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Vladimir, either you'll tire of my observations or continue to appreciate them. Your Wheelhouse roof needs to extend 2-3' scale feet in front for sheltering overhang and twin corner brackets to mount underneath. Beautiful job on the skylight however. -
Vladimir, two observations: (1st) and perhaps most jarring to me at least, is that the word "Boston" is slightly misaligned. In previous pictures, it sat perfectly parallel to the molding below. Since it's so golden & beautiful, being crooked like it is now only draws the wrong type of attention to it and detracts from the overall lovely impression. (2nd) very nice job on the Wheelhouse. The recessed areas would have been painted "pearl." Incidentally we do have an example of that shade. In his massive oil of the "Flying Fish" James Buttersworth illustrates her pearl Bulwarks. It's a lovely very light off white shade of beige.
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Vladimir, thanks for the compliment on my Wheelhouse efforts, it's greatly appreciated. On another topic. I found a reference to the Sailors' lodging being in the Bow of the ship, below deck under the forecastle. Ironically I rediscovered it while trying to get more details for George K's "Flying Fish" build. This is directly from Duncan MacLean's "Boston Daily Atlas" November 4, 1851. "She has a top gallant forecastle the height of the main rail [which was 4 & 1/2'], and in the wings are companions, which lead to the sailors' quarters below; and before the companions are water closets, and along the sides lockers, etc. The accommodations for the crew occupy the angle of the bow, are lofty, well lighted, and ventilated." Now I don't know about you but to me a height of 4 & 1/2 feet isn't lofty, not even in the 1850s! So, unless the crew of the "Flying Fish" were all midgets, which is total nonsense, their lodgings were downstairs, probably 3 feet, so that their lodgings would be 7 & 1/2 feet high. In a similar way, the same slight drop in "GLORY of the SEAS" would have resulted in 8 foot high barracks under the Forecastle.
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Vladimir, apologies for the poor quality of this photo. My phone is low on memory which makes it harder to edit raw pics. Anyhow, here's the best view I can get of the rear Wheelhouse sketch.
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Rob, you're most sincerely welcome, it's my pleasure and a way to express my gratitude for establishing this group and getting me the introduction to my favorite Glory author, Michael Mjelde. On the other topic, while he's mentioned doing an updated article in Nautical Research Journal he didn't say anything about including my work in his latest book. Although I did send double prints to him, so that he could forward copies to Ron Haug, his friend "Downunder." However, If you'd like to put in a good word for me, it would be greatly appreciafed.
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Vladimir, I copied your address exactly as it was sent to me. Now I will worry that it was sent to a wrong address? Just let me know when it arrives, please.
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Vladimir, to paraphrase the famous quote, the prints are in the mail. By now Rob should have gotten his. Delay was due to a "Goldilocks challenge". Seems like I just couldn't get the darkness just right. Due to limitations in copies, I couldn't get Rob all 3 prints, so I sent the 2 darker ones. In your case Vlad, I sent all 3. Since I'm not charging Rob for his shipping, it wouldn't be fair to charge you, just because you live in Serbia. I'm curious to know when you receive yours, it's coming in a big 2' tube, well sealed.
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Rob, there's no deadline on either yours or Vladimir's project. I imagine there might be one for your telescope. I'm fascinated by that. Hubble has given us incredibly detailed images which give us a greater understanding of how unbelievably vast our Universe truly is. Meanwhile from what I read recently, the new telescope which appears to be 5x larger than Hubble will blow us all away.
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Vladimir, revised Wheelhouse attached. Besides raising window line to match top of the door, the ventilation structure has also been revised, primarily to reflect the image of Glory's Stern in Alaska. The next step is to complete the rear of this same structure.
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Rob, I'm honored that you appreciate my input so much. It helps me to stay inspired knowing the work I'm doing is making a difference for you guys.
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Vladimir, these pics are just beautiful. Your new posts look so much slimmer and more accurate. You did an amazing job on the Stern lettering too. It's just so exciting seeing "GLORY of the SEAS" literally coming to life the way you and Rob are recreating her!
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Vladimir, I'm working on the correction now. Basically it looks like everything will shift up about the same with the end result being the lower section being a little taller than the upper one.
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George K In case you can't see the additional close ups of the painting I described, here's a section and edited to focus on the Rear House. It appears that there's not two but one single door with two arched windows on either side, separated by ornate panelling. In addition there appears to be some gingerbread work that surrounds the entire lower level of the upper roofline. There's a wealth of modeling information. For instance, you can also see there's some neat panelling along the upper level of the bulwarks too.
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Vladimir, I noticed a mistake I made when sketching the upper line of the window and door. Instead of lining up with the window in the door, it actually aligns with the top of the door instead. This can be clearly observed by looking at the Port side of the extended Helm House in the Alaskan towing scene.
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Vladimir, that will be very interesting to see how she comes out!
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George K, from the Buttersworth "Flying Fish" oil, the Rear Carriage House looks very similar to Glory's with a couple differences, there are two not four windows and while Glory had two seperate doors, "Flying Fish" appears to have two centrally mounted doors. The windows are shaped practically the same as Glory's. The front fascia elaborately decorated and flush with the poop deck. The Overhang is probably 3' and supported by two elaborately carved brackets. For some reason, instead of having a complete turned rail surrounding the Carriage House deck, there's a short iron rail which appears to be painted yellow. The rest of the house sides would have carved embellishments in between the windows which would most likely have been square. We also have undeniable proof that the Rear of this House was subtly narrowed compared to the front.
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Vladimir, I showed your front fascia to Peggy, my wife. Her response? "Oh that's gorgeous!"
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Vladimir I've always suspected that the forecastle was sunken down in order to accomodate the sailors berthed there. It's vague but some of the earliest descriptions seem to imply that. If that's the case, then nothing has to be changed.
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George K, now knowing how elaborately embellished "GLORY of the SEAS" front fascia is, my conclusion is this version is too simplistic. To check my suspicions I went back and took a closer look at the Vallejo Gallery's "Buttersworth" 'Flying Fish' oil painting. Not surprisingly the front fascia is much closer to Glory. When you consider that this spectacular work was commissioned by the owners, to celebrate her victory in the Great Deep Sea Derby, I would rely more on those images for accuracy.
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George K, details on your rudder look beautiful. As you mentioned, the gap between the stern post and rudder is more than ultimately desirable. You may want to ask Rob Wiederrich what approach he uses when he attaches his rudders. He's very inventive and may have a solution that you might like.
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Vladimir thanks for your generous compliment. To answer your question about the door, it's for entrance to the rear enclosed area, which is a 12' square area. The "open" front section which originally housed the ship's wheel and provided shelter to the helmsman had no door to enter the rear section. As I discussed with Rob about the Wheelhouse extension, more doors had to be included or there would have been no way to enter the new extended section either. In regards to the ornate paneling, it's a very consistent theme throughout the vessel. The clear image of Glory on a towline bound for Alaska again reveals this ornamentation was on all sides of her Wheelhouse and in fact was continued on the extension as well. Finally, raised panelling is apparently continued on all sides of the Rear Carriage House as well. By closely examining the above rear scene where Glory's docked, again in Alaska, just below the turned rail and next to the ladder you can see another lovely example of Glory's raised panelling on the corner. How you can model this will be a challenge, perhaps gluing very thin rope in the patterns illustrated & then lightly painting over it might work. All I can say is it definitely was there.
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Vladimir here's my best interpretation of Glory's original Wheelhouse configuration. What I thought was originally 10' wide x 12' long turns out to be 15' square. All elements for the rear repeat themselves on the sides. I've included a window for the door since one of the photos seems to support it. The small vent house on top appears to be 7' wide × 8' long. The lower section might be level, the front face is treated just like Venetian Blinds only smaller with a 3' higher center and 2' outer ends.
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Vladimir, I thought I recognized it! This was what's on the Stern in the Towing to Alaska scene. I just switched the city to Boston, her original port of hail. I'm still working on the carving over her name. At this point it's too elaborate, so I gotta tone it down a bit. Meanwhile, I'm almost done the 15' Wheelhouse side. I'm just trying to accurately determine the exact dimensions and placement of the little vent housing atop the roof. So far 7' wide seems to be most accurate, possibly 8' long. The front is divided 2' ends with 3' center.
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Vladimir that's just beautiful! I'm working on the elaborate flowery embellishment carvings which would have originally run above her name. The challenge is to capture the spirit of the lovely work and echo that on the Cutwater arch while at the same time not overwhelming the proud name & city of location she originally hailed from.
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