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Hello Jan,
 
It's the http://www.flex-i-file.com/touch-n-flow-system.php I use.

Hi Piet,
 
the sea is quite good. The larger bow wave does add to the diorama.
 
Ans as the others said: smoke is getring better and better. I wagerly await the end of your further experiments!
 
jan
 

Standard practice with deagostini: no kits, only subscriptions, and not all subscriptions available in all countries. (Or at least, not at the same time) I don't know how it is now, but last year Wasa did not ship to theNetherlands.
 
sometimes, ebay is your escape: someone starting the subscription,but dis not start it, and now resells. But as this one is available only in Russia, I don't think your chances are very high......
 
Jan

Hi Piet,
 
the sea is quite good. The larger bow wave does add to the diorama.
 
Ans as the others said: smoke is getring better and better. I wagerly await the end of your further experiments!
 
jan
 

I can live with that  
As it llpks now, she will be up to your usual standard
Where do you buy the syringe and needles?
Jan
 

Hi Piet,
 
the sea is quite good. The larger bow wave does add to the diorama.
 
Ans as the others said: smoke is getring better and better. I wagerly await the end of your further experiments!
 
jan
 

Good evening everyone and thanks to all for your very encouraging comments, so very much appreciated.  Also thanks to all who clicked the like button.
 
Yes, Lou, I looked at steel wool but the cotton was finer and easier to work with. I think I have come up with a method I think will produce a more realistic smoke.  I wish you good luck with your wife's Titanic, not an easy scale but you'll do okay with it, I'm sure.
 
Hey Mark, good seeing you here again. Yup, I looked into the model railroaders but not much on gunsmoke, just chimney smoke using cotton. Looks good at viewing distance.
 
Hello OC, yes, I looked at those marvelous dioramas of aircraft and tanks exploding, a hard act to follow, especially at my scale of 1:350.
 
Thank you Jud for your very helpful info, looks like you have naval gunnery experience, like Amateur Jan with field artillery.  Now that you mentioned the Japanese used die marker shells I did read about that in the several books I have on the Battle in the Java Sea.  Hmmm, food for though adding some red in one and yellow in the other. I could still make the splashes a little higher too.  All I plan to do with the gun flashes is some red and perhaps light yellow coming out of the barrel.
Yes, they had a fire control system for distance, direction and elevation. As far as I can determine from reading about the actions there were no broadsides.  The photo I posted of "Java" with a broadside was the contest winner's "hurray."
 
Thank you Nils and no, it's rather difficult depicting smoke at this scale but I tried something yesterday and I may be on the right track with that.
 
Thank you Marcus for you kudos. Back from Holland? How was your mother's birthday? All's well over there?
 
Hi John, good to see you again and thanks for your approvals.
 
Hello Lawrence, thank you as well. I think I lucked out with the bow waves, I'm still tweaking them as we speak. After I walk away from it for a day or so and scrutinize it again I find little things to work on.
 
Well, no matter what spray gun I use, the paint still seems to make the cotton smoke look unrealistic enough to keep trying.  This morning I started to pull one of the pre painted funnel smoke pieces apart and made an irregular ball from it.  This seems to come closer to what I think the cordite smoke could look. I have temporarily put them on wooden pins that I cemented to the barrels.  These pins serve as the support as well as painting the gun flash on them.  When I get additional input from the experts, when I get a yay I can cement them to the wooden pins and shape them into some realistic form.
Working with these fluffy balls without support doesn't work too well.
 
Below I post a few pics I took this morning before my dental appointment.

The light above the workbench made the dark grey of the smoke kinda washed out.  The intend is for constructive criticism as far as form and shape. The one on the left still needs a redo.
 

 

Hmmm, the overhead light did cast a nice shadow though.
 
Next is the funnel smoke.
 
Cheers,

Hi Piet,
 
That is a very nice result. And as you ask: I think the smoke from the stacks is convincing, the smoke from the guns is not.
 
I have three points of doubt:
 
1. the form: I was in the artillery during my military service (10 guys to man one gun, so I am not too surprised by the number of man standing to one gun). And one thing we learned: The smokeball from the gun has a strange form: once the shell leaves the gun, the first amount of smoke is blown sideways, at the same time the gumn recoils, and the remainder of the smoke trails the shell. It makes the smokeball a bit lengthened, but slightly wider at the point where it leaves the gun, but also: the end of the gun is covered in smoke just after firing. 
And also: the smoke ball is denser and darker in the middle, and more open at the outside, especially when there is some wind blowing.It is certainly not a round ball-like cloud (and of course: the size of the smokeball depending on quite a lot of factors).
 
2. the place were it is relative to the guns:  as the ship is going full speed, the smoke ball is not in the middle of the gun, but it trails the ship a bit.
 
3. : when you depict the gun while firing, the last smoke leaving contains burning powder, and is therefore colored different from the remainder of the smokeball.
 
In short: I like the result so far, but I think the gun-smoke needs some tuning.....
 
(below the only pic of a firing gun I have in my archive: A Dutch M114/39 shortly after firing a shell)

 
 
 

Standard practice with deagostini: no kits, only subscriptions, and not all subscriptions available in all countries. (Or at least, not at the same time) I don't know how it is now, but last year Wasa did not ship to theNetherlands.
 
sometimes, ebay is your escape: someone starting the subscription,but dis not start it, and now resells. But as this one is available only in Russia, I don't think your chances are very high......
 
Jan

I took some time to read this one. This guy is a wizard with cotton and chicken wire.
(Although my guess is that a major part of the wizardry is not in the cotton, but in his setup for the pics)
 
Jan
 

Did some searchin gin the navy foto-archive.
Found three pics (Piet without doubt has them on his computer).
 
two of Java firing (one at daytime at full speed, one at night, and looking at the water: without speed at all)
 
 

and one of De Ruyter showing the burning hot gasses leaving the gun. IN the night-pic I can't discover whether or not we only see the center of the smoke-ball, or the total. IN that case, it is a fairly compact smoke-ball. Comparing it to the other two, I guess we see only the core of the smoke, that is lighter by the hot gasses.

 
Jan
 
 

Hi Piet,
 
That is a very nice result. And as you ask: I think the smoke from the stacks is convincing, the smoke from the guns is not.
 
I have three points of doubt:
 
1. the form: I was in the artillery during my military service (10 guys to man one gun, so I am not too surprised by the number of man standing to one gun). And one thing we learned: The smokeball from the gun has a strange form: once the shell leaves the gun, the first amount of smoke is blown sideways, at the same time the gumn recoils, and the remainder of the smoke trails the shell. It makes the smokeball a bit lengthened, but slightly wider at the point where it leaves the gun, but also: the end of the gun is covered in smoke just after firing. 
And also: the smoke ball is denser and darker in the middle, and more open at the outside, especially when there is some wind blowing.It is certainly not a round ball-like cloud (and of course: the size of the smokeball depending on quite a lot of factors).
 
2. the place were it is relative to the guns:  as the ship is going full speed, the smoke ball is not in the middle of the gun, but it trails the ship a bit.
 
3. : when you depict the gun while firing, the last smoke leaving contains burning powder, and is therefore colored different from the remainder of the smokeball.
 
In short: I like the result so far, but I think the gun-smoke needs some tuning.....
 
(below the only pic of a firing gun I have in my archive: A Dutch M114/39 shortly after firing a shell)

 
 
 

I took some time to read this one. This guy is a wizard with cotton and chicken wire.
(Although my guess is that a major part of the wizardry is not in the cotton, but in his setup for the pics)
 
Jan
 

Did some searchin gin the navy foto-archive.
Found three pics (Piet without doubt has them on his computer).
 
two of Java firing (one at daytime at full speed, one at night, and looking at the water: without speed at all)
 
 

and one of De Ruyter showing the burning hot gasses leaving the gun. IN the night-pic I can't discover whether or not we only see the center of the smoke-ball, or the total. IN that case, it is a fairly compact smoke-ball. Comparing it to the other two, I guess we see only the core of the smoke, that is lighter by the hot gasses.

 
Jan
 
 

Hi Piet,
 
That is a very nice result. And as you ask: I think the smoke from the stacks is convincing, the smoke from the guns is not.
 
I have three points of doubt:
 
1. the form: I was in the artillery during my military service (10 guys to man one gun, so I am not too surprised by the number of man standing to one gun). And one thing we learned: The smokeball from the gun has a strange form: once the shell leaves the gun, the first amount of smoke is blown sideways, at the same time the gumn recoils, and the remainder of the smoke trails the shell. It makes the smokeball a bit lengthened, but slightly wider at the point where it leaves the gun, but also: the end of the gun is covered in smoke just after firing. 
And also: the smoke ball is denser and darker in the middle, and more open at the outside, especially when there is some wind blowing.It is certainly not a round ball-like cloud (and of course: the size of the smokeball depending on quite a lot of factors).
 
2. the place were it is relative to the guns:  as the ship is going full speed, the smoke ball is not in the middle of the gun, but it trails the ship a bit.
 
3. : when you depict the gun while firing, the last smoke leaving contains burning powder, and is therefore colored different from the remainder of the smokeball.
 
In short: I like the result so far, but I think the gun-smoke needs some tuning.....
 
(below the only pic of a firing gun I have in my archive: A Dutch M114/39 shortly after firing a shell)

 
 
 

I took some time to read this one. This guy is a wizard with cotton and chicken wire.
(Although my guess is that a major part of the wizardry is not in the cotton, but in his setup for the pics)
 
Jan
 

Did some searchin gin the navy foto-archive.
Found three pics (Piet without doubt has them on his computer).
 
two of Java firing (one at daytime at full speed, one at night, and looking at the water: without speed at all)
 
 

and one of De Ruyter showing the burning hot gasses leaving the gun. IN the night-pic I can't discover whether or not we only see the center of the smoke-ball, or the total. IN that case, it is a fairly compact smoke-ball. Comparing it to the other two, I guess we see only the core of the smoke, that is lighter by the hot gasses.

 
Jan
 
 

Nice progress!
Jan

So do I.
I don't always respond to new posts, but I always drop in to see the pics. She is avery convincing model. Guess you van posts video's of the model in the water, and claim it is the full-size orgininal. No one will notice
 
Jan

The sock is tied again just at the bottom of the wedges.

I fix the binding with glue and cut of the excess at the deck level.

The canvas on fishing sloops was sealed with tar. I seal it with acryl paint.

The mast sealing

I took some time to read this one. This guy is a wizard with cotton and chicken wire.
(Although my guess is that a major part of the wizardry is not in the cotton, but in his setup for the pics)
 
Jan
 

Did some searchin gin the navy foto-archive.
Found three pics (Piet without doubt has them on his computer).
 
two of Java firing (one at daytime at full speed, one at night, and looking at the water: without speed at all)
 
 

and one of De Ruyter showing the burning hot gasses leaving the gun. IN the night-pic I can't discover whether or not we only see the center of the smoke-ball, or the total. IN that case, it is a fairly compact smoke-ball. Comparing it to the other two, I guess we see only the core of the smoke, that is lighter by the hot gasses.

 
Jan
 
 

Did some searchin gin the navy foto-archive.
Found three pics (Piet without doubt has them on his computer).
 
two of Java firing (one at daytime at full speed, one at night, and looking at the water: without speed at all)
 
 

and one of De Ruyter showing the burning hot gasses leaving the gun. IN the night-pic I can't discover whether or not we only see the center of the smoke-ball, or the total. IN that case, it is a fairly compact smoke-ball. Comparing it to the other two, I guess we see only the core of the smoke, that is lighter by the hot gasses.

 
Jan
 
 

I took some time to read this one. This guy is a wizard with cotton and chicken wire.
(Although my guess is that a major part of the wizardry is not in the cotton, but in his setup for the pics)
 
Jan
 

I took some time to read this one. This guy is a wizard with cotton and chicken wire.
(Although my guess is that a major part of the wizardry is not in the cotton, but in his setup for the pics)
 
Jan