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zoly99sask reacted to mtbediz in Santa Maria by mrcc - FINISHED - Mamoli MV42 - 1:50
Hi Julian,
You are off to a good start. I will be following with interest because i am currently building Santa Maria too.
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zoly99sask reacted to mrcc in Santa Maria by mrcc - FINISHED - Mamoli MV42 - 1:50
More progress...
Certainly on this first image you can see some of the challenges with the frames or bulkheads not lining up well and being loose in the slots of the keel from side to side and fore and aft. This was basically the story along the whole length of the keel.
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zoly99sask reacted to mrcc in Santa Maria by mrcc - FINISHED - Mamoli MV42 - 1:50
The deck would / should normally fit past the bulkhead extensions and fit in one piece over the deck base. The bulkheads were so off, some even twisted in their slots that I had to cut the deck into quarters in order to fit them in. Some of the slots in the deck were widened substantially in order for them to fit past the bulkhead extensions, down flush on the base.
The last image shows some of the fill to level out the deck topside surface.
My fault certainly in not taking extra care and extension when fitting and gluing the bulkheads... I did lots of fairing and sanding and adding of strips to outside bulkhead surfaces to achieve perfect bulkhead / hull surface preparation for the planking to follow. This I certainly took the time to do correctly...
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zoly99sask reacted to mrcc in Santa Maria by mrcc - FINISHED - Mamoli MV42 - 1:50
Thanks Mustafa for checking in,
I am quietly following along a few of the Santa Maria's being built at this time...
in particular yours and Zoltan's build which is the Mantua version.
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zoly99sask reacted to normanh in The hazardous chemicals we use
Try reading the information sheet given with prescription medicines for side effects - I take a couple one for blood pressure, the laugh is we take these to either control or cure a medical condition.
I have worked with chemicals for most of my working life and trained and qualified in chemistry, all substances should and are assessed in their intend application and must always be treated with respect and not abused.
Norman
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zoly99sask reacted to bluenose2 in Using highly toxic substances.
Hello wefalck. Les back. My intention was never to impune your credentials. My goal here is to have a topic that members can go to so they can see the ramifications of the products they use. The reason I got upset with your post was that as I young guy fresh out of high school I worked at a fertilizer plant. I was burnt on my back with sulfuric or sulphuric acid. Once again I respect your credentials.
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zoly99sask reacted to bluenose2 in Using highly toxic substances.
Hello wefalk Les here. I want "YOU" and everyone else who has looked at this thread to IMMEDATELY google Sulfuric or the alternative spelling Sulphuric acid. Go to the wikipedia web site on this. " NO ONE" , I repeat "NO ONE" should ever drink this substance as it is the main component in your car battery. If splashed in your eyes it can cause blindness, severe burns to skin and respiratory damage to name a few. This is the main reason I would like to see a dedicated topic to things we use and their interactions. Our health is extremely important and this should not be a space for unqualified recommendations for handling such items.
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zoly99sask reacted to Tigersteve in US Brig Syren by Nirvana - Model Shipways
Definitely in for this one.
Steve
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zoly99sask reacted to Nirvana in US Brig Syren by Nirvana - Model Shipways
Well,
I didn't expected I would come to this point.
But here is my build log of the Syren.
I feel a presentation of the kit is not necessary.
Reklein and I are both members of PSSM, so this could be considered as a club build.
Our President has already started the build but has had the bit at a stand still for a long time.
I had started the kit, but the keel for BF was to warped and twisted to be used, even after two weeks of straightening.
I even tried with the inserted bulkheads and filler blocks to get it straight"er" but to no avail.
I contacted Mr. Mosko at ModelExpo via email and got a quick respons the following morning.
I have shaped the bulkheads, put the templates together and will do other work while waiting for the new BF to arrive.
The build jig is made and ready to go to.
The current BF and bulkheads are just put together without glue and I am using them to bend the planking.
Thought they could come to good use for that purpose.
Lastly, I would like to extend a big thank you to all other members who has build Syren, as your logs will provide a lot of extra information needed for the build and how to avoid pit holes along the way.
Now picture time
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zoly99sask reacted to CDW in IJN Musashi by cog - Tamiya - 1:350 - PLASTIC - old tool
These little paper embossing tools work fantastic for precision placement of super glue. The little ball on the end of the tool allows you to place a tiny "dot" of glue just where you want it.
https://www.amazon.com/Styluses-Embossing-Pattern-Sculpting-Making/dp/B008UN6H10/ref=sr_1_4?s=arts-crafts&ie=UTF8&qid=1494009053&sr=1-4&keywords=embossing+tools+for+paper
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zoly99sask reacted to DORIS in HMS ROYAL KATHERINE 1664 by Doris - 1/55 - CARD
Thank you very much, dear Piet. I appreciate your words a lot.
The ship is already placed on the pedestal and the gun ports are framed, so now I can begin to cover the surface using "wooden" planks - of course made of foil strips.
My feathered assistant almost fell asleep so I stayed alone on my job again ...
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zoly99sask reacted to EJ_L in La Couronne by EJ_L - FINISHED - Corel - 1:100 - 1637 Version
La Couronne's ship yard is open again this weekend. Didn't get as much build time in as I was planning but I still managed to get the main course yard bent to the main mast and all the associated rigging in place. With that yard, she has reached her widest dimension at 13". What is nice about that milestone is now that I now have verified all three dimensions that I need to accurately design her display.
Next up will of course be the main top and main top gallant yards. Rigging the main top yard is fairly straight forward and as I already have it shaped and blocks attached, it won't take much to finish. the top gallant though has another crows foot rig which have been equaling a full days worth of work by themselves. Maybe next weekend....
Enjoy the update!
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zoly99sask reacted to EJ_L in La Couronne by EJ_L - FINISHED - Corel - 1:100 - 1637 Version
Thank you to all the kind words, likes and simply following along!
I have a feeling there will be some rework done on the top gallant crows foot, if not both of them, when I switch back to this build. I have a couple of ideas that may work for straightening the ropes out and taking care of the tension problems. It will involve reworking parts of the rig but, the work will be worth it. I think this is just one of those situations where I need to take a step back from the project for a little while to clear my head. I know I start getting impatient when I get frustrated and just want it done which leads me to settle on a less than my best result. It's a bad habit I am trying to put behind me and working on two ships at the same time is helping. When I hit those times I can simply switch over to the other build while my head clears to allow for the fix it ideas to come in.
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zoly99sask reacted to EJ_L in La Couronne by EJ_L - FINISHED - Corel - 1:100 - 1637 Version
Well the fore top gallant yard has been bent in place and the rigging done. Admittedly I've been struggling with getting the crows feet tensioned properly. I just do not have enough downward pull on the stay to keep them tight. I think when I rig the braces I will be able to get the proper pull then as all of the lines run through blocks attached to the stays at the feet of the crows feet. I have a feeling I will be adjusting them till the end. I will finally either find that magic pull or give up and case her. I left a few ropes loose so I can keep making adjustments as more rigging goes up.
In the meantime, with all of the foremast yards in place, she will be going back under the bag as the ship yard crew switches over to S.R. for a little while. This is actually fighting against my desire to keep pushing to finish her up. I'm surprisingly not tired of rigging but, with so much work still to be done on S.R., I figured I had better leave some work on Couronne to give me relief from that build. So I will go work on S.R. for a while but when I return it will be time for the main mast yards to go on. Another milestone will be reached then as once the main yard is in place, she will have reached her widest dimension.
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zoly99sask reacted to Louie da fly in Golden Hind (ex-Pelican) by Baker - FINISHED - scale 1/45 - Galleon late 16th century
Good luck with it. There'll never be an exact replica of the Golden Hind unless someone gets a time machine and goes back to have a look (and take photos, measure up etc). Whether she had a stern gallery, what her colour scheme was - all conjecture. But it's certainly possible to make a model of what she could have looked like and not be too far wrong.
She may not have been a new ship in 1577, as Francis Drake renamed her on the voyage - she'd been the Pelican. According to Wikipedia, she was 100 feet long.
You already have Mathew Baker which is probably your most reliable source, but (though these are not English), you might also look at the SO-1 wreck (see here) and the Red Bay wreck which sank in 1565 (see here and here. (there are also other websites available if you do a bit of a search). And the Swedish warship Mars, sunk in 1564 here
And there's a thesis here on the evloution of hull design in sixteenth century ships of war which has some useful information in it.
Have fun!
Steven
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zoly99sask reacted to Baker in Golden Hind (ex-Pelican) by Baker - FINISHED - scale 1/45 - Galleon late 16th century
Thanks Michael,
I'm glad to be in your memory files
The combination of plywood frames and filler blocks indeed gives a solid hull
I remember the problems I had with my Vasa planking where I only had frames and no experience in planking...
It was then that I said. Grrr... planking a wooden hull Never again
For me, on the lower part of the hull, it takes the same amount of time to place filler blocks instead of a first planking.
And filler blocks are in my opinion better.
Errors can easily be sanded. And you have a solid basis to bend the planks.
Make plank in the right shape. Soak them well in water Clamp them onto the hull and allow to dry Remove them, ad glue on the plank, clamp them on the hull and let dry. Finish The planks are always bent correctly and no expensive tools are required.
Thanks to everyone for following and likes
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zoly99sask reacted to md1400cs in Golden Hind (ex-Pelican) by Baker - FINISHED - scale 1/45 - Galleon late 16th century
Patrick,
Super nice planking !!
Solid interior hull shaping allowing for single (thicker) outer planking, along with your method of cutting/bracing the planks is excellent.
I will keep this in my "memory files". I had not seen this before.
Your build will be indeed a great one when finished (;-)
Cheers,
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zoly99sask reacted to Baker in Golden Hind (ex-Pelican) by Baker - FINISHED - scale 1/45 - Galleon late 16th century
Planking the lower part of the hull (part one).
First i have read the articles about planking.
http://modelshipworldforum.com/ship-model-framing-and-planking-articles.php
I have tried to follow the rules for planking a model ship as much as possible.
To everyone who helped with this articles, they were very helpful.
Thank you very much !!
Following the information found the planks were 4.2 to 5.2 meters long
The average thickness is 7 cm
The width varied between 36 and 48 cm
The widest planks were located at the bottom of the hull
Source : the Gresham ship project
Planking in progress
Ready for sanding
A first sanding is done with sandpaper grain 60.
Halfway in planking the lower part of the hull.
In part 2 the other half
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zoly99sask reacted to Baker in Golden Hind (ex-Pelican) by Baker - FINISHED - scale 1/45 - Galleon late 16th century
Thank you for your visit.
My way of building a wooden model ship may not always be the usual method.
That's because I've been busy with plastic model building all my life.
The goal remains the same
Try to build a model of a ship, tank, cannon or airplane as good as possible.
Planking Goes slow but steady.
This is the part of the building that I do not like to do.
So it will take a while.
Installing the power tools out doors does not take to long
And the cleaning is very easy
Blow all the dust away with my aircompressor haha
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zoly99sask reacted to Baker in Golden Hind (ex-Pelican) by Baker - FINISHED - scale 1/45 - Galleon late 16th century
Hallo,
I made wales and extra planks.
Wales are 5mm wide and 3.5mm thick.
These dimensions are slightly too large compared to shipwrecks .
After several attempts for bending the wales. I gave up ..
cold water, hot water, very hot water, steaming.
Ramin 5mm at 3.5mm will simply not bend enough.
So plan B.
The front part of the wale at the bow is hand sawed from a solid piece of ramin.
And is glued.
The rest of the wale is then also be glued into place.
The scarf joints between the loose pieces of the wale will be imitated.
I don’t have the proper tools too make good scarf joints
So, This method works more easily and will look pretty good once finished.
Wale N ° 1is attached.
The wales are painted black before glueing and sanded after .
Now planking has started.
The planks are first soaked in water.
Are then clamped onto the model until they are dry.
Then they are glued.
Wale and plank info : The Gresham Ship project
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zoly99sask reacted to Louie da fly in Golden Hind (ex-Pelican) by Baker - FINISHED - scale 1/45 - Galleon late 16th century
Wonderful research, Patrick. I love to see someone really taking the time to search up the evidence on how ships were built, particularly ones of this period and earlier, where information is hard to get. But the Red Bay wreck and the Gresham ship are wonderful resources that just weren't available, even a decade ago.
Steven
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zoly99sask reacted to Baker in Golden Hind (ex-Pelican) by Baker - FINISHED - scale 1/45 - Galleon late 16th century
Michael : thanks
Cristian :
Most of the info i found came from the internet and is printed as a pdf. and i have some books.
Good and correct information about this period is sparse.
Things too look for with google about shipbuilding in the late 16th century :
"Red bay shipwreck" : the San Juan, a Spanish Galleon.
"albaola.com" a modern shipyard that makes a replica of the San Juan.
Gresham shipwreck" or "Princess channel shipwreck"
"English shipbuilding 16th century"
Some links on the internet :
http://um.gipuzkoakultura.net/pdf/loewe.pdf
http://www.albaola.com/en/site/building-process
http://www.maritimearchaeology.dk/downloads/Furring%20in%20light%20of%2016th%20century%20ship%20design_web.pdf
http://www.maritimearchaeology.dk/downloads/Full%20thesis%20bates.pdf
http://www.wessexarch.co.uk/files/PMA41.2Auer-Firth.pdf
http://nautarch.tamu.edu/pdf-files/Myers-MA%201987.pdf
http://www.patrimoniocultural.pt/media/uploads/trabalhosdearqueologia/18/22.pdf
http://www.bricksite.com/uf/40000_49999/48372/7e570040536647340b5566f37c70ca11.pdf
This is very interesting.
"The Gresham ship project".
I can not make a internetlink for this. But it can be found and saved on the pc or printed for free.
The new lay out for the wales.
There is a good chance this will be the final layout.
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zoly99sask reacted to MEDDO in Want to buy some Black Ebony
After seeing the excellent paint/dye jobs here on MSW I for one am going to be avoiding this toxic species.
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zoly99sask reacted to druxey in Want to buy some Black Ebony
As has been remarked many times on MSW: ebony is hard to work, does not glue or bend well and is toxic. It is also expensive. Consider dyeing a different specie of wood black instead. Holly has worked very well for me.