jbshan
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jbshan got a reaction from Canute in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
in re plans for Detroit, I don't think so. She was not really completed when Barclay took the squadron out to meet the Americans, he lost, and his base was shortly thereafter taken by the American forces. Like with the US brigs, I suspect if there were any plans and they got sent to Washington, the Navy Yard was burned the next summer. Queen Charlotte was built a few years earlier and there is some information on her, but I think no specific as built plans.
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jbshan got a reaction from Canute in Philadelphia by Elijah - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale - Continental Gunboat
Don't forget to transfer the planking lines to the outer surface of the frames. They'll be a lot easier to see. 8-)
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jbshan got a reaction from Chuck Seiler in Philadelphia by Elijah - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale - Continental Gunboat
Don't forget to transfer the planking lines to the outer surface of the frames. They'll be a lot easier to see. 8-)
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jbshan got a reaction from Senior ole salt in 18th century sailing commands
Sorry if this is not helpful, but I've always preferred 'splice the main brace.'
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jbshan got a reaction from BETAQDAVE in Alternative Line Material
Other than size, I would think you'd want to find a way to dull the white line a bit.
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jbshan got a reaction from Eddie in Balsa as bow/stern filler
I'm actually with Peter on this, for my own work. Please note the wiggle words I used.
If balsa is all you've got, it might work for you, within limitations.
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jbshan got a reaction from Elijah in Philadelphia by Elijah - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale - Continental Gunboat
Don't forget to transfer the planking lines to the outer surface of the frames. They'll be a lot easier to see. 8-)
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jbshan got a reaction from EJ_L in Philadelphia by Elijah - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale - Continental Gunboat
Don't forget to transfer the planking lines to the outer surface of the frames. They'll be a lot easier to see. 8-)
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jbshan got a reaction from mtaylor in Philadelphia by Elijah - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale - Continental Gunboat
Don't forget to transfer the planking lines to the outer surface of the frames. They'll be a lot easier to see. 8-)
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jbshan got a reaction from Talos in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
in re plans for Detroit, I don't think so. She was not really completed when Barclay took the squadron out to meet the Americans, he lost, and his base was shortly thereafter taken by the American forces. Like with the US brigs, I suspect if there were any plans and they got sent to Washington, the Navy Yard was burned the next summer. Queen Charlotte was built a few years earlier and there is some information on her, but I think no specific as built plans.
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jbshan got a reaction from mtaylor in Balsa as bow/stern filler
I'm actually with Peter on this, for my own work. Please note the wiggle words I used.
If balsa is all you've got, it might work for you, within limitations.
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jbshan reacted to mikiek in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
That makes sense Joel. Between the catheads, hatches and bowsprit it would have been difficulty to get a gun into that forwardmost port. Perhaps the new Niagara didn't have an 11th port because it doesn't need it. I imagine the anchors are wenched in with something motorized. Again, who knows?
This does make me wonder about something. We have next to no documentation on the original builds of Niagara/Lawrence. The Brits were always pretty anal about record keeping. Is there any better documentation on the building of Detroit?
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jbshan reacted to Pete Jaquith in Balsa as bow/stern filler
I would suggest basswood or pine for filler blocks. Easy to shape but providing more support than balsa wood. See attached picture of my "Fair American" build.
Regards,
Pete
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jbshan got a reaction from Canute in Balsa as bow/stern filler
If you use it as a shape to help the plank go around the curve only, and not as something to fix the plank to, it might be OK. It wouldn't, I think, hold a pin or other physical fastener, those planks on an apple-bowed hull have a lot of strain on them, but I could be wrong.
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jbshan got a reaction from Eddie in Balsa as bow/stern filler
If you use it as a shape to help the plank go around the curve only, and not as something to fix the plank to, it might be OK. It wouldn't, I think, hold a pin or other physical fastener, those planks on an apple-bowed hull have a lot of strain on them, but I could be wrong.
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jbshan got a reaction from mtaylor in Balsa as bow/stern filler
If you use it as a shape to help the plank go around the curve only, and not as something to fix the plank to, it might be OK. It wouldn't, I think, hold a pin or other physical fastener, those planks on an apple-bowed hull have a lot of strain on them, but I could be wrong.
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jbshan got a reaction from mikiek in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
Now that's an interesting point, frolick. I had not heard that before. I have read that davits were a fairly new thing, and the quarter davits came before the stern davits. I suspect the qtr. davits on the replica vessel are as they are so a boat can be quickly launched in case of emergency (Coast Guard etc.). The literature (and HMS Victory) show wooden qtr. davits (they are straight timbers with sheaves at the outer end for the boat falls) that are pivoted at the butt end and can 'retract' toward the shrouds, supported by tackle that goes to the upper portion of the mast. Slacking off on this tackle allows the davits to reach further out, past the tumblehome, and the falls can then lower the boat to the water. I did my version of Lawrence with only stern davits, so you have given me justification for what was only an instinctual decision.
The forward most port of eleven, Mike, would be mostly a bridle port, for handling the anchors. There is a lot of length between the forward gun port and the stem, and, while it was apparently not uncommon or unknown for the anchors to be handled over the rail on these smallish vessels, there is nothing to preclude adding a bridle port to make the job easier.
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jbshan got a reaction from CharlieZardoz in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
Now that's an interesting point, frolick. I had not heard that before. I have read that davits were a fairly new thing, and the quarter davits came before the stern davits. I suspect the qtr. davits on the replica vessel are as they are so a boat can be quickly launched in case of emergency (Coast Guard etc.). The literature (and HMS Victory) show wooden qtr. davits (they are straight timbers with sheaves at the outer end for the boat falls) that are pivoted at the butt end and can 'retract' toward the shrouds, supported by tackle that goes to the upper portion of the mast. Slacking off on this tackle allows the davits to reach further out, past the tumblehome, and the falls can then lower the boat to the water. I did my version of Lawrence with only stern davits, so you have given me justification for what was only an instinctual decision.
The forward most port of eleven, Mike, would be mostly a bridle port, for handling the anchors. There is a lot of length between the forward gun port and the stem, and, while it was apparently not uncommon or unknown for the anchors to be handled over the rail on these smallish vessels, there is nothing to preclude adding a bridle port to make the job easier.
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jbshan got a reaction from mtaylor in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
Melbourne Smith made reference to others of the Brown brothers' works of which we have more information in his new design for Niagara. He also made the hull long enough to accommodate the correct number of guns and carronades on deck, which the 1913 and 1933 versions did not, as Chapelle noted at the time. The story of Smith's reconstruction is in Seaways' Ships in Scale, end of '91, start of '92, for those who have the magazines or CD.
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jbshan got a reaction from trippwj in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
The painting was done shortly after the battle by one of the British officers. It shows Niagara from the stern and Lawrence from broadside. I got a glimpse of it in color and there seems to be no stripe of any distinction on Lawrence's side. She does show a typical head with headrails, billet with scroll, etc. which seems contraindicated by the textual information.
Chuck, everything I have seen tends to the belief that Niagara was raised in 1876 and sent to the Philadelphia Centennial Exposition where she burned along with her protective enclosure. The vessel presumed to be Queen Charlotte was destroyed in a flood at Buffalo after a career as a merchant vessel. The Queen Charlotte herself was raised in 1913, identified as Niagara and restored and put on display. The current restoration has no particular identity with that 1913 vessel and may be as close as we are going to get to the 1813 brig.
That's all off the top of my head and subject to change after consultation with my notes, but that's my take on it.
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jbshan got a reaction from mtaylor in Anchor Hoy c. 1825 by Maury S - FINISHED - 1:48 - Harbor craft - POF
I haven't been watching lately, but catching up now I could 'like' every post, Maury. For future reference, if you want to highlight that scarf joint, just knock off the corners on top of the rail with two licks of fine sandpaper.
David Anscherl's Swan class series has an intriguing method of doing a rudder, if you have that series. It's one of those 'now how'd he do that' sort of things.
And... I obviously hadn't gotten up to date when I wrote that. I was still a page out, but the Swan class series does have lots of excellent material, even if you aren't building that particular vessel.
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jbshan got a reaction from mtaylor in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
Now that's an interesting point, frolick. I had not heard that before. I have read that davits were a fairly new thing, and the quarter davits came before the stern davits. I suspect the qtr. davits on the replica vessel are as they are so a boat can be quickly launched in case of emergency (Coast Guard etc.). The literature (and HMS Victory) show wooden qtr. davits (they are straight timbers with sheaves at the outer end for the boat falls) that are pivoted at the butt end and can 'retract' toward the shrouds, supported by tackle that goes to the upper portion of the mast. Slacking off on this tackle allows the davits to reach further out, past the tumblehome, and the falls can then lower the boat to the water. I did my version of Lawrence with only stern davits, so you have given me justification for what was only an instinctual decision.
The forward most port of eleven, Mike, would be mostly a bridle port, for handling the anchors. There is a lot of length between the forward gun port and the stem, and, while it was apparently not uncommon or unknown for the anchors to be handled over the rail on these smallish vessels, there is nothing to preclude adding a bridle port to make the job easier.
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jbshan got a reaction from Nirvana in Anchor Hoy c. 1825 by Maury S - FINISHED - 1:48 - Harbor craft - POF
I haven't been watching lately, but catching up now I could 'like' every post, Maury. For future reference, if you want to highlight that scarf joint, just knock off the corners on top of the rail with two licks of fine sandpaper.
David Anscherl's Swan class series has an intriguing method of doing a rudder, if you have that series. It's one of those 'now how'd he do that' sort of things.
And... I obviously hadn't gotten up to date when I wrote that. I was still a page out, but the Swan class series does have lots of excellent material, even if you aren't building that particular vessel.
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jbshan got a reaction from Canute in Anchor Hoy c. 1825 by Maury S - FINISHED - 1:48 - Harbor craft - POF
I haven't been watching lately, but catching up now I could 'like' every post, Maury. For future reference, if you want to highlight that scarf joint, just knock off the corners on top of the rail with two licks of fine sandpaper.
David Anscherl's Swan class series has an intriguing method of doing a rudder, if you have that series. It's one of those 'now how'd he do that' sort of things.
And... I obviously hadn't gotten up to date when I wrote that. I was still a page out, but the Swan class series does have lots of excellent material, even if you aren't building that particular vessel.
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jbshan got a reaction from Canute in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
Now that's an interesting point, frolick. I had not heard that before. I have read that davits were a fairly new thing, and the quarter davits came before the stern davits. I suspect the qtr. davits on the replica vessel are as they are so a boat can be quickly launched in case of emergency (Coast Guard etc.). The literature (and HMS Victory) show wooden qtr. davits (they are straight timbers with sheaves at the outer end for the boat falls) that are pivoted at the butt end and can 'retract' toward the shrouds, supported by tackle that goes to the upper portion of the mast. Slacking off on this tackle allows the davits to reach further out, past the tumblehome, and the falls can then lower the boat to the water. I did my version of Lawrence with only stern davits, so you have given me justification for what was only an instinctual decision.
The forward most port of eleven, Mike, would be mostly a bridle port, for handling the anchors. There is a lot of length between the forward gun port and the stem, and, while it was apparently not uncommon or unknown for the anchors to be handled over the rail on these smallish vessels, there is nothing to preclude adding a bridle port to make the job easier.
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