thomaslambo

You guys are having more faith in me than I am about now! I might have to build a burial plot to hold all the twisted and jacked up parts that don't make it into a picture. You may be right Buck, I may be avoiding the inevitable Optivisor.

 

Matt,

I feel you, I've got a box of way to many reject prototype parts myself, and this is my first build...I think of it as my battle with the dark side   

Great finish on the battle station, love the aged/worn look....and sweet looking weapons for the Ranger (thanks for the penny in the pic) 

Matt,

Beautiful work as usual....I use my desk lamp magnifier as well, just can't get comfortable with the head set.  I also bought a higher strength pair of reading glasses that really help for close up work.

Keep up the excellent work my friend 

Hi Bob,

I like to follow as many of the AL builds as I can because I'm in the middle of one myself.  Looks like you're off to a strong start.

Having followed several AL builds I've noticed they all tend to have some shaky spots in the build instructions....mine is no exception  

However, I find my kit to be very true to the original ship design....and the overall quality of the laser cuts, wood and other parts to be quite good.

I'l be following your build with much interest, and good luck    

Morning Boyd,

 

I thought I'd jump into the breadfruit discussion...as you've seen on my log, I left the pots empty.  I wish I hadn't but I was really in the midst of much larger problems to solve at that point.  And my rationalization for my laziness I still think is somewhat solid:  my Bounty model shows the ship on its outbound journey, prior to landing in Tahiti and obtaining the fruit plants.  Can anyone argue with that?

Outstanding recovery and well said...LOL    

Hi Mike,

Just beautiful work as usual....and the stand is looking great.

I've yet to do any Rigging so it's a nice tip for me to  see how you assembled the masts on a separate board.

Also, I missed the fact that you're donating the ship and display case to the Library....definitely a kind and generous thing to do on your part 

Wow Boyd, everything looks absolutely awesome! I see the force is strong with you! I really like that you're covering all the ply edges, it makes the structure appear very solid. I do like the idea of using netting and am looking forward to seeing your secret garden greenhouse.

Thanks much

Really nice work, Boyd ...

I can't wait to see how your bread-fruit nursery turns out ..

Have you considered thin cardboard or thick paper for your leaves ??

 

For matured fruit on my Bounty Launch build, I went with small pieces of Sculpey baking clay.

(External skin dimpling was made by rolling the unbaked clay around on a bed of toothpick tips)

CaptainSteve,

Thanks much for the encouragement my friend 

I'm going to start doing prototypes on different plant ideas and see what I come up with (some bird just whispered in my ear to try Sushi plastic garnishment greenery - nice) 

Also, using my new scale ruler (compliments of Matt's build log) I discovered the pots included in the kit are larger than the pots used on the Bounty.

According to the Anatomy the real pots were 6 and 8 inch dia. along with some tubs and boxes (approx total pots was about 774). The pots in the kit are 12 inch scale.  I'll probably stay with them because it'll be easier to make the plants and see the display with larger pots. Only detail freaks like us will ever know the difference 

However, I may put twice as many pots as the kit provides....and I've also got some other ideas that will raise the bar in the Green House    

This is what I use and you can find it in businesses of scale trains,it is very good material and they come in different colors,the brand is Woodland Scenics

Thanks much, I've used their products on my Railroads in the past...definitely a great place to start looking.

I'll be heading to one of my favorite hobby shops in the next week or so to look over their inventory 

 

Nils,

 

I was planning on it, but the green house will be slightly reduced in size as a result of other modifications.  I've been looking for material to build the adolescent trees with.  

 

Why do you ask?

 

Also, any suggestions on materials for the trees?

 

 

Boyd,

 

I saw fitting out of Bounty models (with partial open hull) also showing those breadfruit trees, which took quite some place on board and narrowing the  remaining spaxce for the crew. I found it amazing that this detail was taken care of. Sorry but I ca`nt tell what material the trees were made of, or if the trees have been foreseen with the kit....

 

Nils

 

Yes, they really did a number on the Bethia to convert it for the Bounty's purpose....taking out considerable rooms for the crew to accommodate the tree plants.  

Check out these pictures....one of the things I'm wrestling with is the scale of the racks and pots (in the kit) let alone the size and look of the trees. 

Two pictures are worth a 1000 words 

Converted Green House

3 month old bread fruit tree which is supposed to be what they transported....pic came from Captain Al's build log  

Captain Al,

Thanks so much for stopping in and the kind words....I really appreciate your support     

And thanks for the heads up on the main deck alignment.  I've already spent some time with the main deck (made a full size template with the planking pattern I'll follow) so I'll carefully check the hole sizing as you recommend.

And stay tuned for the modifications on the middle deck which will be considerable...and I'll actually build some furniture myself LOL    

Thanks Boyd,

 

BTW, are you planing to install all those Tables and racks for the breadfruit plants ?

 

Nils

Nils,

I was planning on it, but the green house will be slightly reduced in size as a result of other modifications.  I've been looking for material to build the adolescent trees with.  

Why do you ask?

Also, any suggestions on materials for the trees?

nice work Boyd,

 

I like those ballustrades and the furniture....

 

Nils

Nils,

Thanks so much....I got plenty of inspiration from your build 

Once I install the middle deck balustrades I'll glue in the railings for the finishing touch....and also plan on building several pieces of furniture for the middle deck Captains Dining Cabin and Galley    

Part two - Middle deck planking and installation (basically step 12 in the instructions).

Deck Alignment - First off, prior to installing the middle decks I needed to spend some time aligning the masts, bilge pipes and support beams (also using the main deck).  This required some careful sanding and fitting.

Modify Ladder Opening - I had to move the stern ladder opening two planks toward the starboard side to accommodate the lower stern cabin additions (required minor mods to both middle deck pieces).

Planking Decks - I used the same technique described in my lower deck planking (exception being I refined the nail pattern – using a pencil instead of a marker pen (a bit too dark IMO) and only simulated nails at the butt joints).

Install middle decks – this was fairly straight forward after dry fitting and doing a bit of sanding and trimming at the frame joints.  I did rough sand the decks and cross beams where they join together for better glue adhesion.   Then I just clamped and weighted down the decks while the PVA glue dried.

Install Bow and Stern Ladders – simple and straight forward as they had already been fitted.

Install the Bow Balustrades – again, straight forward as they had already been fitted.

Note; I delayed installing the lower and middle deck mast rings until I actually install/glue the masts in place.  

Here are pictures of the finished details….

Aligning the decks with masts, bilge pipes, etc prior to gluing up the middle decks

Top view of middle deck planking

Full front view, note the veneer edging on the false decks on both lower and middle decks to cover the ply edge 

Bow additions with ladder/stairs, note I left off the veneer edge on the right most frame (middle deck) to show the difference between ply and finished edging 

Lower deck Balustrades installed, note the Boatswain's Storage Room wall additions on the right

Railings will be added once the middle deck balustrades are installed.

Stern additions with furniture.  Ladder/stairs will also have balustrades and railings installed 

I’m going to report my latest progress with two posts (First; narratives on the detail work I did with a few supporting pictures, and second; another very short narrative with several pictures of the end results).

Part one - Lower deck detailing 

I finished up most of the details on the lower decks (basically steps 1 – 11 in the instruction manual....and the additions/modifications I planned to do.

Cabin Door Grid Windows - I decided to add grid type windows to the cabin doors for a touch more detail. I cut the windows from 1mm  thick maple sheet.  Very delicate process, I broke 3 windows while building 5. 

Finish Boatswain’s Store Room - I completed what I call the Boatswain’s Store Room (added two walls to close off the room in the Bow area).

Build Ladders - I needed to build the short ladders used on the lower decks to be able to design and build my balustrade and railing system (the ladder assembly would normally be addressed in step 19 of the instruction manual).  While I was at it I went ahead and installed the lower Bow hold ladder.

Balustrade and Railing - I completed the design and construction, as well as a dry fit on the middle and lower decks.  I spent some time to decide what type of design I liked.  Basically I came up with four options; 1) brass hooks and thread – AL kit, 2) wood rails with netting, 3) brass stanchions with brass wire rails, and 4) wood rails with wood balustrades).  I ended up using option 4 and spent considerable time to design and build the system. 

As a byproduct of the above design activity, I came up with another idea to add further detail to the model.  Option 2 (wood rails with netting) will be used for a storage system inside the hold areas.…kind of like a racking system using nets, rails and ropes to hold assorted barrels, boxes, sacks, supplies, etc.   

Veneer Edging - I also added veneer edges to the lower and middle false decks to cover the ply edges (cut from the .5mm x 5mm basswood strips included in the kit).  In addition, I lined the inside edges of the three port side middle frames with .5mm x 6mm walnut strips (not included in the kit).  I’ll use this same material to cover all the frames exposed on the starboard viewing side as well. My intent is to rid the model of most of the exposed ply edges to give it a more finished look. 

Floor Molding - I also added additional floor molding under the door frames and a couple other areas.

Furniture Addition - And the last touch of detail was to add a table and chairs to the Stern middle cabin/pub.  The plastic furniture was purchased on line and then painted with a mix of colors to simulate wood.

Here are some pictures of the detail work (pictures of the finished work will be include d in the next post)....

Cutting out the the windows from 1mm maple sheet

Close to complete....little more sanding and then the stain

Installed grid windows

Needed a touch of filing on the keel to fit the ladder

Installed ladder

View from the top....also note upper right hand corner of the pic is one of the Boatswain's Room wall additions

Material options for ladder railings

Drilling the holes for the balusters

Finished balustrade and railings parts for Bow ladder/stair (lower and middle deck)

Hi Dimitris,

Great job on the staircases....I love the flared touch toward the bottom and the handrails      

http://www.rslaserkits.com/ScaleRulers.pdf

 

Here's one that printed out perfect.

Nice, it does print out perfectly.  I'll use card stock and then laminate it for durability. 

Hi Don,

I missed your first post, so welcome aboard the HMS Bounty AL club 

It's a nice model and IMO the quality is quite good for the price.  Some of the instructions are a bit mixed up due to language translation....but combined with the picture book and plan sheets it's doable.

Captain Al's thread has some great suggestions as you probably know and you'll find a third build that unfortunately the builder (Capt.Fisher) dropped off shortly after the hull planking (but some good info none the less).  

Here is the link to the third build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6241-hms-bounty-by-captfisher-148-artesania-latina/?hl=%20hms%20%20bounty

Also, KeithW has some very nice finished pictures of his build in the Gallery.

Good luck with the build 

Ken, I think you're probably right about scratch building (or lack of) in model Railroads.  Don't get me started on the RR hobby....a magnificent money pit to be sure 

Mark, thanks for the link to the conversion chart 

Matt, I'm wrestling with scale on my Bounty build as we speak....I'm down a couple of detail rabbit holes thanks to you and CaptainSteve   

Matt,

Wow, I didn't pay attention to the size of the Ranger...a challenge to be sure at 18 inches.  

FYI - I actually started the Mamoli Lexington (also 18 inches) and put it down after planking the hull because I wanted something larger for my first completed build.  At some point I'll probably go back and finish her as you're doing with the Ranger.

Thanks very much for the picture, it definitely puts things into perspective...I've seen some very very small chains at the jewelers

Boyd

Yes, I find the Dremel to be one of the most versatile tools ever made....so even more accolades are deserved for being resourceful  

Thanks,

Boyd 

Matt,

Really fine work on the Mortars

What lathe are you using?

Also, would you mind taking a picture of one of the mortars next to a coin so I can gauge the exact size.

Thanks much,

Boyd

CaptainSteve,

Nice forge job and install...and I really like the wood planking look on the pictures George posted  

Boyd  

I still am trying to decide if the guns will remain shiny brass or get blackened.

Matt,

I'm going through the same thought process....so far I've blackened every brass part on the ship but I'm heavily considering leaving the cannons brass just for the nice contrast (really not going for historical accuracy on my build - I think the viewing audience would like the brass look).

And nice progress on the mortars...looking forward to the end result on both weapons

Boyd 

Thanks guys.  Will search for these loopers.

 

BTW, is there something amiss with the notification system -- regarding builds or threads we want to "follow?"  I've had no notices via email for weeks but when I look at My Content I find replies to lots of things I'm supposed to be following?  Also, the private email system seems not to be functioning either.  Any knowledge of those issues?

Al,

I think so, I've had some issues as well.

Al,

I've been using CA for years on model airplanes and RR models.

Loopers work well.  Here is a link: http://www.creativedynamicllc.com/new-v2-looper.html

I've also been using tooth picks and needles very effectively with CA.  You just need to experiment with applying it until you get comfortable with how much ends up on what you're gluing.  Get some small pieces of scrap wood and play around for an hour or so and you'll have it wired 

I use CA on almost all my very small parts with excellent results.  The goal (very difficult in deed) is the viewing eye should not see glue on the model...which is very hard to cover up or remove after the fact.

I've tried many brands of CA, some dry instantly and others give you some limited time to set the parts (not all CA's are created equal  ).  I make sure all my pieces are clean and ready to be glued and then I rehearse putting them together quickly.  In many cases I use stabilizers to get them squared and straight quickly.  I also lay most of the parts on wax paper so they don't stick to my work surface (tape the wax paper down).

Here is a link to my favorite CA (I also use their thin product on occasion):  http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXPT39&P=ML

I get about 10-15 seconds to adjust parts with their Medium product. 

If you read Chuck's latest build log he comments that he uses CA exclusively on his planking jobs....which I would say is one of the finest planking jobs I've seen in my very short career of wooden ship modeling 

Good luck