rwiederrich
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Not to beat a dead horse...but in further research I found some more very rare images that might be of aid. As you well know both Webb and McKay learned under the skilled hand of Webb the elder....and it isn't too much of a stretch to imagine similar techniques may have developed for both builders. My own research has produced un-contestable evidence that McKay used internal wood diagonal cross bracing. This evidence may only suggest he did so on all of his clippers...but is not quantitative. Here is several images...one of a copy of a drawing my the builder of the cross section of the Glory of the Seas...note to the left the diagonal truss additions......and in the second image of between decks on the Glory when she was being refitted as a fish packing ship...the clear diagonal wooden braces between ribs and knees. He also used iron banding to reinforce knees, overheads and central support knees. I thought it might add some more evidence that wooden internal diagonal structures were in use up to the close of the clipper era in American vessels.
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I rigged the jackstays on the foremast yards and today I will rig them with their flemish horses, stirrups and foot ropes and blocks. Rob
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Really good question.......However, Most ships that were varnished then ended up gettingpainted anyway...it protected better and was typically the product on hand when refinish was necessary. So I paint...since exposed wood was rarely seen on open water vessels.. Your example is very nice and a good modeling answer would be good. Good luck and good model. Rob
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Cutty Sark by NenadM
rwiederrich replied to NenadM's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
Great recovery Nenad......super job making the corrections. Rob -
Just a picture showing her at pier.......
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Thanks guys....I'm not as attentive as most and surely not as skilled........I tend to build ships that have spent time in the weather..and at the hand of working men. As soon as my Ferreira build is finished...I'll surely get back to the Glory. Rob
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Some closeup of the gunnel and deadeyes...
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Right..thanks. I need to get to work on this ship and really try to finish it....so I can get back to the Glory of the Seas and the Donald McKay. I just had my daughters wedding so things are getting back to normal around here. Rob
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I know right..Elia. McKay built gang ways.....and his ship Donald McKay has only one gangway.....that is my next build. Great work........ Rob
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Thanks Wayne...further study revealed that Carl Cutler's book *Greyhounds of the Sea* contains that very information...not to mention the building/final outcome data on hundreds of clippers. Again..thanks. Rob
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Ed do you know who build the Golden State..was that Webb or a California builder? There wasn't too many of them if I'm not mistaken(which it appears I am frequently) Rob
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I see. Yes many clippers were altered by their new owners...sometimes quite quickly upon receipt. I 'm in awe of your acute detail and goal of perfection. I do not retain such a burden. My humble builds are modeled upon my perceptions (through photographic evidence) of a more weathered *Used* modeled representation. My build of the Glory of the Seas lent itself to ample license.....since she had undergone an extensive remodel around 1872. Enough babble. I understand your position....and am duly impressed. I'll not inflict myself upon you any further. Rob
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Beautiful rigging..one question, why do you use a jig to set and seize your shrouds? They are never perfectly aligned..not intended to be so...especially when you needed to tighten a loose shroud...after extremely high winds. Also..I never understood builders who use tan running rigging for deadeye seizing.....natural rope tuned dark grey and almost black due to extreme weather exposure. I naturally weather all my models.....no sucha thing as a non weathered (REAL) ship. IMV Thanks..... Rob
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Fantastic.....just fantastic. I love rigging.
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Ed....I posted the CS image to demonstrate it too had lattice cross members....comparing it to wooden American clippers was not my goal....Thanks for the clarification. I'll stop throwing out bones......It appears I don't know what the h3ll I'm talking about. I'll quietly watch. Rob
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I know ships take on different looks and paint schemes under different captains. Being a commercial vessel the Morgan underwent many retrofits and modifications not to mention paint schemes. When I build a vessel I tend to attempt to build her as she was originally constructed based upon the builders design...or the owners design/preferences. The Morgan underwent plenty of major refits and mods to include her aft house. My photo collection are from her 1870's refit and overhaul. Like with most Cutty Sark models that include the Poop house aft entrance and her round roof entrance over her fore hatch. These are not original configurations and are for public access. Same with the Morgan. Your build is very good and I'd keep the direction, you're on, if that is your direction. I included the image to show the difference...irregardless of what your current data suggests. I also noticed you built her without her added galley windows. Keep up the great build...I'll be looking in. Rob
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Great build......The rotating tiller wheel looks good...the tiller box looks good...but my 1870's image shows the interior spaces were white. Still..looks accurate..and cleanly done. Very good.
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With this being the Cutty Sark and a much later version then the YA or any East coast Clipper.....I can assume from the Lloyds requirements...their rules applied to her as far as having external cross lattice iron banding. She had Iron frames...but you can see if the banding was on the outside..how the siding would need to be Cut to accommodate them. Just for information's sake. Rob
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The radio and control gear is all hidden within I assume...do you water near by? Rob
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Nice work.
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Michael....outstanding work. Do you have a plan for the finished model? A spot....a mantle...a museum? Rob
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I believe even Campbell's book suggests wooden cross lattice was utilized as internal bracing on occasions. From what I gathered from my own study..the thinner iron was cut into the framing on external applications and larger wooden bracing could be used internally as was typical with some large first and second rate ships of previous centuries. But.....Clipper design is so varied and not any two ships were designed exactly the same..because the evolution was rapid...so Internal strapping may have been limited in of itself...and since records available to deny or confirm are lost to history...any good educated guess would probably not find too much opposition among those who have even a clue......not to mention those who do not. Great build log Ed...it, along with the build has become a class room in design as well. Rob
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Looks good to me...Internal lattice was typically wood if I'm not mistaken. Good choice...since that is depicted in many line drawings of many ships. Rob
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