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Thanks Henry. No. I rigged 1040 the way you guys advised a ways back in the blog. How about line #1114? It is the line that goes from the bottom corner of the sail. Heller has a block at the bottom of the flagpole that a tackle reeves through. The more I look at it the more I wonder.
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I have one line left I am curious about. In the photos I attached there is line #1191. In the instructions it goes from the mizzenmast down to the bottom of a the flag pole. It looks like a stay of some sort. Not sure if standing rigging or running rigging, or a complete Hellerism! Any ideas?
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Henry I expect you are referring to the slack bowlines on the fore and main sail. I tried painting them with diluted white and hung a weight on them as they dried. Still when I removed the weights I got some kinks. May try giving multiple coats to see how that does.
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Thank you so much Ian. It definitely has been a joy building it. Are you freezing up where you live? We are in single digits here.
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Unless you guys advise me otherwise (and please do if you recognize something wrong) the rigging of the sails for the fore and mast is complete except for trimming at the belay points and adding rope coils. This includes all the clew lines, buntlines, taut and loose bowlines, reef tackles, sheets, and tacks. I am pleased with how it is coming so far.
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Henry yesterday evening when I was sitting in a pew at our weekend church service, and listening to a long homily, my mind began drifting back to my ship. Probably not where my mind should have been 😉. I was thinking about how to solve my reef tackle hauling end issue. Either our previous discussion was in my subconscious or you were sending me telepathic answers. 😀 Your explanation above is exactly what I decided to do. Heller has the hauling end of the tackle go diagonally from the block on the end of the yard down to the deck belay point. I decided I would tie another block to the yard inboard almost to the mast and then run the hauling end along the yard inboard to that block and then down to the belay point. I believe we have opened a new method of communication!
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Ok Henry what do you think? I went with the two holes and tied the leads to the bulkhead rail. Second question for you and my other MSW friends. I believe we kicked this around a ways back. The fore and main course sails have reef tackles according to the Heller instructions. I have added them in accordance with the instructions. The previous debate was do the leads come down to on the fore side or aft side of the sail? I think I understand Anderstand to state they are on the aft side. Which was/is my plan. My head scratching comes with the folded up edge. Based on the way the sail folded along with its rigging, the lead falls inside the fold. Which makes me wonder when a sail was furled did the lead get tangled up in the folds?
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Thanks Henry. I believe I got this now. Hopefully. I will go with two holes drilled in the knee for the tacks and have the bowlines hang loose. You have been a tremendous help.
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Also, the bow lines would be slacked and as their cringles reached the yard they would have been loosed or un-toggled from the sail. Also Henry would you care to elaborate a bit more on the bowlines connected to your he course sails that have folded back. Should I just remove them or have them drape loosely toward their belay point?
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Yes Henry. That is my line number as well. I will see if I understand what you say to do. When you say “they cross over to the opposite side through a hole in a the stem” am I correct to to understand they go forward to a hole in the knee where Heller shows, then they both pass through the same hole to the opposite side and then up to the beakhead??
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I do have one rigging question I can’t seem to determine an exact answer too. Reading through Anderson’s book has me scratching my head. What do I do with the lead end of the fore sail tack? If I understand the Heller instructions I am to attach it to the clew on one side of the sail, them pass it through a hole in the knee at the bow, and then back up to the clew on the other side. Or simply tie the lead end to eyebolts in the knee. Do either of these seem correct?
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After several redo’s of the fore course sail appearance and a battle with reef line “cat whiskers”, the fore mast to include its sails is complete. Will still need to do a bit of line trim and add all the coils at the belay pins at some point.
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Henry and Veszett I believe I have tamed those aggravating “cat whiskers”. A couple photos to follow as soon as I get them all tamed!
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Thanks Veszett. I plan to tackle those aggravating little f’ers today 😬.
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Yeah Henry those reef point threads have come close to being the end of me! Unfortunately I used a thread that has some natural stiffness to it causing them to not want to lay flat. On one of the sails I used a cloth adhesive on the tip of each one and placed a metal ruler across all the points on one reef line to hold them down while the glue dried. When I lifted the ruler off the next day I had an ugly rust stain all across the sail 😞. Had to put a stain blocker on the sail and then repaint it. Will come up with a workable solution by the time I complete this build, even if it is the end of me 😊
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Gentlemen with a few adjustments this is what I have settled on. Just partially hauling in the clew lines and buntlines on the fore and main course sail to have the sails hang in the buntlines just a bit above the deck.
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That is my hope Henry. As my discussion went several pages back, this was not my original plan or goal for the ship. I had the idea of doing a partial furl of the fore and main course sail to fully expose the deck area. As Marc observed the weight of the cloth I used for the sails presented a much heavier appearance than I expected. I was iffy on my opinion of the final result. Your comment that it was a good representation was appreciated and maybe I acted too hasty in taking them down. I think this representation serves my purpose of exposing the deck with out the sail appearing to bulky. Still thinking about if I should pull up the fore course as well or have it fully set.
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Oh no Henry! You think it was a good representation of a sail “hanging in it’s gear”. Marc thought they would look better set so I took the rigging down and spritzed with water to soften the glue. Now I am working toward a compromise like Ian’s photo. I pulled up the clewlines on the main sail to fold back the clew corner and left the center of the sail full length. I have rerigged it but not exactly sure if I just leave the bowlines hang slack. Still debating the fore course. Right now I have it fully set but not rigged.
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Could I get by pulling up the fore course similarly? I am actually, as you probably expect, just trying to expose the deck area for viewing.
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Marc that is something I am for sure struggling with right now. Have to come up with an acceptable solution that will not require me to fully unrig those two sails, take them off the yards, and make new ones. After I put them up I saturated them diluted white glue to hold their shape. I may attempt to spritz them with water to soften the glue and attempt a better minimal pull up that is not so dramatic. I am still confused how the buntlines and clewlines work in random. The clewlines pull the sail up toward the mast on the aft side of the sail while the buntlines pull the sail up on the fore side. I can’t figure out how that is possible. I may try to shape something like this photo that Ian suggested. In this arrangement are the buntlines and leach lines just loose?
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But then Henry how does that work with the clew line pulling up the corners on the aft side of the sail? I have my fore and main course sail pulled up just a little but I have them curled up to the aft. This may be wrong.
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Gentlemen if a sail is partially pulled up, that would include tightening the bunt lines a bit, would the pulled up lower portion of the sail most often be to the fore side of the sail or would it sometimes be to the aft side of the sail? With the bunt line rigged on the fore side of the sail, pulling on it pulls the sail up on the fore side b
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