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hollowneck reacted to BenD in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
That Red Alder looks really good. Even tone along the planks. I'd use it.
The Tanganyika I had in my HMS snake kit was awful and I bought replacement Tanganyika and it was just as bad...
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hollowneck reacted to James H in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Most of the stuff I know about ship constructions comes from Chris.
He tells me what I need to do, and I have to ask what he means! That's how I'm learning! I now know a hanging knee from a lodging knee, from a carling etc. It' an education, I tell ya 😬🤓
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hollowneck reacted to glbarlow in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
It’s ok because I don’t know a lodging from a knee from a carling, it’s. Amazing I can build a model at all 😂🤣
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hollowneck reacted to chris watton in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
I will show you the problems I can have with maple veneer. This is a picture of a few examples of a whole batch I had to return. However, all of my supplier current stock is like this, which is absolutely no good to me. But as always with natural products, this is something I sometimes have to contend with.
For Indy, I have attached a pic of the sample deck planking I received. It is called Red Alder. It is slightly darker than lime and consistent in colour/tone and grain fairly tight, which is important for deck planking - needs to be quite plain. I did contemplate Tanganyika, but realised that some batches are great, and some are God awful, so didn't really want to risk that. Same goes for maple strip, some batches could like like that scrap you see in the maple veneer pic.
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hollowneck reacted to Blue Ensign in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Slip of the tongue Allan, I meant of course the lodging knees.
B.E.
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hollowneck reacted to glbarlow in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Makes perfect sense for a model this size and caliber.
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hollowneck reacted to chris watton in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Cheers I had originally intended for the larger models to be not so parts heavy as Sphinx, more like the Amati Victory design, but I think scale deck beams are a step forward and, as the deck beams have absolutely no relation to the hull framing spacing, or kit bulkhead spacing, I could not go back to that relatively archaic method, not when a simple beam ledge pattern can in integrated in with the bulkheads to take the beams, making the beams perfectly aligned and spaced with the minimum of fuss.
So I have already gone right past my original remit for this kit, but I do believe it's for the better. After Sphinx, anything less for even larger and more expensive kits would seem regressive.
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hollowneck got a reaction from Stephen schultz in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Thanks for showing us your progress, Chris; looking good.
I, for one, would like the OPTION of ordering fully lasered decks WITHOUT the "tabbed slots." In building my Sphinx I opted to not build her as a "Navy Board reveal model" and at present I'm in her mid-rigging stages. As you likely know, I detailed this decision in my current Build Log, and with regard to using the "slotted" decking, I've detailed the decisions and solutions I had to make to include the preferred, fully-lasered etched decks. My decision turned out to be acceptable to me, but not ideal as the "slot lines" for the cutouts still vaguely appear on close look.
I understand there will be many modelers who will want to build this model without the considerable overhead of masting/rigging - this could possibly be the majority I acknowledge. The accurate and detailed "etched" decks of Vanguard Models are a superb feature and I would always prefer to mount these as FULL DECKS (no planking required, in other words). I plan to continue building your models as fully-represented ships with masts and all the appropriate rigging; I would hope there are modeler's here who share this preference.
Perhaps you could possibly "poll" here in your thread, see if offering a full-lasered decks option would be of interest to others. This would be Indy-specific, but could also apply to future Sphinx builds.
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hollowneck got a reaction from mtaylor in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Ah-Ha! Thanks for the detailed explanations, Chris.
I didn't realize I was looking at a "sub-deck;" you were clear about these being "planked over." My error. I better understand the economics factor with the large size of this model and the issue with the "scrap" resulting from blemishes, coloration, etc. I don't mind planking decks - and I'll simply plank over the tabbed cutouts - but I have to admit I've gotten used to the efficiency, high-quality and detail afforded by the lasered decks of your most recent models - as well as some from your past (specifically the Russian brig Mercury, and if I recall correctly, the Revenge).
The laser-etching on the sub decks will be immensely helpful as decent templates for more accurate margin planking, nibbling and straightforward butt planking. I'll assume the deck strips will be supplied from a good quality, tightly grained stock.
You're making fast progress on your design. Thanks again for sharing it.
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hollowneck got a reaction from rusty b in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Thanks for showing us your progress, Chris; looking good.
I, for one, would like the OPTION of ordering fully lasered decks WITHOUT the "tabbed slots." In building my Sphinx I opted to not build her as a "Navy Board reveal model" and at present I'm in her mid-rigging stages. As you likely know, I detailed this decision in my current Build Log, and with regard to using the "slotted" decking, I've detailed the decisions and solutions I had to make to include the preferred, fully-lasered etched decks. My decision turned out to be acceptable to me, but not ideal as the "slot lines" for the cutouts still vaguely appear on close look.
I understand there will be many modelers who will want to build this model without the considerable overhead of masting/rigging - this could possibly be the majority I acknowledge. The accurate and detailed "etched" decks of Vanguard Models are a superb feature and I would always prefer to mount these as FULL DECKS (no planking required, in other words). I plan to continue building your models as fully-represented ships with masts and all the appropriate rigging; I would hope there are modeler's here who share this preference.
Perhaps you could possibly "poll" here in your thread, see if offering a full-lasered decks option would be of interest to others. This would be Indy-specific, but could also apply to future Sphinx builds.
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hollowneck got a reaction from thibaultron in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Ah-Ha! Thanks for the detailed explanations, Chris.
I didn't realize I was looking at a "sub-deck;" you were clear about these being "planked over." My error. I better understand the economics factor with the large size of this model and the issue with the "scrap" resulting from blemishes, coloration, etc. I don't mind planking decks - and I'll simply plank over the tabbed cutouts - but I have to admit I've gotten used to the efficiency, high-quality and detail afforded by the lasered decks of your most recent models - as well as some from your past (specifically the Russian brig Mercury, and if I recall correctly, the Revenge).
The laser-etching on the sub decks will be immensely helpful as decent templates for more accurate margin planking, nibbling and straightforward butt planking. I'll assume the deck strips will be supplied from a good quality, tightly grained stock.
You're making fast progress on your design. Thanks again for sharing it.
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hollowneck got a reaction from JeffT in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Thanks for showing us your progress, Chris; looking good.
I, for one, would like the OPTION of ordering fully lasered decks WITHOUT the "tabbed slots." In building my Sphinx I opted to not build her as a "Navy Board reveal model" and at present I'm in her mid-rigging stages. As you likely know, I detailed this decision in my current Build Log, and with regard to using the "slotted" decking, I've detailed the decisions and solutions I had to make to include the preferred, fully-lasered etched decks. My decision turned out to be acceptable to me, but not ideal as the "slot lines" for the cutouts still vaguely appear on close look.
I understand there will be many modelers who will want to build this model without the considerable overhead of masting/rigging - this could possibly be the majority I acknowledge. The accurate and detailed "etched" decks of Vanguard Models are a superb feature and I would always prefer to mount these as FULL DECKS (no planking required, in other words). I plan to continue building your models as fully-represented ships with masts and all the appropriate rigging; I would hope there are modeler's here who share this preference.
Perhaps you could possibly "poll" here in your thread, see if offering a full-lasered decks option would be of interest to others. This would be Indy-specific, but could also apply to future Sphinx builds.
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hollowneck got a reaction from thibaultron in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Thanks for showing us your progress, Chris; looking good.
I, for one, would like the OPTION of ordering fully lasered decks WITHOUT the "tabbed slots." In building my Sphinx I opted to not build her as a "Navy Board reveal model" and at present I'm in her mid-rigging stages. As you likely know, I detailed this decision in my current Build Log, and with regard to using the "slotted" decking, I've detailed the decisions and solutions I had to make to include the preferred, fully-lasered etched decks. My decision turned out to be acceptable to me, but not ideal as the "slot lines" for the cutouts still vaguely appear on close look.
I understand there will be many modelers who will want to build this model without the considerable overhead of masting/rigging - this could possibly be the majority I acknowledge. The accurate and detailed "etched" decks of Vanguard Models are a superb feature and I would always prefer to mount these as FULL DECKS (no planking required, in other words). I plan to continue building your models as fully-represented ships with masts and all the appropriate rigging; I would hope there are modeler's here who share this preference.
Perhaps you could possibly "poll" here in your thread, see if offering a full-lasered decks option would be of interest to others. This would be Indy-specific, but could also apply to future Sphinx builds.
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hollowneck got a reaction from Ryland Craze in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Thanks for showing us your progress, Chris; looking good.
I, for one, would like the OPTION of ordering fully lasered decks WITHOUT the "tabbed slots." In building my Sphinx I opted to not build her as a "Navy Board reveal model" and at present I'm in her mid-rigging stages. As you likely know, I detailed this decision in my current Build Log, and with regard to using the "slotted" decking, I've detailed the decisions and solutions I had to make to include the preferred, fully-lasered etched decks. My decision turned out to be acceptable to me, but not ideal as the "slot lines" for the cutouts still vaguely appear on close look.
I understand there will be many modelers who will want to build this model without the considerable overhead of masting/rigging - this could possibly be the majority I acknowledge. The accurate and detailed "etched" decks of Vanguard Models are a superb feature and I would always prefer to mount these as FULL DECKS (no planking required, in other words). I plan to continue building your models as fully-represented ships with masts and all the appropriate rigging; I would hope there are modeler's here who share this preference.
Perhaps you could possibly "poll" here in your thread, see if offering a full-lasered decks option would be of interest to others. This would be Indy-specific, but could also apply to future Sphinx builds.
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hollowneck got a reaction from chris watton in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Ah-Ha! Thanks for the detailed explanations, Chris.
I didn't realize I was looking at a "sub-deck;" you were clear about these being "planked over." My error. I better understand the economics factor with the large size of this model and the issue with the "scrap" resulting from blemishes, coloration, etc. I don't mind planking decks - and I'll simply plank over the tabbed cutouts - but I have to admit I've gotten used to the efficiency, high-quality and detail afforded by the lasered decks of your most recent models - as well as some from your past (specifically the Russian brig Mercury, and if I recall correctly, the Revenge).
The laser-etching on the sub decks will be immensely helpful as decent templates for more accurate margin planking, nibbling and straightforward butt planking. I'll assume the deck strips will be supplied from a good quality, tightly grained stock.
You're making fast progress on your design. Thanks again for sharing it.
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hollowneck got a reaction from Rustyj in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Thanks for showing us your progress, Chris; looking good.
I, for one, would like the OPTION of ordering fully lasered decks WITHOUT the "tabbed slots." In building my Sphinx I opted to not build her as a "Navy Board reveal model" and at present I'm in her mid-rigging stages. As you likely know, I detailed this decision in my current Build Log, and with regard to using the "slotted" decking, I've detailed the decisions and solutions I had to make to include the preferred, fully-lasered etched decks. My decision turned out to be acceptable to me, but not ideal as the "slot lines" for the cutouts still vaguely appear on close look.
I understand there will be many modelers who will want to build this model without the considerable overhead of masting/rigging - this could possibly be the majority I acknowledge. The accurate and detailed "etched" decks of Vanguard Models are a superb feature and I would always prefer to mount these as FULL DECKS (no planking required, in other words). I plan to continue building your models as fully-represented ships with masts and all the appropriate rigging; I would hope there are modeler's here who share this preference.
Perhaps you could possibly "poll" here in your thread, see if offering a full-lasered decks option would be of interest to others. This would be Indy-specific, but could also apply to future Sphinx builds.
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hollowneck got a reaction from chris watton in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Thanks for showing us your progress, Chris; looking good.
I, for one, would like the OPTION of ordering fully lasered decks WITHOUT the "tabbed slots." In building my Sphinx I opted to not build her as a "Navy Board reveal model" and at present I'm in her mid-rigging stages. As you likely know, I detailed this decision in my current Build Log, and with regard to using the "slotted" decking, I've detailed the decisions and solutions I had to make to include the preferred, fully-lasered etched decks. My decision turned out to be acceptable to me, but not ideal as the "slot lines" for the cutouts still vaguely appear on close look.
I understand there will be many modelers who will want to build this model without the considerable overhead of masting/rigging - this could possibly be the majority I acknowledge. The accurate and detailed "etched" decks of Vanguard Models are a superb feature and I would always prefer to mount these as FULL DECKS (no planking required, in other words). I plan to continue building your models as fully-represented ships with masts and all the appropriate rigging; I would hope there are modeler's here who share this preference.
Perhaps you could possibly "poll" here in your thread, see if offering a full-lasered decks option would be of interest to others. This would be Indy-specific, but could also apply to future Sphinx builds.
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hollowneck reacted to chris watton in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Don't forget that there's quite a few cannon to be added to the quarterdeck (14) and forecastle (6), and they aren't small, so the openings have been made to take that into account
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hollowneck reacted to chris watton in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Although they will be completely hidden!
Cannon carriages - These will be the same as I did for Victory. The front axles will have a tab which will locate into a slot on the gun deck. The barrels are added after. I didn't want to do this, and avoided this method, hoping to think up a solution. However, unlike Sphinx, this has some pretty heavy duty beams and a much wider gangway with boat beams under the gangway, not on top. The only real solution was to add the carriages and then barrels later, so no cap squares. The 12 pounder long chasers on the forecastle will have integrated cap squares, however, and the 18 x 42 pounder carronades have none anyway..
ETA - The kit will come with 1.5x6mm limewood for first planking, I used 1x5, so I could more easily check the overall run of the planking, all is fine...
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hollowneck reacted to Blue Ensign in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
'Although they will be completely hidden! '
Not on my build they wouldn't 😉
Sounds like the best approach with those below deck guns.👍
B.E.
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hollowneck reacted to Blue Ensign in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Looking impressive Chris, I'm pleased to see you have included the ledges with the deck beams, nice touch. 👍
Are the gun carriages the same style as Sphinx with the built in cap squares? I like the system but it does prevent pre drilling the carriages and decks to take securing pins.
Just thinking of ways to secure the numerous guns below decks. Those lower deck guns will be in position fairly early on in the build, with a lot of handling of the hull to follow with the inherent risk of dislodgement.
Regards,
B.E.
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hollowneck reacted to chris watton in Chris Watton and Vanguard Models news and updates
Just a little update on Indefatigable. Development going well, still tons to do, but the pre prototype (test bed) model is starting to take shape with final parts (and some not so final parts)..
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hollowneck reacted to FrankWouts in HMS Winchelsea 1764 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
Beautiful work Glenn, you're a plank master indeed!
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hollowneck reacted to glbarlow in HMS Winchelsea 1764 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
Thanks Frank, but no more than you and the many Winnie builders.
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hollowneck reacted to Theodosius in HMS Winchelsea 1764 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
Phantastic work!
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