is no microfilm for the superstructure, and there were major changes from the early round bridge Clevelands. To make it more difficult, no two shipyards built the Clevelands the same way. Each yard redrew the plans and added their own modifications. If you know what to look for you can often identify the yard where a ship was built by looking at the photos.
 
When I find time I intend to start a thread describing the research I have done of the Clevelands in general, and the CLGs and Oklahoma City.
 
Phil

I had a look, too, and your CAD model is indeed amazing -- I shudder to think of the effort that will be needed to replicate all of that in a 1/96 scale model, but I certainly applaud the attempt! The Cleveland-class were good looking ships, both in their all-gun and CG configurations, and of course they contributed greatly to US naval efforts. I wish you every success on your continuing project!

This is very helpful Thanks . 

Welcome aboard. Not to worry lots of helpful folks around here.

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