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Hi Tom, Here is what I mean by deck mounted tackles. If you look at this photo of Endurance (best I could find on a quick search that shows it) and have a look at the blocks that I circled, those appear to be the tackles for the main course sheets and lifts. Here is the same photo without the circles. On the Fish (and based on photos on Discovery as well), those tackles are set up like so (pardon my terrible drawing): So the live ends of the course lifts and sheets are a double block (the circled ones in the photo). The block has the static end of another line that is run through a block on the deck near the mast, back through the first block and then down to the deck mounted block with the live end now available for belaying. This makes it much easier to operate the lines - and the course yards and sheets are going to be the most massive and hardest to move. Rigged like this, it makes complete sense to belay on either a fife rail around the base of the mast (which I gather is not present on Endurance) or on the spider band. Anyway, the model may not have planned for such tackle, which is fine, all models are simplifications. Either way, yours is looking great! Regards, George

Looking good!

Looks like it might vary. Both Anatomy of the Ship for USS Constitution, and if you look here: https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/2023/08/07/main-mast-work-continues/, it seems like Connie has ratlines all the way to the top. Similarly, here is Niagara (from FLIKR) That kind of makes sense since the lubber's hole is pretty useless if you can't reach it with the ratlines. I wouldn't lose any sleep over them though - they will be next to invisible. Regards, George

Ain't that the truth. You need some number of base units, and I don't have an issue with the meter, the liter is 1000 cm3, the second and volt were pretty much universal. But this proliferation of named units that don't tell you what they are measuring: webers, grays, bequerels, sieverts, grays, teslas, etc., etc drive me nuts. I mean I know what they measure because I remember some of my physics,, but I would have to look them up to see how they mapped to base units to use them mathematically (not that this has been much of a problem since I took physical chemistry in grad school, but still). And with that I will ask those annoying neighbor kids to get off of my lawn, and move on. Regards, George

Thanks Rick! The wood is bass, 3/64 by 1/8. The bulwarks are going to be made from 1/32 by 1/8 planks with 3/32 stanchions.

And weight calculated in stones. What's up with that? And capacity in tons burthen

Well, there's the fact that it looks great! The holes in the top are fairleads, and that is their purpose on the ship (basically keep the lines from fouling each other). Whether the main spar lifts were meant to go through the fairleads or through the lubber's hole is specific to your ship, and I have no insight there. Earlier you mentioned not worrying too much about where to put the lines. I agree with that assessment - most belaying plans are at best recommendations - ship captain's (and crews) belayed where it was convenient. if you look at generic belaying plans, things like the course spar lifts, course clew garnet, course and topgallant sheets tended to be belayed by the mast. This makes sense since they were often operated with tackles that were mounted to the deck near the mast, and who wants to run the live end of a deck mounted tackle to the bulwarks. I don't know if you have such a tackle on Endurance but there is on Discovery and there is a certain logic to such an arrangement. Your mileage may vary. Regardless, looking fabulous. Regards, George

George, I took a look and yes indeed Flying Fish is recorded as having 8250 "yards" of canvas, but as canvas came in I believe 3-foot wide "bolts" to be sewn together into a sail, each "yard" of a yard-wide bolt is in fact one square yard. Vastly larger than Discovery's sail area Ah, that makes sense, it's the length of a standard bolt! Following your lead, I see here: https://textileranger.com/2017/12/05/a-compendium-of-sail-information/, that "Standards for British manufactured sailcloth were enacted in 1746. In addition to requiring British sail makers to mark each new sail with his name and address, the size of a bolt of sailcloth was standardized at twenty-four inches wide by thirty-eight yards long", and Wikipedia says 23 inches wide in the US and 24 in Britain. Still that gives us a range of: 23 inch yards: 8250 'yards'*1.958 ft/"yards"*3 = 48,468.75 sq ft. 24 inch yards: 8250 'yards'*2.0 ft/"yards"*3 = 49,500 sq. ft 36 inch yards: 8250 'yards'*3.0 ft/"yards"*3 = 74,250 sq. ft. As you say - VASTLY larger, 4x at a miniumm. An acre is 43,560 sq. ft. so the Fish had more than acre of sale at even the lowest size bolt. I wonder how many acres of cotton or flax would be needed to make that much cloth. Amazing. Regards, GAK

Thanks Rick! Ian, I took a look at Fram. Every time I read about these expeditions, I have a flashback to Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid - "Who are these guys"? That is one tiny ship to be taking on an expedition to the South Pole - 128 feet. Discovery is half again as long and carried three times the crew. Amazing. I will note that there is also an MS Fram that does cruises to polar regions and a SpaceX mission called Fram that is due to launch this year and have a polar orbit. So, an update. I've made some progress installing the second set of planking, but realized that I didn't order quite enough of the correct size of wood, so I will need to order a bit more. As can be seen in the photos of my last entry, the second planking does not cover the totality of the ship's hull. For example, it runs to the bottom of the propeller shaft as can be seen on this excerpt of a photo from the Scott Polar Research Institute (original here: https://www.spri.cam.ac.uk/picturelibrary/catalogue/article/p83.6.2.3.2/) At the bow, the ship is double planked at least to station 3 on the plans, which makes sense as there is an iron ice breaker attached (this is courtesy of a document sent to me by the Discovery Cove Museum in Dundee: Or this close up (source Google Maps - full photo credited to Open Virtual Worlds) As I mentioned, when I plotted the cutoff points using the sections, it produced a lower line that did not correspond with the photos as shown, so I did my best to come to terms with the variation in a fashion that would seem to make sense and produce a reasonable looking result. This yielded the following lower limit on the double planking, as seen from the above: You can see where the double planking isn't complete, but it shouldn't take a ton more lumber. Here is the ship from both sides. I haven't really sanded it yet - will do that once the double bottom is done. In the interim, here she is from both port and starboard: It's amazing how much neater the second planking goes on - get a solid surface, and thinner stock and things go on really easily. I will put the bulwarks in while I'm waiting for the rest of the wood. One question for the experts out there. This is a barque with a 450 hp steam engine. She carries 3 masts, 2 square rigged, each with a course, split topsails, and a topgallant (so 4 yards per mast) and a fore-and-aft mizzen. Discovery has relatively narrow, non-built masts - much smaller in diameter to the massive built masts on my last ship, the Flying Fish. I was wondering about why they could get away with masts like that, and had speculated that a clipper like that would carry a lot more canvas (I mean the Fish had 3 square rigged masts with course, top, topgallant, royal, and skysails) plus all of the clipper extras (studding sails, ringtail, etc.). However, when I look up the size of their rigs, we find that the Fish carried "8250 yards of canvass [sic] in a single suit." The Discovery had a sail area (in 1901) of 12,296 sq ft. So, is the 8250 "yards" square yards, or is there some arcane convention that can be used to convert to square feet? Crothers goes into great detail on these ships about everything but their sail plans (which I realize changed a lot over time). Any help greatly appreciated. As always, thanks for looking in! Regards, George

Looking great! Fabulous brass work there. George

I'm also for the thinner thread. Also, FWIW, the line dimensions printed on the plans are circumference, not diameter. You may have already corrected for that, if so, my bad. I used boring, black, mercerized cotton sewing thread for my ratlines. Visible enough, but not too visible, and I found that it hung and tied better than the (I think polyester) line supplied by the kit. Regards, George

Thanks Bill. I find them to be interesting subjects as well, and Discovery seems to have been overshadowed by Endurance. Wisborough Green eh.... luckily for you, beyond telescope distance 🙂. Haywards Heath You gentlemen have now improved my geographical knowledge of Southern England by at least 2X, just by looking up the locations you reference! On to an update +which has been a while coming). The wood arrived for the next couple of steps. As I've mentioned, the Discovery has a double hull over portions of the ship. You can see it on this photo of the plans. The exact point where the double hull ends varies by frame (which makes these cross sections very useful), with the bow covered from sheer strake to keel (sensible since it has to break ice) but the stern only covered as far as the bottom of the prop shaft as seen here: I'm working on where to put the exact line for the bottom of the double hull, as the drawings and this photo seem a bit in contention, but we'll resolve. In the meantime I've started to put the upper strakes on: And to get the part of the ship that won't be double bulled to a decent finish. Once the double hull is in place, I will be adding a 1/16 square piece of wood to the top of the upper strakes, which will replicate the shape of the actual ship at that location. Then it will be the bulwarks. As you can see from this top photo, the planksheer has holes precut to accept 1/16" stanchions. The sections will drive the ange that they are inserted, and I have some thin (1/32") wood to make the bulwarks from. As always thanks for the encouragement and for looking in. Regards, George PS: @Kevin-the-lubber and @KeithAug, I will be in your part of the world in December. The admiral and I are taking the QM2 from Southampton to New York for our 60th birthdays.

Looking good Jared! I didn't bother with clove hitches, too much bulk, too hard to get the line to hang right. Simple overhand knot, using a piece of paper with the pattern behind the lines. Regards, George

Looking really great Rick! The chapeling may look different because of photo angles and/or paint. They certainly look great to me, and your yards are works of art. Regards, George

A bit of an update. The next steps were to cut the slots for the channels/pinrails and to install the sheaves aft of the final gunport, both of which are completed. In theory, the next step would be to put the deck down, and then installing the waterways. Unfortunately, if you do that, you wind up having to mask the entire deck during the painting process, which strikes me as odd. As a result, I decided that I would build the hammock nets and finish the basic hull and get all of the hull painting done before installing the main deck. Step 1 is to build the hammock netting, starting with the stern and moving forward. Based on the instructions and photos of the ship, the netting should be flush with the outer hull and extend slightly over the bulwarks on the inner side. The nominal interior width is 3/16 inches with 2 1/64 inch sidewalls for a total width of 7/32. In practice, the spacers/end pieces are slightly less than 3/16 so in every case I've needed to narrow the 3/16 wide bottom pieces to some degree or another. The instructions are clear that the rear nets in particular are vertical, and do not follow the flow of the bulwark outward. Progress so far as in the pictures below: In the picture below, you can see the sheave on the port side, and the slot on the starboard side for the aft channel/pinrail under the hammock netting between the gunports. I have to say that the ship (not the model, but the actual ship) seems strangely designed to me. The nominal height from the deck to the top of the hammock netting is about 6 feet, with the bottom opening of the gunport about 2 feet off the deck. That means that the bulwark height is only about 4 feet, with another 2 feet (1/4 inch at scale) of hammock netting. The bulwarks would have extensions of the ship's frames and two layers of planking to protect the crew, the hammock netting only has some thin planks and the bundled hammocks, which means that no one is particularly well protected. I would also note that the gunport frames extend above the bulwarks, without anything akin to a covering board or equivalent to provide additional strength. Perhaps the conclusion was that the guns of the day were so powerful there really wasn't meaningful protection to be offered (indeed using chain armor was key to the Kearsarge's success), but still, it feels kinda odd to me. Anyway, I'll be making these things for a little while, and will also put in the sally port ends before turning to the rest of the hull. Regards, George

Not sure which ship this is (Enterprise, Hornet, or Yorktown) but a good photo of the cross deck catapult. Carrier aviation is a specialist activity. Launching through the hanger is plain (hah!) insane.... Regards, George

Wow! How are you making these amazing parts? I gather you are a machinist, but still, wow! George

Hi Tom! I know that this is a month out of date, but your channels seem spot on vs. the directions. Here is a photo of Endurance that shows the channels and it is pretty clear you did it right Regards, George

Well, a bit of an update. If you look carefully at the photos in my previous entry, you will notice that somehow I managed to put the aftmost gunport in the wrong place. It's way too far aft - I apparently misread the marks that I put on the bulwarks that indicated where it was supposed to go. 100% my goof. So, repairs commenced. I cut out a bit of wood, fitted it to the gap: Sanded to match the curves of the bulwarks: Rinse and repeat on the other side: Once the paint the hammock nets are in place, you'll never know it was there. Annoying, but completely on me. I've since cut the correct gunports, and mounted the 10 gunport frames. Thank goodness for having 10 to fill 8 slots, as two of them were destroyed sanding them down to the thickness of the bulwarks. The trick is to leave cut the center piece, but leave it in the frame as you sand. Put the pressure on the frame as much as possible so you don't have to sand down a solid piece of wood, but it keeps the pressure off the relatively delicate piece of wood that is the frame. As you might have guessed, the answer to my question above was to sand the frames to the thickness of the bulwarks, and I've pretty much concluded that the parts are just mislabelled as I mentioned. So, next step will be to add the frames for the large pivot guns, and then I think it's time to start cutting the slots for the channels and building gunport nettings. Thanks for looking in everyone! Regards, George

On my 1:96 Flying Fish, I used 1/16 square stock to make the stanchions. It wasn't really an option not make them, they were what I was going.ti build the bulwarks off. The stanchions on the real ship were extensions of the frames, so did have non square, non straight profiles, but at 1:96 on (in my case) a POB ship it made no sense to try to shape them. I did include the ventilation tubes. I'm a little surprised they are straight on the plans. The Fish plans had them turn over so that the opening faced down, presumably so that it would be a little harder for water to enter Regards, George

Not an update per se, but as part of a restoration, a group sponsored by Dundee Heritage (which manages the ship) had a high resolution 3D model of Discovery built. It's not particularly useful to me, as it is of the ship today (it was made by scanning the current ship), rather than as she was in 1901, and there have been a lot of changes (the masts moved, 5 yards/mast now vs. 4 in 1901, most of the deckhouses changed, etc.). Still, pretty cool, and really useful for anyone that wanted to build the Discovery of 2024. I don't know what they are doing about getting the maps, but you can see a video that they put together here: Regards, George

Hello all. I've been running around dealing with a bunch of things (including some work on RRS Discovery and have just recently gotten some time to work on the Kearsarge. I've opened out the gunports as can be seen in the photos below. For the large ones, I used a razor saw to cut the vertical slices and then clamped a metal straight edge to where the bottom cut needed to be, and opened it out with a reinforced cutting blade from my dremel, which worked well. The smaller gunports were done similarly, vertical edges defined by razor saw, and used the cutting wheel to open it out, but more or less treating it like an abrasive. Everything then squared up with sandpaper. I think, on the whole it went well. Ship as a whole (Discovery in the background) awaiting wood for the second planking. And two close ups. However, I could use some assistance from anyone who's built this before (or maybe @MrBlueJacket because I am confused at this point. There are two points of confusion. The simpler one first. The instructions say to put the gunport frames in, making sure that they are flush on the outside of the hull. As you can see from the upper and middle photo where I have one of the frames dry-fitted, the frame is wider than the bullwarks. My natural inclination would be to glue in place, sand the inside so that it is flush with the inner bulwark as well, gap fill with a bit of putty. However, the following sketch is provided for one of the next steps. In it we see the frame jutting into the ship over the bulwarks, trimmed (?) as shown. The instructions don't mention the trim, although they a later photo suggests that they do need to be trimmed down to the edge of the inner bulwarks. Any thoughts welcome. The more complicated question relates to this instruction in the booklet: "Remove the pivot gun (LK28C) and sally port (LK28D) hammock net ends from the carrier sheet. Remove 1/32" from the forward end of each pivot gun port cutout and glue a pivot gun hammock net end (LK28C) in place. Using the large gun port lid (LK64) as a guide trim the aft end of the cutout to its length plus 1/32". DRY FIT a pivot gun hammock net end to the aft end of the cutout and adjust as necessary until the large gun port lid fits tightly between the two ends, then glue them in place. Set the lid aside." "Remove 1/32" from both ends of the sally port openings and glue the sally port hammock net ends (LK28D) in place (PHOTO 10")" Okay, so here is the problem. There are 8 pieces labelled LK28C that look like the parts in photo 10 below. When I look at the plans, they say to use LK28D (which frankly doesn't make sense). Earlier, the instructions indicated that I needed to cut out the sally port openings in the same way as the gun ports, however, nothing on the plan is labelled as a sally port; the closet thing is the port by the accommodation ladder (PEK11 in the diagram). The entry is defined by two ends of the hammock nets marked with parts LK28E. I have no part LK28E, and the part list doesn't list it either. There are 8 part LKE28D (the sally port hammock net ends) but only 2 sally ports, and bottom of what I think are the sally ports is the top of the bulwark, so no need to cut anything out of the bulwarks. So. My interpretation of what I should do is: Make the small gun port frames flush on both the inside and outside of the bulwarks. Use the 8 LK28C parts to frame up the large, pivot gun ports, and prepare them for the hammock netting. Conclude that the marked LK28D parts on the plan is a misprint and use the LK28C parts as above. Use the LK28D parts for the two sally ports in place of the parts marked LK28E on the plans, and hold off doing anything for now, because they would just wind up sitting there. Anyways, thanks for looking in and the likes. I'd love folks opinion on the plan above. Regards, George

Looking great. I was wondering how to make the figurehead from the pieces and just gave up and made a new one. I also kind of cheated with the bobstay shackles. I drilled a hole in the brass that was mounted on the prow, used that to drill a matching hole in the wood, glued the brass strip in place, and then glued an eyebolt into the lines up holes in the bow and brass. It worked, but yours is more real. Regards, George

Sorry Keith. Both my father and in-laws are in their late '80s now, and they have relocated to a senior facility as well. I will say that there are better and worse versions of these places. My in laws chose one that my wife and I both think is, I don't know, less cheerful? Interesting? than the one my parents chose. And the place where the woman my father is seeing these days lives is better than either. I guess my point is this is a time to be choosey. Best wishes, George

Jared, Glad to see you back and working on the Fish! She's looking great! Regards, George