Telp

Many thanks. Good tip for ageing.... Rub some yoghurt into the copper, the bacteria will start the ageing process 👍👍

Hi all,
 
As many will know, they are now using the pink scheme on HMS Victory which made me wonder if all the ships connected to Nelson or the fleet at Trafalger were of the same scheme.
 
I decided to write to the restoration boss at Victory to pose the question and below is his reply which makes for interesting reading, especially if anyone has it in their mind to do a repaint of any model they have. I am hoping to try HMS Agamemnon at some point and am looking into the pink scheme for her, even though as you caan see from the mail, they have no information as such.
 
Regards
 
Terry
 
Terry,


 
Thanks for the email.


 
Unfortunately, there appears to have been fairly wide discrepancy across the fleet for how colours were mixed. Below is a table that gives details of the data I have for ships, aside from Victory, in the run up to Trafalgar.


 
Ship

Date

Purpose

Stores Consumed

Ratio Yellow:White

Temeraire
20/11/1805
Sundry work of the ship and boats
Paint, yellow, 80lbs
1:0
Thunderer
28/09/1805
Painting new work and mending ship’s sides and sundry parts
Yellow, 70lbs, white, 50lbs
7:5
Thunderer
01/10/1805
Painting the ship’s head and stern, quarter deck, poop and freshening the sides, painting the launch, fire buckets &c.
Paint, white, 80lbs, yellow 96lbs
5:4
Ajax
26/12/1805
Painting the boats and freshening the paint on the stern
Paint, white, 50lbs; yellow, 100lbs
2:1
Revenge
17/10/1805
To painting the ship’s topsides
Paint, white, 44lbs; yellow, 130lbs.
3:1
Revenge
01/06/1806
Repairing the paint on the ship’s sides
Paint, white 88lbs, yellow, 92lbs
1:1
Prince
28/09/1805
Painting the ship’s sides and weatherworks, and refreshing the paint in other places
Yellow, 200lbs
1:0

 
From the above table, it can be seen that the British ships at Trafalgar had sides painted with paint that was either pure yellow (Prince, Temeraire), used a mix of two or three parts yellow to one part white (Ajax and Revenge prior to the battle) or used a mixture that was (or was close to) equal parts yellow:white (Mars, Thunderer)


 
Unfortunately, I have not come acrioss any evidence for the specific manner in which HMS Agamemnon was painted.


 
I hope the above is of some interest, and apologise for being unable to offer greater assistance.


 
Kind regards,


 
Andrew

Hi all,
 
As many will know, they are now using the pink scheme on HMS Victory which made me wonder if all the ships connected to Nelson or the fleet at Trafalger were of the same scheme.
 
I decided to write to the restoration boss at Victory to pose the question and below is his reply which makes for interesting reading, especially if anyone has it in their mind to do a repaint of any model they have. I am hoping to try HMS Agamemnon at some point and am looking into the pink scheme for her, even though as you caan see from the mail, they have no information as such.
 
Regards
 
Terry
 
Terry,


 
Thanks for the email.


 
Unfortunately, there appears to have been fairly wide discrepancy across the fleet for how colours were mixed. Below is a table that gives details of the data I have for ships, aside from Victory, in the run up to Trafalgar.


 
Ship

Date

Purpose

Stores Consumed

Ratio Yellow:White

Temeraire
20/11/1805
Sundry work of the ship and boats
Paint, yellow, 80lbs
1:0
Thunderer
28/09/1805
Painting new work and mending ship’s sides and sundry parts
Yellow, 70lbs, white, 50lbs
7:5
Thunderer
01/10/1805
Painting the ship’s head and stern, quarter deck, poop and freshening the sides, painting the launch, fire buckets &c.
Paint, white, 80lbs, yellow 96lbs
5:4
Ajax
26/12/1805
Painting the boats and freshening the paint on the stern
Paint, white, 50lbs; yellow, 100lbs
2:1
Revenge
17/10/1805
To painting the ship’s topsides
Paint, white, 44lbs; yellow, 130lbs.
3:1
Revenge
01/06/1806
Repairing the paint on the ship’s sides
Paint, white 88lbs, yellow, 92lbs
1:1
Prince
28/09/1805
Painting the ship’s sides and weatherworks, and refreshing the paint in other places
Yellow, 200lbs
1:0

 
From the above table, it can be seen that the British ships at Trafalgar had sides painted with paint that was either pure yellow (Prince, Temeraire), used a mix of two or three parts yellow to one part white (Ajax and Revenge prior to the battle) or used a mixture that was (or was close to) equal parts yellow:white (Mars, Thunderer)


 
Unfortunately, I have not come acrioss any evidence for the specific manner in which HMS Agamemnon was painted.


 
I hope the above is of some interest, and apologise for being unable to offer greater assistance.


 
Kind regards,


 
Andrew

Hi all,
 
As many will know, they are now using the pink scheme on HMS Victory which made me wonder if all the ships connected to Nelson or the fleet at Trafalger were of the same scheme.
 
I decided to write to the restoration boss at Victory to pose the question and below is his reply which makes for interesting reading, especially if anyone has it in their mind to do a repaint of any model they have. I am hoping to try HMS Agamemnon at some point and am looking into the pink scheme for her, even though as you caan see from the mail, they have no information as such.
 
Regards
 
Terry
 
Terry,


 
Thanks for the email.


 
Unfortunately, there appears to have been fairly wide discrepancy across the fleet for how colours were mixed. Below is a table that gives details of the data I have for ships, aside from Victory, in the run up to Trafalgar.


 
Ship

Date

Purpose

Stores Consumed

Ratio Yellow:White

Temeraire
20/11/1805
Sundry work of the ship and boats
Paint, yellow, 80lbs
1:0
Thunderer
28/09/1805
Painting new work and mending ship’s sides and sundry parts
Yellow, 70lbs, white, 50lbs
7:5
Thunderer
01/10/1805
Painting the ship’s head and stern, quarter deck, poop and freshening the sides, painting the launch, fire buckets &c.
Paint, white, 80lbs, yellow 96lbs
5:4
Ajax
26/12/1805
Painting the boats and freshening the paint on the stern
Paint, white, 50lbs; yellow, 100lbs
2:1
Revenge
17/10/1805
To painting the ship’s topsides
Paint, white, 44lbs; yellow, 130lbs.
3:1
Revenge
01/06/1806
Repairing the paint on the ship’s sides
Paint, white 88lbs, yellow, 92lbs
1:1
Prince
28/09/1805
Painting the ship’s sides and weatherworks, and refreshing the paint in other places
Yellow, 200lbs
1:0

 
From the above table, it can be seen that the British ships at Trafalgar had sides painted with paint that was either pure yellow (Prince, Temeraire), used a mix of two or three parts yellow to one part white (Ajax and Revenge prior to the battle) or used a mixture that was (or was close to) equal parts yellow:white (Mars, Thunderer)


 
Unfortunately, I have not come acrioss any evidence for the specific manner in which HMS Agamemnon was painted.


 
I hope the above is of some interest, and apologise for being unable to offer greater assistance.


 
Kind regards,


 
Andrew

Hi all,
 
As many will know, they are now using the pink scheme on HMS Victory which made me wonder if all the ships connected to Nelson or the fleet at Trafalger were of the same scheme.
 
I decided to write to the restoration boss at Victory to pose the question and below is his reply which makes for interesting reading, especially if anyone has it in their mind to do a repaint of any model they have. I am hoping to try HMS Agamemnon at some point and am looking into the pink scheme for her, even though as you caan see from the mail, they have no information as such.
 
Regards
 
Terry
 
Terry,


 
Thanks for the email.


 
Unfortunately, there appears to have been fairly wide discrepancy across the fleet for how colours were mixed. Below is a table that gives details of the data I have for ships, aside from Victory, in the run up to Trafalgar.


 
Ship

Date

Purpose

Stores Consumed

Ratio Yellow:White

Temeraire
20/11/1805
Sundry work of the ship and boats
Paint, yellow, 80lbs
1:0
Thunderer
28/09/1805
Painting new work and mending ship’s sides and sundry parts
Yellow, 70lbs, white, 50lbs
7:5
Thunderer
01/10/1805
Painting the ship’s head and stern, quarter deck, poop and freshening the sides, painting the launch, fire buckets &c.
Paint, white, 80lbs, yellow 96lbs
5:4
Ajax
26/12/1805
Painting the boats and freshening the paint on the stern
Paint, white, 50lbs; yellow, 100lbs
2:1
Revenge
17/10/1805
To painting the ship’s topsides
Paint, white, 44lbs; yellow, 130lbs.
3:1
Revenge
01/06/1806
Repairing the paint on the ship’s sides
Paint, white 88lbs, yellow, 92lbs
1:1
Prince
28/09/1805
Painting the ship’s sides and weatherworks, and refreshing the paint in other places
Yellow, 200lbs
1:0

 
From the above table, it can be seen that the British ships at Trafalgar had sides painted with paint that was either pure yellow (Prince, Temeraire), used a mix of two or three parts yellow to one part white (Ajax and Revenge prior to the battle) or used a mixture that was (or was close to) equal parts yellow:white (Mars, Thunderer)


 
Unfortunately, I have not come acrioss any evidence for the specific manner in which HMS Agamemnon was painted.


 
I hope the above is of some interest, and apologise for being unable to offer greater assistance.


 
Kind regards,


 
Andrew

Hi all,
 
As many will know, they are now using the pink scheme on HMS Victory which made me wonder if all the ships connected to Nelson or the fleet at Trafalger were of the same scheme.
 
I decided to write to the restoration boss at Victory to pose the question and below is his reply which makes for interesting reading, especially if anyone has it in their mind to do a repaint of any model they have. I am hoping to try HMS Agamemnon at some point and am looking into the pink scheme for her, even though as you caan see from the mail, they have no information as such.
 
Regards
 
Terry
 
Terry,


 
Thanks for the email.


 
Unfortunately, there appears to have been fairly wide discrepancy across the fleet for how colours were mixed. Below is a table that gives details of the data I have for ships, aside from Victory, in the run up to Trafalgar.


 
Ship

Date

Purpose

Stores Consumed

Ratio Yellow:White

Temeraire
20/11/1805
Sundry work of the ship and boats
Paint, yellow, 80lbs
1:0
Thunderer
28/09/1805
Painting new work and mending ship’s sides and sundry parts
Yellow, 70lbs, white, 50lbs
7:5
Thunderer
01/10/1805
Painting the ship’s head and stern, quarter deck, poop and freshening the sides, painting the launch, fire buckets &c.
Paint, white, 80lbs, yellow 96lbs
5:4
Ajax
26/12/1805
Painting the boats and freshening the paint on the stern
Paint, white, 50lbs; yellow, 100lbs
2:1
Revenge
17/10/1805
To painting the ship’s topsides
Paint, white, 44lbs; yellow, 130lbs.
3:1
Revenge
01/06/1806
Repairing the paint on the ship’s sides
Paint, white 88lbs, yellow, 92lbs
1:1
Prince
28/09/1805
Painting the ship’s sides and weatherworks, and refreshing the paint in other places
Yellow, 200lbs
1:0

 
From the above table, it can be seen that the British ships at Trafalgar had sides painted with paint that was either pure yellow (Prince, Temeraire), used a mix of two or three parts yellow to one part white (Ajax and Revenge prior to the battle) or used a mixture that was (or was close to) equal parts yellow:white (Mars, Thunderer)


 
Unfortunately, I have not come acrioss any evidence for the specific manner in which HMS Agamemnon was painted.


 
I hope the above is of some interest, and apologise for being unable to offer greater assistance.


 
Kind regards,


 
Andrew

@Nils
Thank you
 
@Terry
Thank you Terry and yes, she just rests on the dolphins.
 
Hennie

She looks absolutely stunning Hennie, that sideboard she sits on really does make her stand out. Can I ask how the dolphin mounts are placed, does the aggy just rest on them or are they fixed to her?
 
kind regards
 
terry

I was wondering the same Jorgen, if Victory's colours were specialist to Victory herslf or the colour scheme was associated with the other 33 ships at Trafalger.
 
I want to have a go at HMS Agmemnon one day so I would be interested to know, I might send an email to the victory restoration team.
 
Just to say also... if anyone has the caldercraft HM Brig Supply model, have a look at the colour of the box around the edges, it is actually very much like the colour they are now repainting victory with.

I was wondering the same Jorgen, if Victory's colours were specialist to Victory herslf or the colour scheme was associated with the other 33 ships at Trafalger.
 
I want to have a go at HMS Agmemnon one day so I would be interested to know, I might send an email to the victory restoration team.
 
Just to say also... if anyone has the caldercraft HM Brig Supply model, have a look at the colour of the box around the edges, it is actually very much like the colour they are now repainting victory with.

Red lead itself was not as brilliant as the final finish, it was used as a part of the original finish as normally it is a dull colour mainly used in its own right as a primer of metal. Of course lead in paints is now as such banned in the UK so i'd be interested to know what they have used as a substitute. The linseed oil gave the gloss sheen but that is a great red for sure. Nice video, and when I get round to building my Victory I will certainly use the new colours.

Log of Victory, May 3, 1805:
 
"Dismissed ye carpenter, Jonathan Grey, who had, before having been discovered by the doctor to be completely colour-blind, ordered the ship's sides painted a light pink while the Capt. was away. He had thought it was instead the normal tan-ochre. We cruise against the French tonight without chance of repainting. Landsman Grey sentenced to receive 50 lashes."

I was wondering the same Jorgen, if Victory's colours were specialist to Victory herslf or the colour scheme was associated with the other 33 ships at Trafalger.
 
I want to have a go at HMS Agmemnon one day so I would be interested to know, I might send an email to the victory restoration team.
 
Just to say also... if anyone has the caldercraft HM Brig Supply model, have a look at the colour of the box around the edges, it is actually very much like the colour they are now repainting victory with.

Have you seen this small documentary on HMS Victory's Trafalgar colour scheme?  Anyone planning to repaint? I do love it when the experts suddenly find new info on all things ship wise and we modellers have to decide whether to change our build for realism.
Good luck to anyone deciding to repaint. For new Victory modellers you have the opportunity to paint her as she looked at Trafalgar.
 
 

Does these new colours aply to other English ships at that era or only victory?
 

Red lead itself was not as brilliant as the final finish, it was used as a part of the original finish as normally it is a dull colour mainly used in its own right as a primer of metal. Of course lead in paints is now as such banned in the UK so i'd be interested to know what they have used as a substitute. The linseed oil gave the gloss sheen but that is a great red for sure. Nice video, and when I get round to building my Victory I will certainly use the new colours.

Hi Telp,
I was in the US Navy when they still used red lead primers and I agree with you. They were a dull red color similar to Red Ochre. Certainly they were not the eye-popping red on the video. RE: Ochre Pigments: they can go from black to red to brown to yellow. They are all  oxides of iron. The color is made by changing the oxygen level in a furnace as well as the moisture content.

Red lead itself was not as brilliant as the final finish, it was used as a part of the original finish as normally it is a dull colour mainly used in its own right as a primer of metal. Of course lead in paints is now as such banned in the UK so i'd be interested to know what they have used as a substitute. The linseed oil gave the gloss sheen but that is a great red for sure. Nice video, and when I get round to building my Victory I will certainly use the new colours.

Red lead itself was not as brilliant as the final finish, it was used as a part of the original finish as normally it is a dull colour mainly used in its own right as a primer of metal. Of course lead in paints is now as such banned in the UK so i'd be interested to know what they have used as a substitute. The linseed oil gave the gloss sheen but that is a great red for sure. Nice video, and when I get round to building my Victory I will certainly use the new colours.

Red lead itself was not as brilliant as the final finish, it was used as a part of the original finish as normally it is a dull colour mainly used in its own right as a primer of metal. Of course lead in paints is now as such banned in the UK so i'd be interested to know what they have used as a substitute. The linseed oil gave the gloss sheen but that is a great red for sure. Nice video, and when I get round to building my Victory I will certainly use the new colours.

Red lead itself was not as brilliant as the final finish, it was used as a part of the original finish as normally it is a dull colour mainly used in its own right as a primer of metal. Of course lead in paints is now as such banned in the UK so i'd be interested to know what they have used as a substitute. The linseed oil gave the gloss sheen but that is a great red for sure. Nice video, and when I get round to building my Victory I will certainly use the new colours.

It looks like there will be a cascade of problems associated with that 1 mm. Mantua got the money and I got the replace parts for the framing in 4 days. Great service! Assembled all the framing, counters, bow filler blocks, and cut the rabbet. I have misplaced my ebony stern post. Hopefully it will show up or I will make another out of boxwood.
 
When I was cutting the bow filler blocks, the top view as taken from AOS was wider than the first bulkhead. This caused me to scratch my head and what the h***. I then copied the entire forward portion of the main deck and lay it across the ship from the bow to mid ship. Surprisingly, it was at least an inch wider than the Mantua hull framing. It looks like Mantua took some liberties the the kit design. The entire ship's beam is at least 1 inch narrower the the AOS drawings. She is still a monster.
 
Terry- I was following Bob's practicum with my homemade framing parts. This is not an easy build, but, Bob's practicum is so detailed that you almost can't go wrong if you read the section once, and then read it again. If you do purchase the practicum, and I highly recommend it, there are a couple of errata that I can fill in for you. Not having the correct dimensional material and my lack of skills all added to the continuation of the problems. The biggest was that almost all the gun ports had to be cut into the bulkheads. This was not a task I was willing to try. And, it would have seriously degraded the structural integrity of the hull.
 
Photos will follow soon
 
Regards

Hi Terry,

If you are going to install LED’s you have to do some homework before.  If you are going to install just a few LED’ say three lights is one thing but if you are going to install a substantial amount of LED’s, like I am doing about 75 LED’s is another story.  If you use a 9V battery you are limited to just  4 LED’s connected in series.  Another problem if you connect them in series is that if one LED fails all the others in the circuit will fail, and don’t forget that most probably the LED’s will be installed somewhere where you cannot reach to replace.
 


With a parallel connection you can install as many LED’s as you like but you can never run them from a 9 volt battery as it only produces 400-500 milliampere-hour.  Normally an LED has a forward voltage of 2.2volts with a rated current of 20 mA,  75 LED's x 20 = 1,500 milliamps (1.5 amps).  So the supply has to be able to at least produce 1.5amps.
 


In my case I am using a 12 volt, 4.2amp transformer which I already had.  This is more than enough.  A 12 volt, 2 amp transformer would have done the job as well. With a parallel circuit you are going to have twelve volts on each LED which will burn it out immediately as too much current will flow in it. So with every LED you have to connect in series a resistor to lower the voltage supply to the LED to 2.2volts and the current flowing through it to more or less 20 milliamps.  Another advantage in connecting in parallel is that if one LED fails it will not affect the others at all, the rest will remain lit.
 
I am not much of a teacher, there is a very good explanation in this forum itself and also explains how to calculate the value of the resistors required.



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Ship Modeling Database of articles/

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LED Lighting for Model Ships
 


 
 
 
Steve,
Thank you for your comment.

Just spotted this build E.J, looking glorious indeed so I think I shall pull up a plank to sit on and watch if I may. Would love to know how you wire up lights ect as its something I'd like to attempt but I don't have the technical know how.
 
regards
 
Terry

Just spotted this build E.J, looking glorious indeed so I think I shall pull up a plank to sit on and watch if I may. Would love to know how you wire up lights ect as its something I'd like to attempt but I don't have the technical know how.
 
regards
 
Terry