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For modeling purposes, I estimate this structure to be 6' wide by either 6' or 8' long. The front would be 3-4' elevated in the center with 2 1-1 & 1/2' outside areas. The rear looks to be 1' high, so the front may be 1 & 1/2 high on the outside and 2' high in the center. Rough estimates based on visual observations. I'll sketch an idea of what we're discussing. -
Rob, You may be right that this interesting structure is for ventilation. Post #1747 also reveals a double level to the front profile that I never noticed before. It's very dark but I swear I can see closed louvers in shadows. They seem to be separated by verticle columns to which they're mounted. Considering in the original configuration, the helmsman and ship's wheel were both in front of the house and just protected by a 2-3' wall, having 4 windows for a relatively small open structure would provide plenty of light. So I'm thinking more like you that this little addition is most likely ventilation.
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Rob, isn't it more likely this is some form of a skylight? After all, in the rain, vents would let in water to an otherwise enclosed room. A small room that already had 2 doors and 4 windows for ventilation already. My guess is a skylight with a louvered front and cantilevered roof to allow water to flow backwards to a larger roof below.
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Rob, my pleasure. Anyway I can be of service to you Master Modelers, I'm there for you.
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Vladimir that is stunning! Congratulations. I'm currently working on the rear Wheelhouse. I've almost completed the rear face and have a good amount of the side done too. Pics will follow.
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Beautiful craftsmanship Rob, simply beautiful
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Rob, after you told me about the Glory under Sail image, it dawned on me that unless they added an internal door to the front of the original Wheelhouse, there would be no possible entrance into the new expanded Helm House. It made more sense to design in two new doors and additional windows for better traffic flow. What I still marvel at is even original style fancy molding was included so that the extension was seamlessly added.
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Hi Arina, thanks for setting the record straight about your dad's relationship to the Nautical Research Society. While I overshot by thinking he was at one time President it's a relief to know I hit the mark on him being a past editor of their Journal. The point I was making to Rob is that your dad has the right connections to get another article on Glory published, should he see the value in such an endeavor. Again, thanks for weighing in.
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While it's barely visible, I concede your point. I've also written to Michael to clear up this issue. What continues to baffle me is the lack of visible hinges. As soon as Mike responds, I will let you know. He also has a few more images of the Rear and Front Houses which I asked him to share with us.
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Rob, I'd say this is definitive. When the ship's Helm House was extended, there was two doors and three windows per side and it appears two fore and aft. You can also see that the molding pattern has been maintained consistently in order to keep the appearance that she was originally built that way. Very impressive well thought out work.
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Rob, I took a much closer look at both Stern pics of the extended Helm House. The Alaskan towing scene does show a second door which is sculpted very similar to the rest of the house, as well as the outline of a third window. Ironically the smaller scene of Glory beached shows a reflection of a third window. Once you know what to look for it's clearly obvious. There obviously was a lot of considerable thought given to make this addition look like it was actually part of the original design.
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Rob, I haven't had a chance yet to look for that particular image. If you want to post that, it might be easier. I'm going to be more occupied with annual insurance training requirements for a while. I believe you and as I said earlier today, since the original Helm House didn't have an internal front door, when the Captain closed it off to do the extension, if he didn't add doors, there would have been no entrance. So I totally accept the double doors now. I'll also take a closer look at Mike's Appendix B from "Clipper Ship Captain" to see how he illustrated the extension.
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Vladimir your deck work is simply beautiful. Your family must be amazed at the progress you've made on this project. I love the overhead view of your model, the hull form is just lovely and looks even more impressive with decks "all buttoned up." FYI I have great news about your intricately inlaid Carriage House front fascia! As it turns out, in his most recent email Michael Mjelde let me know that this beautifully molded front piece wasn't always painted, that in fact originally this was left natural varnished wood!
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Rob, I'm familiar with the scene you mention. Glory's sailing with a small amount of "patched and patched sails. It also occurs to me that, since the original face of the Wheelhouse had no front door, when an addition was made, new entrances would also have to be provided. So it makes perfect sense now that an additional door on each side would have been added.
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Rob, since I've actually held round glass knobs and slid enormous, heavy, engraved oak doors, tried to swing them on hinges only to realize they were hanging sliders, it's no big deal to me. If you think about it, having knobs on sliding doors makes sense as it would give sailors something to grab in the dark on night. Trying to find an indented slot instead would be more difficult. Where my reconstruction differs from Mike's is that what he illustrated as tall narrow pillars are actually recessed elements across the entire facade, of that I'm sure.
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Another observation. Mike shows doors on hinges. The photo appears to show sliding doors. Where he illustrates apparently outward projecting slim balustrades in reality are insets instead, again verified by the photos. That's another area where my illustration differs from Mike's. In this case, since these insets can clearly be seen by cast shadows, I feel confident that they are correct. Insets allow for sliding doors while balustrades, even thin ones don't.
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Vladimir, as promised here's Michael Mjelde's 1978 reproduction of the front facia of Glory's Carriage House. I asked him to supply any photos he had to determine this design and will let you know what, if anything he sends me. As I mentioned the area he completes up by the roof was in complete shadow so I couldn't see such details. I also did my best estimate for the outermost wall sections but forgot about the fancy scrollwork endpiece. The complex molding work I illustrated is still definitely accurate.
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Rob, in the top scene close up with men on deck on the Port side, I see an open doorway and closer to the Stern a window. From a design viewpoint it wouldn't make sense to two doors so close together for a simple Wheelhouse. It appears that when they extended this structure they added another window in front of the door, which looks nicely balanced in the last picture. Another bonus of the Alaskan towing scene is that if you look closely you can really make out the complex molding on the rear of the Wheelhouse.
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Vladimir, I really hate to say this because you're doing such a beautiful job recreating my drawing but you might was to pause on this section. Mike just shared his front fascia reconstruction and it differs from mine in the interpretation of the area in the dark that I couldn't see. His drawing also includes an area I missed, which is the end piece for the fancy scrollwork on each end. As soon as I get a chance, I'll take a pic of the pdf file and share it with you.
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Vladimir I followed your instructions and it worked! I now get your progress notifications. Thanks!
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Rob, I misspoke. I meant to say that I count 4 spaces, 2 on each side of the rear of the Helm House. There's a life saving ring mounted on the central stanchion. To create 4 spaces requires 5 stanchions, not 4. Still, that would result in a 12' wide House (2' wider than I first thought). Another way to look at it is do you have enough room to mount ladders and also position 2 Carriage House stanchions on each side? If you look carefully at the Port side you can clearly see the elements I'm describing. Another interesting feature that shows up is a small detail of molding on the rear of the Carriage House. Details which I mistakenly omitted on my side drawing. From your photos it just doesn't look like there's enough room to fit ladders and 2 Carriage House stanchions on each side. If you agree the Helm House is 12' it would be 1 & 1/2" wide. Again, it's your model, do as you see fit, I'm just giving you another set of eyes.
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Vladimir, I have a couple helpful hints about your Glory Bow. There needs to be a thin rope line at the base of the carved arch decoration on the Cutwater. You don't need to replicate rope winding, it's too tiny to see but if you look closely at the Port side image of Glory's Figurehead, the rope winding is clearly visible. At her launch, this was definitely gold leaf embossed too, as the 1869 Glory fitting out scene confirms. I see you made the bottom molding of her Naval Hood into a triple one. Great work. Now the upper molding should actually be doubled not tripled, which can be clearly viewed in the 1911 Starboard close up of Glory's Bow and Figurehead. Probably only niggling detail observers like myself will notice such a detail. Finally the oak leaf clusters which are on each end of Glory's name board were also originally gold leaf embossed, which can also be seen in the highly reflective nature of these elements in the 1869 fitting out scene. You're doing excellent high quality work which is reflective in how much your Hull continuously matches scenes of the full sized vessel.
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Rob, is this front fascia sketch by Mike the same one publicized in his second book or a more detailed one? If it's a more detailed one, please share it. I'd love to see how our two interpretations compare. I utilized his Carriage House layout precisely to model door and window placement for front and sides, measuring and replicating those dimensions exactly. His front sketch in Appendix B is just too small to see much details. So I relied heavily on the two pictures of the front fascia instead. By the way, I left you a little "bad news" about the width of your Helm. House. I hope it's helpful.
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