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Tom..they look amazing and are slightly lighter in hue then the shrouds themselves......giving the impression they are tarred with a thinner product. Wonderfully done... Rob
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I stained an entire model once do to the improper lightening of nylon line...staining works and it gives you control of the color you are seeking. Good luck and great model. Rob
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Hi Tom...This subject has become a thorn to some and I do not mention it to make it so for you. I posted a picture of the new Connie re-rig (and they used black rope for the lanyards) in Ed Tosci's Young America Log. And from all that I have gathered over my 40 years of building ship models..my research tells me that the lanyard though it is used to cinch up the shrouds and backstays it is more standing rigging then running. Some modelers think of the lanyard as running rigging such as a line through a block for sail control and thus rig them with running rigging. They are more then that...but an adjustable part of the standing rigging...which was tarred(In many fashions and with many concoctions). Tarring a lanyard does not prevent it from being tightened as in the fashion that was common place at the time with block and tackle(Drawing are present in Ed's log. Hemp running rigging turned grey.....now apply staining tar and it becomes even darker....even black. I'm shure the tar or treatment was not gobbed on, but painted on with respect to the notion the shrouds and backstays will at some point need tightening. Deadeyes are NOT pulley's...they are a simple locking means to cinch or tighten opposing line/structures. Then they are seized together to prevent twisting and movement. One last note.....if the riggers of the Connie thought through deduction and historical application that the Connie re-rig lanyards had to be black..don't you think they did so informed? Your Connie is magnificent.....thanks for posting her. Rob
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Indeed...The comparison was not the material but the habit of securing the lanyards. From what I gather, as I have stated..periodic adjustments were necessary. You make the point that evenly placed deadeyes as seen on models was probably not the case in reality....since shroud and backstay shrinking was expected....thus an uneven arrangement of deadeyes. Rob
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I have to find in my researched paperwork where I read that sailors who were given the job of tarring the rigging(called tar monkey's) would tar the shrouds and their lanyards...then wipe their hands on the cuffs of their uniforms. I gotta dig that up. In like manner the lanyards were seized off when the shrouds were taught...giving the fixture a fixed or standing configuration...when in this *fixed* state the lanyards would then be *tarred* for weathering because rot would occur easily if nothing was done for protection. (*Tarred* is a generic term for whatever they used to preserve) It is assumed(falsely IMO) the lanyards acted more like a block and tackle...moving with great frequency hauling the shrouds and backstays in and out as would be expected with a sail, causing modelers to use running rigging rope.....when in fact the deadeye and lanyard was the principal means to cinch and tighten the shrouds and backstays..securing the masts firmly(Like guy wires). Well once done, unless tragedy struck(a fractured or sprung mast), the system was permanent and maintained that way. This fact is evident in the larger Down Easters or windjammers made of iron. Their turnbuckle secured cable shrouds were painted over or otherwise permanently protected from weather without regard for continual adjustment. (Periodic, yes, but continual..no) There is much to be said on the subject and with that much personal referenced opinion as well. All in all, the modelers eye on aesthetics leads them in one direction or the other. Rob
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Thanks Ed...yes I read that reference on sheer poles myself. I have a reference somewhere else that makes additional mentioning of sheer poles for shroud twisting and distancing control/prevention. I'll have to find the reference for tarring the lanyards. Superb work. Rob
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Ed...here is an image of re-rigging the Connie...note: the tackle cinching up the lanyard(as you mention earlier). One thing I want to point out is why so many folks model lanyards with tan line....Yes it was considered running rigging in a sense but it was also standing and needed weather treatment. I have read where it was coated(as all standing rigging was ) in a thinned tar for protection. They are replicating that here on the new Connie rigging......so then why not replicate the same practice on modeling the same? Just wondering. Rob(Avid follower)
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Interesting read. I gather from all this that in practice a left or right handed twisted shroud coupled with in in or out layed rope with left or right drawn lanyards could cause the shroud entire to twist..making the lanyards roll back over themselves...in essence twisting the entire arrangement. I've seen it happen on models...so it is not unreasonable to imagine it happening in practice. Acute observations. Rob
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Are you saying your grating is an incorrect representation? I would think you would want ventilation from the space below and if the grating was not present the air from below would be trapped under the awning. Just a guess though. Rob
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And I completely agree with Jack who whole heartedly agrees with Allen. Rob
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Wonderful work as usual Ed. I don't know, it must be me,(This is NOT a criticism), but I never use a jig to hold the deadeyes or use wire to establish equal distance for my lanyards. I simply eyeball them...and I'm pretty darn close every time. I'm also guessing they(riggers) never used a jig on the real ships...and I'm also confident, keeping the deadeyes precisely the same height wasn't a major esthetic requirement. The seizing was used for synching up the tension of the shroud and they all stretched at different rates. Irregularities were expected if not common....slight irregularities make the rigging more real-world credible...IMHO On the other hand........a symmetrically rigged ship..is a smart ship. Not to mention it probably makes for a simpler install for some. Sorry for the rant. Impeccable build. Rob
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Canvas covers a world of details one can avoid messing with....plus the boats were probably canvassed to protect interior supplies and gear. Can't wait. Rob
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Fantastic metal working Keith....I really appreciate that kind of attention to detail...and you do it so effortlessly. Rob
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Good night nurse! Magnificent work and splendid craftsmanship. Your technique is outstanding and you have perfected your method, evidenced by your clean work. I applaud you. Rob
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Patrick....will you be modeling the lobster tail dinner served on the main dinning table? And glasses full of wine? Rob(Do you wear magnifying glasses when you work?)
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Nils..have you decided on the manner you will attack the boats and davits? Vacuum-form or plug? Rob
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First liner to sport 4 funnels...and you made her come to life....luv it. Rob
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