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I made scuppers again with a template in order to get them absolutely the same.

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... gratings been grinded.

It looks boring at the moment, but will get some depth after applying slight bating/mordant and after the nails are on/in.

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Here are two cross sections: one by Otte Blom and one from my plan front part of the ship where you can see the area around the gratings.

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Yes, the Dutch ships seem to have some specialities - I have a feeling.

My friend Mile Bijelić (who won gold on World champinship twice and knows a lot about english vessels) and me are often struggling if/when starting from the english way of building ships. The first I needed to learn with Dutch ships is – other rules and in my eyes – some good sense for simplicity and practical solutions for that time.

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Jan,

On one photo (2^nd - is it on the lower deck?) there is an additional part, but not raised.

I know we are again touching the topic: „What was or could be, but we do not have any exact 100% documentation on the 7P”.

Still, if you look at my deck which I am going to finish soon, you can see the part between gratings which looks similar to the Dik’s solution. I decided for it since it makes sense to have a smooth surface in such a ship which needs high functionality and any obstacle could mean a certain hurdle in a battle.

I will attach this part holding the gratings onto the beam on the same way as the Vasa had – with two bolts on each end and two in the middle – in total 6 bolts. The gratings itself seem to be nailed/bolted too (logically) but according to the Vasa – with very thin bolts on each joint and positioned diagonally (also logical). Winter’s model shows one strong bolt, but i believe this was a compromise of the model. Let’s see how small I can go with my “with-needle-made-bolts”. Till now, I managed 0.4mm without bigger problems - will probably need 0.3mm or so.

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Today, I was working on gratings...

and gluing them with CA-glue from the bottom side

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Jan,

I attached some fotos of Vasa. Seems slightly different construction than Winter's.

Concerning the colour for the 7P...

Here is the answer I got from Ab Hoving before few days:

“... the clinker part was painted with (most likely) Spanish green. It looks a bit on the pale side, but when you give it a wash of matt varnish with a little bit of Van Dijk's brown, you will see the color darkens to exactly what was done in those days.
Gold on ornaments is OK for prestigious models, but in reality they used bright oker yellow with a shining varnish over it, to imitate gold.”

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Thank you, seems I am going follow in Dik’s direction I think.

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Another question for the discussion:

Positioning the gratings on the beams in the longitudinal direction...  also something not completely clear to me after discussing with Ab – probably even not known how this construction had been made on 7P.

From the sketch by Dik (pls. see drawing), it seems there is some kind of insert (additional part) put onto the beam. It’s function would be to hold the longitudinal gratings. Ab says, there is no need to add an additional part from the ship builder’s perspective. Still, on the Winter’s model, I believe to see some bolts on the beams (only there, where the gratings are) holding something – like they are holding this part which is sitting additionally on the beam. Do you know what I mean?

Any idea here how it should be?

For me it means: to show or not to show bolts on the beams in this place.

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Jan,

... for the colours,  I am not so far to need to know it, just tried to express my opinion but, I can ask Ab next time – a good idea.

--- for the scuppers, we have been writing last week several times, but Ab said, he does not know about difference between lower and upper deck.  Maybe I am again thinking too exact. I think I have seen some models having different scupper construction on upper and lower decks. The model by Artitec does not have any scuppers! Maybe they added them later – after these photos had been taken.

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If you look at this model by Herbert Thomaesen, it seems to show the ship after a certain time of use/wear – not really a new ship.

I will show it in nearly new outfit, so must check the real colour with some people before I put my brush on the hull

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... and some others I've found in the web.

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Since, it seems, the info on the Artitec ship is interesting, I will post few photos I got from Herbert Thomaesen

I don't know if this is the model in the diorama or the one standing outside, but definitely a good source. Ab Hoving said, he, Cor Emke and Herbert were working closely together to make it right.

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I have a question concerning the scuppers (spuigat): On different models, I see different constructions.

Since I am going to show only the scuppers on the upper deck (Verdek), I am not sure if Dik’s construction is the one meant for this deck. I attached the sketch from Dik’s book.

Any idea if this construction is right for the upper deck?

The model from Winter’s book (Holländischer Zweidecker 1660/70) has different, more simple construction.

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Yes, something in this direction.

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Concerning the colour of the painted part of the hull, I will probably use light pale green paint. In my opinion, the Revel model paint SM 365 comes quite close to it. Maybe I will mix a little of the Matt 59 to make it lighter and definitely dull. Please, see the model from the Artitec in my previous postings.

I think the Batavia also has similar colour.

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Status now…

Next, I am going to grind the decks to a plane surface.

The waterway is still not installed, but a false one – in order not to damage the right waterway during grinding process.

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Thank you guys!

Well, I was building high end loudspeakers in the last few months. But, I didn't stop the 7P, not at all. Just a small break.

The link to my loudspeaker project is (Facebook):

https://www.facebook.com/drazen.caric/media_set?set=a.643405582340354.1073741825.100000127558687&type=3

.. and sorry, it is in German.

We will definitely go on in next months. First to rest into holidays in August.

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... placing the deck planking.

The planks have been made very exact. Still, each plank needs to be "fine-tuned" in order to fit well (I do not like the word "perfect" since nothing is perfect ).

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Now, the beams have been installed between the binding strakes.

Below the main mast hole, you can (hardly) see the small box for the ladders and the part of the lower deck I showed in previous postings. I just covered it with soft paper in order to protect from any glue drops or excessive dust.

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... and here the beams with inlets for the gratings. I tried to show the slight curvature on the photo.

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... bending the inserts for the gratings...

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... making the beams...

This came out from the bent wood we had a discussion before. The curvature is just slightly visible, but important..

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some steps I have done in between...

Installing binding strakes

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