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According to Lyon it says” the earlier ship of the class had what appeared to be a ‘two level’ stern like larger twin deckers, with windows on two separate levels. the Janus was one of these. In the case of the Ulysses this is uncertain.those ships marked with *** are those for which the stem is uncertain. “
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Thank you Allan for taking the time to do the search. As i get closer to the build i plan to purchase all of the plans for the class. I am going to build the Ulysses not the Janus and as luck would have it there are no references to her in the NMM plan collection. I did not know about the build log and agree that will be very useful. I also want to find the accident report to complete my research. When she was wrecked there was no loss of life and much of the rigging was removed and salvaged so there should be a report somewhere which details the wreck and salvage. The local newspaper should have something in our archives here in Trinidad but i have not gone there yet to see if copies of the newspaper exist for the date following the accident. Also i am interesting in find any original data in the NMM archives on the invasion of Trinidad in 1797 by the British as the Ulysses played a key role being the first ship to land troops on land, led by my ancestor Chevalier deVerteuil, a french mercenary. Years ago i was able to purchase a copy of the Sailing Navy list by David Lyon which help greatly with research on British ships. in terms of Hahns plans i am told that his plans are excellent and extremely accurate. Its just for me to decide on the scale and any changes re the stern. It seems that there was some variation as to how the stern was treated. I am hoping that when i get all the maritime museum plans that I may find reference to the Ulysses. Perhaps even in the build notes you reference. This is what happen with the build of the Thorn when i was able to find reference to her in the NMM frame layout plan that David and Greg did not pick up. Sometimes research can be as much fun as building the model. Cheers Kevin
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Long ahead of you. I purchased Harold Haha’s book which details his build of the Robuck and later purchased his plan from his family. So this model is the next in line. One of the ships the HMS Ulysses brought my ancestor to Trinidad in 1797. So imagine my surprise when i discovered her sister ship sunk in Trinidad in 15 ft of water. When i do find a permanent home for the artifacts i plan to donate the model. I will also arrange an extensive detailing of the wreck site. Unfortunately the site has been ravaged by divers over the years so it is of little archaeological value today. All the cannons are there but the anchors are long gone. The sea bottom is littered with brass dowels. I have been contacting many of the divers who have picked the wreck over the years and thats how i have been recovering the artifacts. Unfortunately my wife is not as pleased as i am, as large pieces of brass are appearing at home and do not match our decor. I haven't decided on the scale of the model, Hahn’s plans are 1/8’ but i have enjoyed building in 1/4” with the Swan. If i were to keep the model at home or pass it to my kids it should be 1/8 but if it goes on public display 1/4 would be much better. I still have time as i feel the HMS Thorn will take most of this year to complete.
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Other artifacts recovered from the wreck site which were donated by divers that had collected over the years.
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She was launched in 1776, so that block/deadeye would be 240 years old. Not sure the rope would be that old.
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Either i am getting older or ?????? But this second to last piece of strake 20 took 4 hours to get it to fit. . This was carved in place not bent so thats why but boy, patience, patience, patience .
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HMS Janus. She sank in1800 in Trinidad. these were recovered in the 1970's from the wreck. we actually have a piece of rope embedded in coral. I was able to get them from the diver that picked them up. Kevin
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I think there are just fine. I assume you are i=using solder paste?
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Masts and the use of power tools
Kevin Kenny replied to DaveBaxt's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Heres how i approach building a tapered mast. kevin -
You are on a role. Work looks fantastic
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I found the talk fascinating and feel vindicated that all the internals of my Thorn can one day be discovered using an endoscopic camera. It was also great touching base with people from around the world.
i used to be a friend of the National Maritime Museum when i was still working and traveling but it made no sense after i retired. I also was never able to get a guided tour when i was a member and found touring the exhibits by myself quite disappointing. As i have stated in other forum’s unless we find ways to make the visits more interesting, the public will lose interest in museums.-
I thought that Paul Fontenoy's explanation about ship models in museums needing to tell a story was very interesting. I was commissioned to build a model for the Wisconsin Maritime Museum in Manitowoc, WI. Manitowoc has a long history of ship building dating back to the 1800's. Including Gato class submarines during WWII - they have the USS Cobia floating right outside the museum. Burger boats is still building boats in Manitowoc and they support the museum. My model and two others were the first three models in The Burger Collection. They will be telling the story of a wooden boat builder that has survived till today by meeting the needs of the changing world of boats who now builds world class yachts and working boats. They have an extensive model collection - many are used to tell a story. They commissioned me to build a 1/72 scale Gato class sub that they originally used in the area where the visitors gather to take the sub tours. When it was raining they would point out points of interest on the exterior of the sub using the model rather than skip this part of the tour. They now have it near the replica of the sub diving/surfacing and steering controls where kids can control the sub - with video enhancement. The sub is shown as being attacked by hologram depth charges with sound and vibration. They have toned down the vibration as it was causing damage to the model but it a very effective story teller.
They also have a very nice model room that they have no intention of changing over to touchy freely stuff for the kids. When they expanded the museum several years ago they put in a special area for that kind of stuff.
The museum also has a model display and contest each year that I have been the contest director of for 20 years now. We had to cancel the 2020 event entirely but we did the 2021 event with a virtual contest. We will be back to face to face this year.
Take care
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Just for the record, i too stopped the build of the Thorn when the skill required was beyond me, but started back only to find that the improve skill comes with making mistakes and remaking the pieces. Today there is no project i would not try knowing that it may require me to make a piece three or four times before i get it right. After all its only wood. What helped me greatly was that i was able to find an excellent source of wood here locally so wastage or cost was no longer a problem. Today i have a wonderful collection of modeling woods in the shop. best regards. kevin
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Just passed my 7th day with Covid. Bad cough. Fever for three days, chest pain when I cough, might have pulled a mussel, so keeping out of the workshop. I must have picked it up on the way down from New York. Good news is I’ll live.
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Congratulations on completing this major milestone. My advice to you is to strengthen the inside of the model by using PVA and sticking a batten from the bow to the stern at the very inside top of the frames. If you can get a second one in further down also do so. This will tighten up all the frames . Now you can sand and shape the outside of the hull getting rid of any high or low spots.
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The brass clamps come from Lee valley. I have since checked and there are many suppliers as these are traditional Japanese wood working clamps so you might get them cheaper elsewhere. .
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