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Wonderful work, Hellmuht. The sewing gives it a completely different look from most models.

Robert,  this is one way in which the English Man O’ War differs from the Spanish Galleon.  The two kits apparently share the same mold for the main deck, so that hole exists in both.  However, the Spanish Galleon only has three masts (instead of four as in the English Man O’ War).  The Spanish Galleon’s mizzen mast is actually placed further aft than what you see with the Man O’ War, since there is no bonaventure mast in the Galleon.   In the Spanish Galleon, the mizzen is placed on the quarterdeck, and it does not go down completely to the deck below.  I hope this helps explain it.
 
Jeff

Okay, a little progress. Mounted the posts for the backstays and shrouds, along with the sterncastle ladders.
 

Let’s keep going with the advances.....
 
I’ve been working in the deck.  The central zone will be full removable and I have done just half of it.   It will allow all the hull sewed been sewing.......
 

 
 
It is sewed also.... at the same time I’ve working in the bow and stern deck but these are just “presented” since I need to work in the external hull, finish the hull sewing...
 

 

And then they will be fixed/sewed.

Take look how it is looking so far.....
 

Another three oarsmen complete and two more started.
 
When I began I put the first few oarsmen in place somewhere amidships and worked both forward and aft from there, so I was able to add four new oarsmen each time - two (one each side) towards the bow of those already in place, and two aft. But now I've filled all the forward benches right up to the bow, so the only empty benches are towards the stern. So I can only add two oars and oarsmen each time. But on the bright side, there are now only 6 left to do (sigh) including the two aftermost guys who don't have their arms yet.
 

 
In between times I've got back onto adding the ropes which hold the oars to the tholes - it's a tholeless task.
 
Here are the larboard ones with a dab of glue holding each rope to its thole.
 
 
 
I got a bright idea of how to pull the rope into its correct position across the oar, without having to sit like a twit holding each rope in turn while the glue dried. Whack a peg on the end, pull the rope taut and hang the peg from something convenient, so its weight keeps the rope taut and in position, and add another dab of glue to hold the rope to the oar at that point.
 

 
And then once that's done, loop the rope right around the oar and repeat the process.
 

 
Once all that's done I'll trim the hanging ends of the rope so it just looks like a loop around the thole and oar.
 
I can only do a few at a time because the pegs get in each other's way. But once one set is done and glued in place, I can move on and do another set.  
 
Six more to go. I'm looking forward to it all being finished!

Hi Pchem, and welcome to MSW. I'm looking forward to seeing your Lynx build log.

Thank you Steven for your comments.
Christos

Steven I havent choose it myself. Its what is concluded according to Homer's discriptions". I think that if the cheeks were lower they would not be seen even from a small distance. The reason painting them red (or even blue) was to produce impression to observers. "Παρειές" is  refering more to the upper part of the face, the lower part would be called (I  believe)  as "γνάθος". Of course at the lower part I am planing to position (looking most of the vases) the "οφθαλμός".
 
I would like to know what you think of all these that I botherd you with. I value your expirience on such issues... and not only ofcourse.

Thanks, Bigpetr. I don't need it at the moment (too busy manufacturing arms!), but I'll keep your kind offer in mind for later.

That's a thought, Mark, but I really don't think this chest was intended as a seat for rowing, given its contents. Also the sloped face is the front - i.e. the one you face when you open the chest. If anything, that would mean the guy behind the oarsman would be the one who'd be able to open it . . .
 
My belief is that this is such a highly decorated chest it probably did belong to Queen Asa, as KrisWood suggests. And as it was a burial, there would have been no reason for the oarsmen to leave them on board. It's thought one of the bodies was a maidservant sacrificed to accompany the Queen on her journey to the afterlife. But it would have been wasteful (and probably unpopular) to sacrifice the crew (and their chests) as well . . . 

Christos, I agree with your interpretation for both the reasons you mention - firstly, that the red would be more visible if it was high up; second, that, as you say, Homer's word  μίλτοπάρηοι relates to the upper part of the face.
 
Of course that is always a problem with translating - a word in one language doesn't necessarily have exactly the same meaning as the "equivalent" word in the other, and though "Παρειές" translates into English as "cheek", it doesn't really mean exactly the same thing.

Thanks, Bigpetr. I don't need it at the moment (too busy manufacturing arms!), but I'll keep your kind offer in mind for later.

Ok , here we are, as will be noted from my introduction post this is a very old model that has been resurrected so the model was started long before digital cameras, home computers and the internet came to being. Therefor this log will only comprise of the rigging, nets and finish. This is the first wooden ship model I have attempted so there will be mistakes. The hull and deckhouse were already built, although not joined, and since restarting it the lower hull has been painted, the masts built up most deck fittings positioned and presently I am doing the standing rigging ( how do you guys/gals keep your temper and not “launch” the damned thing out the window ?) Yes I am finding this challenging but being a stubborn SOB I will not give in ! I am finding doing the whipping round the rope ends of the standing lines tricky and will need to have a look for some tips as I’m not convinced there isn’t a neater easier way. Here are a couple of pics so far.
 
Cheers Paul

Coming along nicely!

That does seem strange, but I doubt the inequality would be intended to make rowing easier - in fact I doubt that the chest was intended specifically to go on board a ship. The chests on board the Oseberg ship all contained women's possessions, except for one that contained wild apples - http://www.vikingage.org/wiki/wiki/Chests,_Caskets_%26_Boxes

Coming along nicely!

I am very impressed by your ability to think "outside the box" regarding materials and techniques. I've used toothpicks occasionally, but you've incorporated so many everyday things into your build, giving them a whole new life, instead of relying on the stuff that everybody else uses.
 
I applaud your initiative and ingenuity, and I'm looking forward to seeing your further progress..

Looks very good, Silverman. Youre making great progress.
 
I also like your carpenter. Though this period isn't my specialty, he does seem to be wearing gear from about the right time, with the pigeon-chest doublet and little skirt and all.

Thanks, Bigpetr. I don't need it at the moment (too busy manufacturing arms!), but I'll keep your kind offer in mind for later.

Nope . . . but I may be able to do something on Paint.

The pictures certainly suggest that's how they were made, but until we find a real one, we can only use "best guess".

Thanks, mate. So much better than I started out with. Quite a lot of worthwhile detail. You can never have too many pictures of carracks. 

Craig, that's fantastic! Really pushing the limits of the technology. Do you mind if I upload this to my Pinterest carrack page?

Aha! Did an image search for Sibenik 1486, and voila!
 

 
Not perfect, but certainly better.

Well, it's a bit of both. But books are the best way of gaining the theoretical information (depending on the book - some are pretty useless - but there's a whole section of the MSW forum that deals with masting, rigging and sails, and I just used the search function for "books on rigging" and found this which would be appropriate to ships of Thermopylae's period 
 
and there's probably others among the search results if you care to look further.
 
Then building the models gives you the practical experience and you get to see the inter-relationships of all the ropes, and how it's all a balance of forces - some pull this way, others balance them by pulling the opposite way - for example, the stays keep keep the masts from falling backwards, the backstays keep them from falling forwards and the shrouds stop them falling sideways (and forwards).
 
If you're doing a clipper, the above book is probably ideal. Other books are more appropriate to other periods. If you have further questions, it's probably best to ask them in the "masting rigging and sails"section (but first do a search - your question may already have been answered); then you don't have to worry about hijacking someone else's thread (which is not recommended - but heck, you have to find out somehow).